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My best mates dad recently passed away. He suffered from dementia and was rushed to hospital and died a few hours later. His covid test was negitive so was diagnosed with pneumonia which is a common killer in dementia sufferers. 

 

Even though the covid test was negitive, the death certificate stated the cause of death was covid 19. My mate has been given no reason or explanation why this was the case and plans to fight it.

 

Now they are both conditions that effect the lungs but this is something that's happened (I've seen the death certificate) and appears to be completely wrong from the drs in question

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3 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

My best mates dad recently passed away. He suffered from dementia and was rushed to hospital and died a few hours later. His covid test was negitive so was diagnosed with pneumonia which is a common killer in dementia sufferers. 

 

Even though the covid test was negitive, the death certificate stated the cause of death was covid 19. My mate has been given no reason or explanation why this was the case and plans to fight it.

 

Now they are both conditions that effect the lungs but this is something that's happened (I've seen the death certificate) and appears to be completely wrong from the drs in question

No one seems to be dying of flu or pneumonia these days, the two things which usually push hundreds of the thousands of ill people over the edge every year. I suspect things are setup to report Covid so covid reports is what they get.  This is why only excess deaths vs the 5 year average are really a useful measure, along with numbers in hospital etc.

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6 hours ago, Col city fan said:

We now have the highest number of Covid related deaths, per capita, in the world

And are in the top 5 for cumulative deaths in the world

A very very sad set of stats

In the current week, not overall.

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5 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

My best mates dad recently passed away. He suffered from dementia and was rushed to hospital and died a few hours later. His covid test was negitive so was diagnosed with pneumonia which is a common killer in dementia sufferers. 

 

Even though the covid test was negitive, the death certificate stated the cause of death was covid 19. My mate has been given no reason or explanation why this was the case and plans to fight it.

 

Now they are both conditions that effect the lungs but this is something that's happened (I've seen the death certificate) and appears to be completely wrong from the drs in question

 

Purely out of curiosity, why? Does it really matter?

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3 hours ago, Izzy said:

I still don't get this. Surely you either die from Covid or you don't? (or maybe it's not that straight forward :dunno:)

 

I mean surely if you get tested positive for Covid one day and get ran over and killed by a bus the next, it's not counted as a Covid death?

It absolutely is, although obviously that would be a tiny tiny number.  What this confuses is those who would have died of pneumonia etc in that period anyway, but it happened to be Covid that pushed them over the edge.

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21 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Just don’t think people who live in glass houses should throw stones

If you’ve, as much as you can, kept yourself safe, kept others safe, stuck at least mainly within the rules etc etc then you’ve got an argument to make. If you haven’t, you’ve not helped yourself or others and are equally as culpable as the government, I’d argue more so personally. What this pandemic has shown me are a few things. That some people are more daft and selfish than I thought they were, that people don’t take self responsibility anywhere near as seriously as they should and that they blame game’ is alive and well in the UK

There are some who have been amazing throughout.. the frontline NHS, the care workers, that old geezer who did all those laps on his Zimmer frame. There have unfortunately also been those who haven’t changed their behaviour and mindsets at all. That’ll also be something I’ll not forget going forward 

The vast majority of people have been obeying the rules. Whilst there are undoubtedly some idiots who haven't these are the ones the media will pick up. Depsite your impeccable behaviour I'm afraid Col city fan stays inside doesn't make great reading and isn't newsworthy.

The Government have serious questions to answer and I hope these will be addressed when this is over in a proper reviews. Right now though they finally seem to be getting their act together and the sheer hard work of those administering the vaccines is to be applauded.

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3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

It absolutely is, although obviously that would be a tiny tiny number.  What this confuses is those who would have died of pneumonia etc in that period anyway, but it happened to be Covid that pushed them over the edge.

 

Someone hit by a bus would not be recorded as a Covid death. That would be ludicrous.

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1 minute ago, reynard said:

The vast majority of people have been obeying the rules. Whilst there are undoubtedly some idiots who haven't these are the ones the media will pick up. Depsite your impeccable behaviour I'm afraid Col city fan stays inside doesn't make great reading and isn't newsworthy.

The Government have serious questions to answer and I hope these will be addressed when this is over in a proper reviews. Right now though they finally seem to be getting their act together and the sheer hard work of those administering the vaccines is to be applauded.

The people have done everything they have been asked to do, and any suggestion that a lack of following the rules had been at fault is utter nonsense.  The government are fully 100% accountable and should be held to that.  We will judge them once this is over, and see how we performed.  So far it looks like a pretty poor outcome overall.

