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Just now, Harrydc said:

Have you ever needed a vaccine to go to something as simple as a football match or a pub? 

 

What a silly comparison. 

Things change. There was a time you didn't need vaccines to go to certain countries as well.

 

Could just take the vaccine... then you would be able to do those things. Keeps us all safe 

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14 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

I honestly feel as if every day is becoming more and more pointless. 

 

I've suffered anxiety for years, although I manage and have done through this last year, but I'm reaching the end of my tether. 

 

I've been known as a 'covid sceptic' - now that's not because I want to hurt anyone, or cause any harm. I wear my mask (reluctantly) and I follow the (in my opinion) these pathetic authoritarian rules. Nothing can change my mind or opinion on what's happening. 

 

One thing I will not be doing is taking the vaccine. 

 

Never. No one can persuade me otherwise. The prospect of these 'vaccine passports' is a tough one to take. The thought that I will not be able to do the things I used to love because I wont take a vaccine. It's truly disturbing and I've had enough. 

The ‘vaccine passport’ is not reliant on a vaccine.  Are you prepared to take lateral flow tests each time you need to do something that requires a VP ??

 

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4 minutes ago, browniefox said:

So we've had just over a week of seeing people in the garden, is anyone else like me, and had enough? I've seen my family and the wife's family, I've had enough of them. You really forget how annoying people are. 

I'm gutted there's no longer a convenient excuse on the table. 

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1 minute ago, browniefox said:

So we've had just over a week of seeing people in the garden, is anyone else like me, and had enough? I've seen my family and the wife's family, I've had enough of them. You really forget how annoying people are. 

 

Word.

 

Not seeing the wife's family is the only positive thing to come out of this plague.

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15 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

It is pro choice. You can either take the vaccine or not take it. That's your choice.

 

Not taking it will have consequences. I've had numerous vaccines to go to countries over the years. That's my choice if I want to go there.

 

 

Maybe he`s done a risk assessment on himself and looked at the stats of the covid 99%+ recovery rate.  Maybe he feels the lockdown is impacting more of his wellbeing than getting covid. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, I am Rod Hull said:

Maybe he`s done a risk on himself and looked at the stats of the covid 99%+ recovery rate.  Maybe he feels the lockdown is impacting more of his wellbeing than getting covid. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you know the most likely way we'll get out of this lockdown.......vaccinations 🤯

 

So if he decided lockdown is doing more harm to him than covid might, then get the jab and get out of lockdown. Simple really.

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1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

And you know the most likely way we'll get out of this lockdown.......vaccinations 🤯

 

So if he decided lockdown is doing more harm to him than covid might, then get the jab and get out of lockdown. Simple really.

If you're naive enough to believe these vaccinations will get us out of anything then I feel for you. 

 

Just like 3 weeks to flatten the curve? 

 

Just like 5 days at Christmas? 

 

Just like sacrifice Christmas to save Easter?

 

Johnson said himself 2 vaccinated people still can't meet indoors? 

 

Vaccinated people can still 'transmit' the virus. 

 

They're purposely ripping the economy to shreds. I don't know why, but they are. If you're not even a little bit suspicious then there's no hope. 

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Just now, Harrydc said:

If you're naive enough to believe these vaccinations will get us out of anything then I feel for you. 

 

Just like 3 weeks to flatten the curve? 

 

Just like 5 days at Christmas? 

 

Just like sacrifice Christmas to save Easter?

 

Johnson said himself 2 vaccinated people still can't meet indoors? 

 

Vaccinated people can still 'transmit' the virus. 

 

They're purposely ripping the economy to shreds. I don't know why, but they are. If you're not even a little bit suspicious then there's no hope. 

Always suspicious mate.

 

Vaccinated people can still carry the virus, they just won't get as ill from it.

 

So what will get us out of this. People like you refusing to get vaccinated and want to go about potentially spreading it to other people who aren't?

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1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

Always suspicious mate.

 

Vaccinated people can still carry the virus, they just won't get as ill from it.

 

So what will get us out of this. People like you refusing to get vaccinated and want to go about potentially spreading it to other people who aren't?

