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20 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Well if they all say the same thing they are accused of the following the party line or being robots, if they say different things they are accused of being inconsistent and Boris can't keep his cabinet in line.  Maybe they just have different ideas on the details.  Some people will happily book and get a refund later if needed.  Some would rather book last minute, and some not go at all.

If they have different ideas on the details, how do they expect Joe Public to follow them? If any member of the public has a different idea on the details, will this wash with the police if they break the law? I very much doubt it. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Both Johnson & Hancock said their piece a few weeks back & Shapps spoke this morning, there has been a lot going on inbetween with regards to the virus & variants of not only around the world but in this country, uncertain times Stan uncertain times.

They add to the uncertainty, in my opinion. 

 

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16 minutes ago, StanSP said:

If they have different ideas on the details, how do they expect Joe Public to follow them? If any member of the public has a different idea on the details, will this wash with the police if they break the law? I very much doubt it. 

 

 

They add to the uncertainty, in my opinion. 

 

Everyone has different ideas regarding this though, don't they? I've booked a couple of holidays already, if they don't go ahead, so be it, I'll rearrange. I have friends who have done the same, and other friends who won't book anything yet.

 

I don't really see the issue? 

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58 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Johnson said last week he's hoping summer holidays will be able to be booked, while Hancock is planning a summer break in Cornwall. 

 

Shapps, this morning, says people shouldn't think about booking holidays this year, either here or abroad. 

 

 

So which is it :dunno:?

 

Why does it seem so difficult to get the same message from different people in the same government? 

At least we'll know the places to avoid. Who wants to be anywhere near Hancock?

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27 minutes ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-56008081 

 

Utterly baffling that a higher proportion of BAME people would refuse the jab when we are led to believe that south asian people in particular are more vulnerable. This presents a massive issue surely.

  

They associate it with mistrust in the government - not condoning it but they've feel like they've fvcked over by the authorities in general so its difficult to judge on that aspect as I dont spend anytime in their shoes. Saying that, there needs to be more of a push from the influencial black and south asian role models to encourage vaccine uptake in those communities.

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6 minutes ago, Dunge said:

In happier news, I see the WHO has approved the use of the Oxford/AZ vaccine for all adults including older age groups.

Here in Spain the Pfizer vaccination is being given to the older people and the AZ is only being given to the under 55's. Hopefully this news may start to speed things up a bit.

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25 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Everyone has different ideas regarding this though, don't they? I've booked a couple of holidays already, if they don't go ahead, so be it, I'll rearrange. I have friends who have done the same, and other friends who won't book anything yet.

 

I don't really see the issue? 

One minister says they're planning a summer break in Cornwall. 

 

Another minister suggests not to book holidays domestically or internationally. 

 

Do you see the contradiction? 

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1 minute ago, StanSP said:

One minister says they're planning a summer break in Cornwall. 

 

Another minister suggests not to book holidays domestically or internationally. 

 

Do you see the contradiction? 

Surely people can make up their own minds whether or not to take the risk of booking something now? Or do people want absolutely everything spelled out for them, every single day as the situation changes? What Schapps said is correct, there are a lot of things which need to change before we can travel, and obviously he doesn't know when that will be.  I know that, we all know that. I've booked holidays hoping that said things do change,  I guess Hancock is hoping for the best too. If you want to book, book. If you don't, don't. 

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5 hours ago, Line-X said:

What is irrefutable, is that there have been no known studies conducted or publications surrounding the current strain, SARS-CoV-2. Indicating that far from the suggestions of social media fantasists that it was leaked from a laboratory or more particularly, The Wuhan Institute for Virology, it was indeed a novel viral pandemic owing to zoonotic spillover. 

Huge article here:

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

 

I’ve only skimmed through some of it myself, but I’ve read other stuff, no doubt dismissed as conspiracy theory along similar lines.

 

It does seem a huge coincidence that in the very city in which SARS nCOV2 was first discovered, is China’s only level 4 bio secure laboratory, that bat virus research was being carried out in it by a scientist known as the “bat woman” who had collected samples from hundreds of bats looking for viruses, and that the lab was rumoured to be conducting “gain of function” research. Rebuttals seem to be along the lines of “there is no proof that...”  but equally they would say that wouldn’t they?

 

I’m certainly in no position to judge, and perhaps this is just coincidence, but I do think there is at least a prima facie case to answer. If it did originate from the lab I’ve little doubt that it wouldn’t have been deliberate. Rather an attempt to study an exciting field of research with good intentions in mind that then went wrong due to accidental leakage. Cockup theory of history is usually more plausible than conspiracy.

 

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24 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Surely people can make up their own minds whether or not to take the risk of booking something now? Or do people want absolutely everything spelled out for them, every single day as the situation changes? What Schapps said is correct, there are a lot of things which need to change before we can travel, and obviously he doesn't know when that will be.  I know that, we all know that. I've booked holidays hoping that said things do change,  I guess Hancock is hoping for the best too. If you want to book, book. If you don't, don't. 

It's not about being told what to do or having things spelled out or taking the risk. 

 

It's about the contrasting messages from the people in charge. 

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30 minutes ago, reynard said:

Have to say what a fantastic effort all round.

It is in isolation but is also utterly meaningless if it doesn't lead to us getting our lives back.

