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20 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

People are at the point of thinking tier 1 and 2 are good things. That's where we are now, it's ridiculous. 

Have you been under a rock for the past year? @Finnaldo has summed it all up pretty well, we can't do anything in this current lockdown. We work, eat, sleep and repeat, with little to no let up. 

 

So forgive us for seeing an improvement in the situation as a positive. It's a step in the right direction and a step towards a normal life. Personally any positive news right now is worth smiling about. 

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1 hour ago, LVocey said:

I wasn't saying that it was going to be normal, just asking the question of what would likely to be closed.


Selfishly, I plan on getting married in June (After moving it from last year), so I'm constantly on the look out for news to imply whether that will be possible.

 

For what it's worth, I don't think "Normal" will be happening at all in 2021.

If we get every adult vaccinated by September, and we're well on course for that at the moment with the program still increasing in capacity, then there is absolutely zero reason to have any restrictions past that point. Extreme border controls for anyone coming in from countries without high levels of vaccination, but there should be no domestic restrictions in the late summer imo.

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21 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:


My point is that most of that is to follow. This isn’t like the last two lockdowns where we’re just locking down for a couple months breathing space before we’re in again, there’s an actual exit to normality following much more liberal restrictions, bar an absolutely catastrophic turn of events I can only see us loosening from here. 
 

As it stands I’ve got absolutely nothing going for me outside of full time employment, which has been home based even since pre-March lockdown. I don’t see colleagues, I don’t see friends, I can’t even get to the gym. I get up, work, eat, go for a walk, go to bed and repeat. It’s an absolutely awful existence but I’d much rather be optimistic about what is a rapidly improving situation than wallow in the present situation, because there fook all I can do about it in the end. Within three months I’ll be able to see family and friends and go to the gym again, and I’ll be at the football by next season I hope, until then I’ve not voted for this government and on the overall performance will continue not to. So there’s previous little I can do but make the most of it.

 

Whilst we’re on it, I have no extra sympathy for pensioners. They’re the primary reason we’ve locked down and I have no interest in how hard they’ve had it when the younger generations have given a year of their youth to protect them. They’re the first to be vaccinated and will be the first to be able to have any taste of freedom, they should be grateful the youth haven’t treated them reciprocally with the state of the country and world they’ve left them with. 

Fair enough, I probably made too much of a point on picking out that one section of your post.

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2 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

If we get every adult vaccinated by September, and we're well on course for that at the moment with the program still increasing in capacity, then there is absolutely zero reason to have any restrictions past that point. Extreme border controls for anyone coming in from countries without high levels of vaccination, but there should be no domestic restrictions in the late summer imo.


I’d agree with that though. 

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Just now, Nalis said:

Fair enough, I probably made too much of a point on picking out that one section of your post.


No that’s fair enough mate, as Sol said I wouldn’t be happy with restrictions after summer given the vaccination rollout continues well but until then, well it’s needs must. The quicker we’re at least on the path to normality the better and the groundwork is being built as we speak. 

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Hopefully once as Boris wants most of the vulnerable and over 50s are vaccinated the risk of people dying and having to be admitted to hospital will greatly reduce .

 

They should all have both doses by then if the vaccine is rolled out well.

 

That should be the target.

 

If we aren’t then questions will be asked about the vaccine process.

 

There might still be some restrictions in place because people can till catch it and pass the virus on to those who haven’t been vaccinated so some caution will still be in place.

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6 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

There might still be some restrictions in place because people can till catch it and pass the virus on to those who haven’t been vaccinated so some caution will still be in place.

They haven't said that.  What they have said is that they don't know whether people can pass it on after they have been vaccinated.  What they haven't said (but it's true) is that with most if not all vaccines, it is a lot harder to pass it on if it's possible at all.

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If they don't know if these vaccines transmit the virus then how have they been vigorously tested? 

 

The way Matt Hancock was 'crying' on GMB you'd have thought these vaccines were the beginning of the end

 

 :whistle:

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8 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

If they don't know if these vaccines transmit the virus then how have they been vigorously tested? 

 

The way Matt Hancock was 'crying' on GMB you'd have thought these vaccines were the beginning of the end

 

 :whistle:

Fml

 

I'd attempt to explain this to you, but you're genuinely being purposefully ignorant. 

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15 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Fml

 

I'd attempt to explain this to you, but you're genuinely being purposefully ignorant. 

I would say that anti-intellectualism is a sign of the times we're in, but it's not really - social media has just acted like an amplifier for it.

