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3 hours ago, Crinklyfox said:

Was there anything in the announcement regarding shielding?  Because there's a couple of million people in England who have been advised to shield up to now and opening up doesn't benefit them unless the shielding advice is similarly relaxed.

 

I had an email from Hancock after I'd had the vaccine advising me to continue to shield and only leave the house for exercise.  I didn't hear anything in the parts of the announcement repeated on the news to indicate that the shielding had been considered.

Shielding ends on 31st March for now .

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7 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Vaccinations should put an end to this for good. If it doesn't then what on earth was the point? Can't wait for the day we never have to hear of SAGE again.

 

Announcement was slightly better than the rumours last night but that wasn't an accident. They were always going to land something somewhere between what they should be (when all 50+ are vaccinated) and what the rumours were last night.

 

Feel sorry for pubs. Absolutely shafted yet again.

Same here. Also Museums and Galleries. Simply don't see why they have to wait a  whole month longer than shops when they are much safer environments due to strict online tickets for set times.

 

Generally though I think this is finally at least a decent enough plan.

Locally Leicestershire and Leicester have some of the highest current infection rates in the country. For eg that of the county is only 0.5 fewer per 100000 than the city of Birmingham. Infection levels are still very high to be considering doing much until a lot moore people are vaccinated.

I do worry about the get out clause on varients. Scientists love a good varient and it can take several weeks to assess their potential impact which could lead to perpetual lockdowns whilst these are investigated. let's hope we don't get too many more which give concern.

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2 hours ago, egg_fried_rice said:

I want things to get back to normal asap, but those of you questioning why the roadmap isn't quicker need to remember that the vaccine acts as a selection pressure on the virus meaning mutations are more likely - further exacerbated if we just let everyone mingle without restrictions immediately. If it does mutate to something the vaccines can't protect from, we're shafted.

 

Although slightly unpalatable, the slow and steady approach is the best one. Personally I can't wait for a bloody hair cut and a pint with my friends in the pub.

What’s the difference between mingling now and in May? Genuinely curious as I don’t know the answer. 
 

Surely if we’re worried about the virus mutating then restrictions should be here forever as it will mutate regardless of what we do. 

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1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

Weather warming up, virus declines, government lift restrictions with some complicated roadmap. Didn't this happen last year, are we just being lied to and the government are claiming things are getting better because of social distancing (which you would expect anyway) and the vaccine or is this just what happens naturally.  If this virus rears its ugly head come november, i think questions need to be asked about how a government can manipulate it's population and get away with it, unfortunately, who asks the questions?

 

There are plenty of people asking questions.  The problem is that these questions are only directed in the narrative of where things are going rather than looking at it from alternative points of view.  This and the fact that only the mainstream media seems to get a platform for doing so.

 

Take Peston for example, second up yesterday and his question(s) were pathetic.  I shook my head in disbelief.  It's time the govt were challenged outside of the narrative but the BBC and others seem reluctant to do so.

 

Worth mentioning the opposition to govt as well at this point.  Equally as useless at forming any argument outside of the narrative.  Starmer's position seems to be one of we'd of done the same, only quicker.  I'm disappointed in his performance also.

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Just now, Leicester_Loyal said:

What’s the difference between mingling now and in May? Genuinely curious as I don’t know the answer. 
 

Surely if we’re worried about the virus mutating then restrictions should be here forever as it will mutate regardless of what we do. 

 

Because we'll have significantly more people vaccinated by then. So as the percentage of protected people increases and likelihood of transmission decreases, it becomes safer and safer to open up, despite the higher risk of mutations - it's all about timing and is a difficult balance to strike, but I've no doubt the government want to get back to normal as soon as safely possible. I think the difficulty of striking the balance has informed the cautiousness of the roadmap which gives them some wiggle room. Probably sensible.

 

Note - I am not an epidemiologist, but I've been chatting to my sister who works on some of the covid data for Kings College. My initial reaction was that this is too slow, but she reckons this is about right - pending consistently low case rates. @Alf Bentley makes a good point about the high risk strategy of reopening schools all at once which could affect this a bit, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

It was opening the schools that caused a huge spike last time and I can see it doing the same again. 

More contact should mean more infections. I guess the interest will be in what it does to the infection levels over the next few weeks after opening. It'll be a good way to test how the vaccines are working in containing transmission.

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33 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

It was opening the schools that caused a huge spike last time and I can see it doing the same again. 

Yup, I think that there’s a real risk that we will be back to 60k cases a day by Easter.  
 

With the Kent variant cases increased 6x during December and some schools were doing some home learning in that term I believe.
 

The vaccines for over 70s should reduced total hospitalisations by about a third  ( or perhaps a little more) which obviously helps, but it all looks just a few weeks too optimistic to me (as usual for Boris).   During the run up to Easter other people in the other priority groups will start to be covered as well, which will start to help too.
 

It all depends whether the lateral flow tests can keep cases down in secondary schools.  Every household is linked to perhaps 90 others by schools ( form class and variation in classes across subjects) and no students, parents or teachers will be vaccinated yet.

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44 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

It was opening the schools that caused a huge spike last time and I can see it doing the same again. 

& then the Yang when they did close schools a week or so prior to Xmas break then stayed closed the spike kept going up even allowing for a few weeks grace period. It was more likely these new variants drove that spike not schools & now we are manging these with the vaccine rollout.

