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48 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

I'm now in the mindset of saying okay, I'm happy to have restrictions until the end of March IF that's then it. No more tiers, no more bubbles, no more anti-social distancing, no more mandatory masks and no more 24/7 news coverage of COVID. As a country we NEED the promise that things will get back to the old normal. And soon. 

No chance of that happening mate. I reckon at some point in May, as we should have vaccinated about half the population by then.

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1 minute ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

There had been 825 Coronavirus deaths for people aged 44 years and under up until 1st January 2021.

 

Hospitals are saying that they are treating many more under 50s and under 40s than before.

These people are still taking up hospital beds which is leading to increased waiting times for other treatments. Have yet to hear the NHS saying it'll be fine when the over 65s have been vaccinated. There's a long way to go yet.

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2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

No chance of that happening mate. I reckon at some point in May, as we should have vaccinated about half the population by then.

They will only even get close to that by only giving the first vaccination and waiting another 12 weeks for the second. Nobody even knows if you can leave it as long as 12 weeks without cover from the first injection being compromised.

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27 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

You really are something else

Another 1200 plus deaths in 24 hours 

And we’ve ‘become obsessed’

Thank God we don’t all think like you do.

 

There is data to show that the number of currently recorded cases of flu is barely noticeable, if at all, current virus being the dominant virus.  I would post it, but I can't be bothered because someone on here will find fault with it.  The current season is no worse than the 2018 season numbers wise but the media weren't obsessed back then.  I'll stop there because someone will find fault with that sentence also, but it is true.

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3 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Hospitals are saying that they are treating many more under 50s and under 40s than before.

These people are still taking up hospital beds which is leading to increased waiting times for other treatments. Have yet to hear the NHS saying it'll be fine when the over 65s have been vaccinated. There's a long way to go yet.

Average age of patients in ICUs in higher now than it was during the first lockdown last year.

 

1 minute ago, hackneyfox said:

They will only even get close to that by only giving the first vaccination and waiting another 12 weeks for the second. Nobody even knows if you can leave it as long as 12 weeks without cover from the first injection being compromised.

I honestly think we'll be doing a silly number of vaccinations by March, like 750k a day or so if needed, hopefully anyway.

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7 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

There is data to show that the number of currently recorded cases of flu is barely noticeable, if at all, current virus being the dominant virus.  I would post it, but I can't be bothered because someone on here will find fault with it.  The current season is no worse than the 2018 season numbers wise but the media weren't obsessed back then.  I'll stop there because someone will find fault with that sentence also, but it is true.

There is a rise in excess deaths, I don't think that can be argued. And NHS is clearly at breaking point, though had we have funded the NHS effectively it wouldn't be crumbling quite to this extent.

 

The media is definitely obsessed, though. And will be until the next major news series breaks. We need another Brexit! Never thought I'd say that.

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Large crowds will be a way away, certainly full crowds. But hopefully by April/May we will be able to do most of the things we were able to do during the past summer. Social distancing doesn't bother me too much, neither does mask wearing within reason, expanding rule of 6 to maybe 10, most things open and a bit of outside freedom. Then hopefully by next winter vast majority have been vaccinated and there is no real impact.

 

Eventually they will stop testing in the community and we'll only go off hospital admissions.

 

 

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Whitty "I'm afraid in the next week we do anticipate the number of people in the NHS and the number of deaths will continue to rise as the effects of what everyone has done take a while to feed through".

 

:nigel: :schlupp: I'm sorry?

 

 

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Just now, Matt said:

Whitty "I'm afraid in the next week we do anticipate the number of people in the NHS and the number of deaths will continue to rise as the effects of what everyone has done take a while to feed through".

 

:nigel: I'm sorry?

 

 

You especially. Not treating this like a lockdown. You're to blame. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

There is a rise in excess deaths, I don't think that can be argued. And NHS is clearly at breaking point, though had we have funded the NHS effectively it wouldn't be crumbling quite to this extent.

 

The media is definitely obsessed, though. And will be until the next major news series breaks. We need another Brexit! Never thought I'd say that.

There is some more data, on hospitals, which goes a long way to pointing out why the current problems exist.  For starters, we were 40k short of the number of nurses required before all of this started and now we've got many off isolating, upwards of 30% of the workforce according to data I've seen.  Could be false though, but so was 500k and 4k a day in mid October.  Should have properly planned throughout the summer what to do in the winter resurgence which was always going to happen.  I'll stop there...