 

Too much fixation on the number and not the outcome.

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Just now, StanSP said:

It's not about being told what to do or having things spelled out or taking the risk. 

 

It's about the contrasting messages from the people in charge. 

But it's not really a contrasting message, is it? Shapps said he doesn't know when we will be able to travel. That's true. Hancock doesn't know either, none of us do, but like me and many others is hoping that we will be able to so has chosen to book a holiday for later in the year. Downing Street have said it's up to us to decide if we want to book or not. I genuinely don't see a contrast in any of this?

 

If it's not about being told what to do or having things spelled out for you, what is it about?

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Early on in the pandemic there was uncertainty whether Covid could be caught twice. I’m pretty sure we know it’s possible, but is there any idea how prevalent reinfection is? Is it fair to say because we didn’t have the capability to test properly early on, we probably won’t have any meaningful data on this just yet?

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4 hours ago, Nalis said:

They associate it with mistrust in the government - not condoning it but they've feel like they've fvcked over by the authorities in general so its difficult to judge on that aspect as I dont spend anytime in their shoes. Saying that, there needs to be more of a push from the influencial black and south asian role models to encourage vaccine uptake in those communities.

It's the whatsapp groups they're in. My mother is Muslim and she's in a whatsapp group with other local Muslims. The amount of anti-vax information spread on them will make you tear your hair out.

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23 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Huge article here:

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

 

I’ve only skimmed through some of it myself, but I’ve read other stuff, no doubt dismissed as conspiracy theory along similar lines.

 

It does seem a huge coincidence that in the very city in which SARS nCOV2 was first discovered, is China’s only level 4 bio secure laboratory, that bat virus research was being carried out in it by a scientist known as the “bat woman” who had collected samples from hundreds of bats looking for viruses, and that the lab was rumoured to be conducting “gain of function” research. Rebuttals seem to be along the lines of “there is no proof that...”  but equally they would say that wouldn’t they?

 

I’m certainly in no position to judge, and perhaps this is just coincidence, but I do think there is at least a prima facie case to answer. If it did originate from the lab I’ve little doubt that it wouldn’t have been deliberate. Rather an attempt to study an exciting field of research with good intentions in mind that then went wrong due to accidental leakage. Cockup theory of history is usually more plausible than conspiracy.

 

One hell of a coincidence!

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8 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Huge article here:

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

 

I’ve only skimmed through some of it myself, but I’ve read other stuff, no doubt dismissed as conspiracy theory along similar lines.

 

It does seem a huge coincidence that in the very city in which SARS nCOV2 was first discovered, is China’s only level 4 bio secure laboratory, that bat virus research was being carried out in it by a scientist known as the “bat woman” who had collected samples from hundreds of bats looking for viruses, and that the lab was rumoured to be conducting “gain of function” research. Rebuttals seem to be along the lines of “there is no proof that...”  but equally they would say that wouldn’t they?

 

I’m certainly in no position to judge, and perhaps this is just coincidence, but I do think there is at least a prima facie case to answer. If it did originate from the lab I’ve little doubt that it wouldn’t have been deliberate. Rather an attempt to study an exciting field of research with good intentions in mind that then went wrong due to accidental leakage. Cockup theory of history is usually more plausible than conspiracy.

 

Thanks for that, nothing if not an entertaining read. I find some of the anecdotal evidence, based on opinions and emails, utterly bizarre, particularly the unsubstantiated claim that; “there are indeed many unexplained features of this virus that are hard if not impossible to explain based on a completely natural origin.”. No use saying it. What are they? On the contrary, everything about this virus points to zoonotic spillover. The entire article reeks of poor journalism but cleverly crafted fiction aimed at a justifiably suspicious lay audience. 

 

To emphasise again and in short, Shi Zhengli has has consistently and extensively published the genetic sequences of isolates from the bat coronaviruses she has studied throughout and during her research. This is all on record, has been transparent and her work is comprehensively detailed in the public domain. To allege a laboratory accident would be to suggest that additional work had been conducted in secrecy, which of course there is no evidence for and would be utterly unsubstantiated.

 

Moreover, there is strong evidence to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 didn't emerge from a Wuhan wet market or even Wuhan itself. Instead, the live animal market may have merely been the site of a superspreader event. The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is most closely related to coronaviruses isolated from horseshoe bats in China. From there, it is postulated that the virus may have jumped to another animal - as I said in an earlier post, likely a pangolin -and then made the jump to humans. Wet markets, where a variety of different species of live animals are present, are the perfect environment for humans to come into contact with them. SARS, began at a similar market in 2002, after it had spread from bats to civets. The study that definitively showed the species of bat that SARS came from was published only recently - a decade and a half after the outbreak first occurred. It took that long to investigate caves and colonies, to sift through samples, and build an evidence base to demonstrate causality and demonstrate that it was this bat at this time. I'm confident that science will again find the true origin of Covid-19 and that this origin will also be natural. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, StanSP said:

It's not about being told what to do or having things spelled out or taking the risk. 

 

It's about the contrasting messages from the people in charge. 

Think you're making a bit of a mountain out a molehill. No one knows what it's gonna be like come summetime. Anyone that says different is lying. I've booked a week for the end of July, if I go, cool, if I can't go, I get my money back.

 

Who gives a monkeys.

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