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57 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

If we get every adult vaccinated by September, and we're well on course for that at the moment with the program still increasing in capacity, then there is absolutely zero reason to have any restrictions past that point. Extreme border controls for anyone coming in from countries without high levels of vaccination, but there should be no domestic restrictions in the late summer imo.

Honestly I think we'll still have some restrictions incase of a 'new variant'.

 

A Tory minister on GMB said this morning we're suffering more than others because of an ageing population and our obesity levels, if that's the case (and I believe it is) they should surely be encouraging people to get active this year.

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Agree with much of this page...

 

...however I'm finding it really hard to be as optimistic after being battered by negativity for almost a whole year.

 

I'm half expecting a new variant to arrive from God knows where which renders the current vaccine as good as useless, and so we'll be in severe lockdowns for most of 2021.

 

I can't allow myself any optimism of normality because ,honestly, I don't think I could cope with it being crushed. 

 

Keep thinking the worst, that way anything better is a bonus. Sort of like how I think about City's games in a less serious kind of way.

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5 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Agree with much of this page...

 

...however I'm finding it really hard to be as optimistic after being battered by negativity for almost a whole year.

 

I'm half expecting a new variant to arrive from God knows where which renders the current vaccine as good as useless, and so we'll be in severe lockdowns for most of 2021.

 

I can't allow myself any optimism of normality because ,honestly, I don't think I could cope with it being crushed. 

 

Keep thinking the worst, that way anything better is a bonus. Sort of like how I think about City's games in a less serious kind of way.

I've noticed a lot of people who weren't particularly negative are being what I consider "overly" negative about everything, I think like you though, it's probably just a coping mechanism after such a draining year.

 

I'm still retaining a sense of optimism, I think I had my low point in October/November last year where I was just getting wound up and feeling like there was no end in sight. Since the good news about Vaccines in late Nov, I've been looking forward to April/May coming around. If something goes wrong this summer I think I may become irreparably broken lol

 

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18 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Agree with much of this page...

 

...however I'm finding it really hard to be as optimistic after being battered by negativity for almost a whole year.

 

I'm half expecting a new variant to arrive from God knows where which renders the current vaccine as good as useless, and so we'll be in severe lockdowns for most of 2021.

 

I can't allow myself any optimism of normality because ,honestly, I don't think I could cope with it being crushed. 

 

Keep thinking the worst, that way anything better is a bonus. Sort of like how I think about City's games in a less serious kind of way.

That's a miserable way to live. What have you got if you don't have hope? 

 

Negative thinking breeds negative outcomes.

 

In the case of COVID it's obviously out of your control, but I'm just advising that expecting the worst to manage your expectations is no way to go about life.

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2 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

Yeah but you can then let the big chains hoover it all up and then give them loads of tax breaks going forward.

I'd imagine even the big chains are in big trouble and it's only January.

 

Greene King for starters are in a mess and jobs are going every day. There might be the odd Wetherspoons but that's about it if you leave it another 6 months.

 

Not to mention restaurants...

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Mapperleyfox said:

I'd imagine even the big chains are in big trouble and it's only January.

 

Greene King for starters are in a mess and jobs are going every day. There might be the odd Wetherspoons but that's about it if you leave it another 6 months.

 

Not to mention restaurants...

 

 

I'm willing to bet you that Wetherspoons does absolutely fine out of this.

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2 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

I'm willing to bet you that Wetherspoons does absolutely fine out of this.

Better than others maybe because of cash reserves or by chucking another £50k at his Tory mates, and they might survive but they're hardly thriving are they?

 

I don't drink in Wetherspoons so i'm more concerned about independent boozers who, quite frankly, will be screwed by Easter.

 

 

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Just now, Mapperleyfox said:

Better than others maybe because of cash reserves or by chucking another £50k at his Tory mates, and they might survive but they're hardly thriving are they?

 

I don't drink in Wetherspoons so i'm more concerned about independent boozers who, quite frankly, will be screwed by Easter.

 

 

 

Yeah, me too. And yes, you're right.

 

I think we agree but I'm bearing my cynicism.

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1 minute ago, The People's Hero said:

 

Yeah, me too. And yes, you're right.

 

I think we agree but I'm bearing my cynicism.

Without a doubt, we're in agreement, it's just a bleak picture in terms of what's left come Easter or Summer.

 

And then there's the tens of thousands of unemployed to consider.

 

My village pub have told me they're living off fumes, and can't survive beyond March/April at best.

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