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49 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Do you think we should continue to social distance forever? Even after we've all been vaccinated?

To avoid smelly people, Mos def 

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33 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

No chance of that happening mate. I reckon at some point in May, as we should have vaccinated about half the population by then.

**** that. Once we’ve vaccinated those at risk we should be back to normal.  If people want to stay home then it’s their choice.

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11 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

There is some more data, on hospitals, which goes a long way to pointing out why the current problems exist.  For starters, we were 40k short of the number of nurses required before all of this started and now we've got many off isolating, upwards of 30% of the workforce according to data I've seen.  Could be false though, but so was 500k and 4k a day in mid October.  Should have properly planned throughout the summer what to do in the winter resurgence which was always going to happen.  I'll stop there...

It’s hard to recruit nurses in a pandemic, and it tends to take a few years to train them.

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6 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

Govt also needs to make it a more attractive career to go into, make sure staff are looked after and pay bigger salaries.


Max salary for a nurse with no extra responsibility or specialism is 31k despite being a degree level job nowadays.

 

Teachers can get up to 42 k without responsibilities and Police officers 41k

 

It’s pretty obvious why theirs a shortage 

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53 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Hospitals are saying that they are treating many more under 50s and under 40s than before.

These people are still taking up hospital beds which is leading to increased waiting times for other treatments. Have yet to hear the NHS saying it'll be fine when the over 65s have been vaccinated. There's a long way to go yet.

According to the official figures, in April-May, 35.4% of people admitted to hospital with cornavirus were aged 18-64.  In December-January, 39.0%.

 

My guess for the increase would be because younger people are not locking down as thoroughly as they did first time round; older people still are.

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5 minutes ago, MattFox said:


Max salary for a nurse with no extra responsibility or specialism is 31k despite being a degree level job nowadays.

 

Teachers can get up to 42 k without responsibilities and Police officers 41k

 

It’s pretty obvious why theirs a shortage 

huh?

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47 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

There is data to show that the number of currently recorded cases of flu is barely noticeable, if at all, current virus being the dominant virus.  I would post it, but I can't be bothered because someone on here will find fault with it.  The current season is no worse than the 2018 season numbers wise but the media weren't obsessed back then.  I'll stop there because someone will find fault with that sentence also, but it is true.

At my place of work there are 3 guys in one department that who always have a cold or something and usually at least one of them is off per month. Over the last year, nothing, not one sniffle, i actually made the point that at least the rona seems to have cured our sick note problem. 

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3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

At my place of work there are 3 guys in one department that who always have a cold or something and usually at least one of them is off per month. Over the last year, nothing, not one sniffle, i actually made the point that at least the rona seems to have cured our sick note problem. 

It's the masks!  :ph34r:

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54 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

There is data to show that the number of currently recorded cases of flu is barely noticeable, if at all, current virus being the dominant virus.  I would post it, but I can't be bothered because someone on here will find fault with it.  The current season is no worse than the 2018 season numbers wise but the media weren't obsessed back then.  I'll stop there because someone will find fault with that sentence also, but it is true.

'Well here's a thought. Instead of cherry picked confirmation bias, horseshit from Mike Yeadon and dangerous opinion pieces from the ironically titled 'Critic" how about some objective data some independently verifiable facts and some actual science? - then I wouldn't have to. 

 

 

36 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 I'll stop there...

Please do. 

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1 minute ago, Line-X said:

'Well here's a thought. Instead of cherry picked confirmation bias, horseshit from Mike Yeadon and dangerous opinion pieces from the ironically titled 'Critic" how about some objective data some independently verifiable facts and some actual science? - then I wouldn't have to. 

 

 

Please do. 

Then please enlighten us all with your reliable data sources.

 

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30 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

**** that. Once we’ve vaccinated those at risk we should be back to normal.  If people want to stay home then it’s their choice.

"Normal"....will be the Stamp ,Qualifying our  Big failure..!!!

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2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

It's the masks!  :ph34r:

Yes, which is a consequence of the rona, although i'm not sure how those coppers who claimed they were spat on caught it, surely they were wearing masks. 

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