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1 minute ago, ealingfox said:

 

Someone hit by a bus would not be recorded as a Covid death. That would be ludicrous.

They literally take a list of deaths, and compare that to the list of positive tests, and if they match that is counted.  They don't have time or ability to start delving into whether Covid was the primary cause or not.

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2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

They literally take a list of deaths, and compare that to the list of positive tests, and if they match that is counted.  They don't have time or ability to start delving into whether Covid was the primary cause or not.

 

Who is they? 

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24 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

My best mates dad recently passed away. He suffered from dementia and was rushed to hospital and died a few hours later. His covid test was negitive so was diagnosed with pneumonia which is a common killer in dementia sufferers. 

 

Even though the covid test was negitive, the death certificate stated the cause of death was covid 19. My mate has been given no reason or explanation why this was the case and plans to fight it.

 

Now they are both conditions that effect the lungs but this is something that's happened (I've seen the death certificate) and appears to be completely wrong from the drs in question

My grandad died a few months ago of bacterial pneumonia. Was put down as covid as the doctor just assumed it was without a test. But he was tested in the ambulance which later came back negative,but was already down as covid. My family opted for a post mortem and got it changed.

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Excess deaths, death certificate records, and official stats based on positive tests in the last 28 days, all come up with a similar figure.  There are loads of anecdotal evidence of wrongly recorded death certificates etc., but unless they can prove that the excess deaths are substantially caused by lockdown-related rather than directly covid-related (and they can't, at least not for this year just gone) then we can take them as being basically correct. 

 

If 80,000 should be recorded as 20,000, then we would have a serious issue.  If 80,000 should be 75,000, that's just playing round the edges and is not the sort of difference that would change anything.

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Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said:

It's deaths by ANY cause up to 28 days after a positive test. This has been widely publicised for months. 

 

I know and I've addressed that issue on the previous page, which is to do with media reporting, not medical records. 

 

What I am challenging is people's assertions that doctors are going around writing Covid-19 on death certificates even where the person was in a fatal accident.

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13 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

I know and I've addressed that issue on the previous page, which is to do with media reporting, not medical records. 

 

What I am challenging is people's assertions that doctors are going around writing Covid-19 on death certificates even where the person was in a fatal accident.

Oh no of course not, but they're still counted in the numbers. 

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2 hours ago, Buce said:

 

Purely out of curiosity, why? Does it really matter?

I think it does. I would have thought that research, and consequently funding, into diseases such as dementia and cancer,  would be based on numbers, obviously the more people who have a serious disease, the more important it is to try to reduce the effects for those people or even find a cure. If the numbers of people that die from a dementia related problem go down by a large amount due to it not being on their death records, then the amount of funding will reduce. Many families who have had relatives suffer and die from serious illnesses invest both time and money in trying to help others who are connected to those illnesses, that’s why they feel it’s important to state the true nature of death on a death certificate.

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49 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I think it does. I would have thought that research, and consequently funding, into diseases such as dementia and cancer,  would be based on numbers, obviously the more people who have a serious disease, the more important it is to try to reduce the effects for those people or even find a cure. If the numbers of people that die from a dementia related problem go down by a large amount due to it not being on their death records, then the amount of funding will reduce. Many families who have had relatives suffer and die from serious illnesses invest both time and money in trying to help others who are connected to those illnesses, that’s why they feel it’s important to state the true nature of death on a death certificate.

Your best post on this thread imo

Agree 100%

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3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

The people have done everything they have been asked to do, and any suggestion that a lack of following the rules had been at fault is utter nonsense.  The government are fully 100% accountable and should be held to that.  We will judge them once this is over, and see how we performed.  So far it looks like a pretty poor outcome overall.

Tish and pish

i must have seen hundreds if not thousands of examples where I’ve seen the rules not being followed. From pubs full of punters on the East Coast, literally laughing off social distancing to chumps not wearing masks in shops

Together with governmental strange decisions this is why we have such unenviable stats around Covid.

The latest one, incidentally down my local shop  a few days ago, where a couple of young lads not only entered the shop with no masks but came in smoking joints.

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2 hours ago, RobHawk said:

That's actually a great question, and to me or you it doesn't matter. 

 

But my mate was his full time carer and he went to great lengths to protect his Dad from covid. When it all kicked off in March, he moved in with his Dad and was still living there. 

 

He has a partner and a 4 year old he didn't see face to face for months and literally prioritised his dad's welfare over everything. What has since happened is horrible for him to deal with but with the above in mind, it saying covid on the death certificate feels like a huge slap in the face for him when there is no evidence to support that being the case.

Had never thought about this. Fair point.

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