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'If one of your parents is invited for the jab, but the other one isn't, tell them to ask about them both being done at the same time.

I'm sure it will depend on who is organising the jabs, but I know four sets of over 70s where one was invited first because of health issues. In all cases they explained that they would prefer to only leave the house once rather than twice and the appointments were rearranged to allow for both doing together.'

 

From another forum, this might be relevant to a few on here:thumbup:

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8 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

'If one of your parents is invited for the jab, but the other one isn't, tell them to ask about them both being done at the same time.

I'm sure it will depend on who is organising the jabs, but I know four sets of over 70s where one was invited first because of health issues. In all cases they explained that they would prefer to only leave the house once rather than twice and the appointments were rearranged to allow for both doing together.'

 

From another forum, this might be relevant to a few on here:thumbup:

Does this not take a vaccine away from someone who is in line with the priority groups? 

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1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Does this not take a vaccine away from someone who is in line with the priority groups? 

I guess that could be the case tbh. The over 70s is still classed as a priority group though, I think they're just offering it to over 70s with worse health first before going onto the 'healthier' people. They'll only be getting the vaccine themselves within the next couple of weeks, so might just be easier to do them both at the same time, especially if you've got to organise transportation etc.

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2 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I've just booked a holiday for myself to Marbella in May. The wife won't have had her jabs by then so guess I'll have to go on my own.

 

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that's the decent thing to do mate....lol

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16 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I've just booked a holiday for myself to Marbella in March. Hopefully the wife won't have had her jabs by then so guess I'll have to go on my own.

 

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Presumably most of the others in Marbella will be vaccinated pensioners?

 

Are elite sportspeople a priority group for vaccination? If so, you and Wayne Rooney could clean up in a grab-a-granny bonanza week. :D

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Various news outlets reporting the R number will never dip below 1 even when the majority of the population is vaccinated. Not sure where to go with this but cant see anything getting any better anytime soon. Absolute guarentee in the next few weeks to see that the vaccines wont protect against a mutated strain - either Brazil, Kent or South Africa 

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9 hours ago, simFox said:

Her immune system seemed to work the first time she had it?

 

It is my undertanding you can still catch it and spread it on, vaccine just stops you from dieing. Seeing as Covid only kills 0.05% of the people it infects and the vaccine is only 90% effective. Lets hope she's not in the 10%

 

 

Can you provide your data to show that Covid kills 0.05% of people it infects?

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17 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Various news outlets reporting the R number will never dip below 1 even when the majority of the population is vaccinated. Not sure where to go with this but cant see anything getting any better anytime soon. Absolute guarentee in the next few weeks to see that the vaccines wont protect against a mutated strain - either Brazil, Kent or South Africa 

Can we have some sources please?

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2 hours ago, ealingfox said:

After March, if they are even close to hitting vaccination targets, it will be very hard to justify this awful bollocks continuing.

We're all sick of living like this, but statements such as this don't really make sense to me.

 

Not overwhelming the NHS seems to be the #1 factor behind deciding how and when to implement restrictions.

 

Assuming that remains the plan, restrictions will therefore surely only be lifted at a point where "enough" have been vaccinated, and it's efficacy proved in a big cohort of people to such a point that lifting restrictions doesn't cause such a spread of the virus to push the NHS to breaking point again. The number crunchers will come to the conclusion as to when that should be. Whether the government listen remains to be seen

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6 minutes ago, martyn said:

Can you provide your data to show that Covid kills 0.05% of people it infects?

Not sure of 0.05%??   think this is closer to the death rate Vs total population

 

data below suggests 2.6%, although we all know the Total Covid reported deaths figure is probably massively inflated as it covers any death within 28 days of a positive test.... regardless of whether Covid was the actual cause of death

 

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21 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Various news outlets reporting the R number will never dip below 1 even when the majority of the population is vaccinated. Not sure where to go with this but cant see anything getting any better anytime soon. Absolute guarentee in the next few weeks to see that the vaccines wont protect against a mutated strain - either Brazil, Kent or South Africa 

If they R number never dips below 1, then the number of cases will rise and rise and rise until we all have to catch it several times a day to keep up.