 

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1 hour ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

It was opening the schools that caused a huge spike last time and I can see it doing the same again. 

They will.

 

However, this time we've got 15m people vaccinated and with immunity, as well as people with natural immunity due to having caught the virus previously, so hopefully it'll combat it enough so it's not an issue.

 

This week has been slow on the vaccine front (both me updating the thread and supplies to the centres), but from next week it's going to ramp up apparently, we should be looking at 400k+ everyday again, probably more.

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1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

They will.

 

However, this time we've got 15m people vaccinated and with immunity, as well as people with natural immunity due to having caught the virus previously, so hopefully it'll combat it enough so it's not an issue.

 

This week has been slow on the vaccine front (both me updating the thread and supplies to the centres), but from next week it's going to ramp up apparently, we should be looking at 400k+ everyday again, probably more.

The natural immunity isn't necessarily a thing. A person I work with is currently hospitalised with their second confirmed bout. 

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2 hours ago, filbertway said:

More contact should mean more infections. I guess the interest will be in what it does to the infection levels over the next few weeks after opening. It'll be a good way to test how the vaccines are working in containing transmission.

I wonder if they are content for the virus to be spreading around on the basis that the vulnerable and over 60’s will have been vaccinated and therefore far less likely to be hospitalised.  I could be wrong but is the virus more likely to mutate if it’s not spreading easily ??? I always thought that the virus just wants to spread as much as it can and when it becomes suppressed it mutates to try and spread again ??

 

It could be argued that trying to remove the virus as much as possible at this stage could lead to a mutation that the current vaccines may not deal so well with at a time when we are still indoors 

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2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I wonder if they are content for the virus to be spreading around on the basis that the vulnerable and over 60’s will have been vaccinated and therefore far less likely to be hospitalised.  I could be wrong but is the virus more likely to mutate if it’s not spreading easily ??? I always thought that the virus just wants to spread as much as it can and when it becomes suppressed it mutates to try and spread again ??

 

It could be argued that trying to remove the virus as much as possible at this stage could lead to a mutation that the current vaccines may not deal so well with at a time when we are still indoors 

Mutations happen by accident, so the more times it replicates the more chance there is of a mutation. If one mutation happens to be more transmissable then that mutation may be able to survive and replicate more and more.

 

The virus doesn't check the government update at 4pm and decide it needs to mutate in a certain way in an effort to survive :D. It has no willingness to adapt to survive, the mutations are purely by chance and the strongest ones thrive and the weaker ones will die out. If there's more in circulation then the chances of mutations increase.

 

I've said this and I'm so sure of myself that I'm starting to doubt myself lol

 

 

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Dilemma.

 

Looking outside the window of my flat, and there is a takeaway coffee/snack business facilitating a congregation of about 12-15 people from about 5-6 households. Although yes they are outside, we are in lockdown and there is no masks or social distancing,  it looks like they are actually sharing platters of food, having a great old time, they have been there for over an hour and a half. I hate the thought of grassing but equally I am unable trade myself and when I was, I took every covid precaution and acted within the guidelines. It seems incredibly unfair and this business owner is not even being subtle about it lol, she's walking round offering samples to everyone with no hint of caution.

 

Report the incident?

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3 minutes ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

Dilemma.

 

Looking outside the window of my flat, and there is a takeaway coffee/snack business facilitating a congregation of about 12-15 people from about 5-6 households. Although yes they are outside, we are in lockdown and there is no masks or social distancing,  it looks like they are actually sharing platters of food, having a great old time, they have been there for over an hour and a half. I hate the thought of grassing but equally I am unable trade myself and when I was, I took every covid precaution and acted within the guidelines. It seems incredibly unfair and this business owner is not even being subtle about it lol, she's walking round offering samples to everyone with no hint of caution.

 

Report the incident?

 

Yes report them to Mrs Finster   

 

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9 minutes ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

Dilemma.

 

Looking outside the window of my flat, and there is a takeaway coffee/snack business facilitating a congregation of about 12-15 people from about 5-6 households. Although yes they are outside, we are in lockdown and there is no masks or social distancing,  it looks like they are actually sharing platters of food, having a great old time, they have been there for over an hour and a half. I hate the thought of grassing but equally I am unable trade myself and when I was, I took every covid precaution and acted within the guidelines. It seems incredibly unfair and this business owner is not even being subtle about it lol, she's walking round offering samples to everyone with no hint of caution.

 

Report the incident?

No, keep your nose out and do something more productive with your time. 

 

*in the nicest possible way*

 

 

 

All the best Scotland...

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May be an image of text that says "Share of the population fully vaccinated against COVID-19 Share the total population that have received all doses prescribed the vaccination protocol. This data available or countrie which eport of doses administered by first and second doses. Add country 2.5% only Our World Data 2% 1.5% Spain Italy Germany EuropeanUnion 1% France 0.5% 0% Jan 2021 United Kingdom Jan15 Source Official data collated Jan3 2021 Jan 25 CHART Feb4 Last updated 22 February, 10:20 (London time) Feb14 14 MAP Feb21,2021 TABLE SOURCES CCBY Feb21,2021 DOWNLOAD"

 

No idea how reliable this is, but it's doing the rounds on social media over here. Presumably the figure for the UK will shoot up quickly and overtake the others though, as they have vaccinated so many people with the first dose already? 

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