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8 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Various news outlets reporting the R number will never dip below 1 even when the majority of the population is vaccinated. Not sure where to go with this but cant see anything getting any better anytime soon. Absolute guarentee in the next few weeks to see that the vaccines wont protect against a mutated strain - either Brazil, Kent or South Africa 

The R rate will never drop below 1 technically because the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it, just stops you getting ill with it. So if the majority of us are vaccinated then the R number can be whatever, because if we aren't going to hospital and aren't dying, what's the problem? If it doesn't protect against the new mutant strains then we have a problem.

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2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

The R rate will never drop below 1 technically because the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it, just stops you getting ill with it. So if the majority of us are vaccinated then the R number can be whatever, because if we aren't going to hospital and aren't dying, what's the problem? If it doesn't protect against the new mutant strains then we have a problem.

Unless i've missed something I'm not sure we have any real understanding yet about whether being vaccinated has an effect on being able to transmit the virus. If it transpired that it did, then depending to what degree then that could potentially keep R rates lower.

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9 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

Not sure of 0.05%??   think this is closer to the death rate Vs total population

 

data below suggests 2.6%, although we all know the Total Covid reported deaths figure is probably massively inflated as it covers any death within 28 days of a positive test.... regardless of whether Covid was the actual cause of death

 

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Sorry but all the other evidence (excess deaths/Covid of deah certs) points to the oppostire beng the case,  though in the same ball park.  Also there is likley to be many more who have died from Covid beyond the 28days,  than have died as a result of a car crash for instance.  Though the number of Covid cases is well under reported as many who have had it have not taken a test as tests were either unavalible at the time,  or they have had no symptoms. 

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2 minutes ago, martyn said:

Unless i've missed something I'm not sure we have any real understanding yet about whether being vaccinated has an effect on being able to transmit the virus. If it transpired that it did, then depending to what degree then that could potentially keep R rates lower.

Yeah I was just answering the point that if the vaccine is protecting us from getting ill and dying, but we are still contracting the virus, then R rate is kind of irrelevant, as the whole point of lockdown is to lower transmissions because we're overwhelming the health service and thousands are dying. If we've eradicated the problem of deaths and hospitalisations then the R number can be 5, it doesn't matter anymore because its not killing everyone granny or your mate with diabetes.

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Just now, Facecloth said:

Yeah I was just answering the point that if the vaccine is protecting us from getting ill and dying, but we are still contracting the virus, then R rate is kind of irrelevant, as the whole point of lockdown is to lower transmissions because we're overwhelming the health service and thousands are dying. If we've eradicated the problem of deaths and hospitalisations then the R number can be 5, it doesn't matter anymore because its not killing everyone granny or your mate with diabetes.

I guess the benefit of a lower R number (if vaccines reduce transmissibility) is that it would theoretically take longer for mutations to appear which might evade it.

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2 minutes ago, martyn said:

I guess the benefit of a lower R number (if vaccines reduce transmissibility) is that it would theoretically take longer for mutations to appear which might evade it.

Thats true, I just think a headline stating "We'll never get below 1" is scaremongering. The lower the better clearly, but if we wanted that we'd have had tougher lockdowns where we could barely leave the house. It seems counter productive to the economy to protect all these people but the not allow things to start reopening.

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23 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

Not sure of 0.05%??   think this is closer to the death rate Vs total population

 

data below suggests 2.6%, although we all know the Total Covid reported deaths figure is probably massively inflated as it covers any death within 28 days of a positive test.... regardless of whether Covid was the actual cause of death

 

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It’s assumed to be around 0.5% overall, not 0.05%. In the UK many cases don’t get or haven’t been recorded, and the deaths are likely over-reported to a degree (but not a high one), but with our demographics (relative levels of age and vulnerability) the case fatality rate will likely still be a bit higher than 0.5%.

 

As for the R rate, that’s likely to come down to a question of definition. For instance, there’s a big difference between what the R rate is right now and what it would be with no restrictions and no vaccine rollout. We’d definitely need to see the context of the “R rate never lower than 1” comment to make sense of it, because it could mean a lot of things, some of which may be obvious framing.

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Spain’s Prime Minister, Pedro Sanchez, has said it is unlikely that the country will welcome international tourists until the end of the summer - speech delivered to a body ka the World Tourism Organisation last night.

 

Plan accordingly.

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