You've just contradicted yourself. 

 

"vaccinated people can still carry the virus" - therefore they can still spread it?

 

Exactly the same as an unvaccinated person. They can still spread it too. 

 

You either trust the vaccines or you don't. This is my argument about vaccine passports. If you have been vaccinated then why wouldn't you want to mix with the unvaccinated?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Harrydc said:

If you're naive enough to believe these vaccinations will get us out of anything then I feel for you. 

 

Just like 3 weeks to flatten the curve? 

 

Just like 5 days at Christmas? 

 

Just like sacrifice Christmas to save Easter?

 

Johnson said himself 2 vaccinated people still can't meet indoors? 

 

Vaccinated people can still 'transmit' the virus. 

 

They're purposely ripping the economy to shreds. I don't know why, but they are. If you're not even a little bit suspicious then there's no hope. 

 

A cynic might say to distract attention from the economic fallout of Brexit.

 

I've said it before, this crisis is a godsend for the govt.

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5 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

If you're naive enough to believe these vaccinations will get us out of anything then I feel for you. 

 

Just like 3 weeks to flatten the curve? 

 

Just like 5 days at Christmas? 

 

Just like sacrifice Christmas to save Easter?

 

Johnson said himself 2 vaccinated people still can't meet indoors? 

 

Vaccinated people can still 'transmit' the virus. 

 

They're purposely ripping the economy to shreds. I don't know why, but they are. If you're not even a little bit suspicious then there's no hope. 

 

You've got to play the game mate.

 

It's one more number in the 'vaccinated column'. One less person some useless modeller will record as a likely death in a hypothetical catastrophic 3rd wave.

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1 minute ago, Harrydc said:

You've just contradicted yourself. 

 

"vaccinated people can still carry the virus" - therefore they can still spread it?

 

Exactly the same as an unvaccinated person. They can still spread it too. 

 

You either trust the vaccines or you don't. This is my argument about vaccine passports. If you have been vaccinated then why wouldn't you want to mix with the unvaccinated?

 

 

I didn't contradict myself.

 

A vaccinated person can still carry it, but if we are all vaccinated, we won't get ill from it. I wouldn't want to miss with an unvaccinated person incase I had the virus (but didn't get ill because I'm vaccinated) and made them ill, because they aren't.

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9 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

And you know the most likely way we'll get out of this lockdown.......vaccinations 🤯

 

So if he decided lockdown is doing more harm to him than covid might, then get the jab and get out of lockdown. Simple really.

Yes i can safely say this is the only way out of this. According to AstraZeneca,Pfizer, J&J and Moderna anyway :ph34r:

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1 minute ago, Soup said:

Yes i can safely say this is the only way out of this. According to AstraZeneca,Pfizer, J&J and Moderna anyway :ph34r:

It is though isn't it.

 

You either catch it early, shut all borders and get to zero covid - which is now completely unrealistic for most countries.

 

Or you just let the virus run through the community and do it's thing. Survival of the fittest etc....

 

Or you vaccinate.

 

The UK has only two of those options now.

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15 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

It is though isn't it.

 

You either catch it early, shut all borders and get to zero covid - which is now completely unrealistic for most countries.

 

Or you just let the virus run through the community and do it's thing. Survival of the fittest etc....

 

Or you vaccinate.

 

The UK has only two of those options now.

Many people say otherwise. Scientists, Doctors, Epidemiologists and all sorts of healthcare specialist's. Obviously you won't get their opinions on the BBC etc because open debate seems like witchcraft lately. 

 

I'm not saying the vaccines don't work or are unsafe but if you cannot question science then that doesn't seem right to me. One sided science is just a belief system surely?

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17 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I didn't contradict myself.

 

A vaccinated person can still carry it, but if we are all vaccinated, we won't get ill from it. I wouldn't want to miss with an unvaccinated person incase I had the virus (but didn't get ill because I'm vaccinated) and made them ill, because they aren't.

Not sure I understand what you're saying?

 

If a vaccinated or unvaccinated can spread it then what difference does it make to the third party potentially catching it?

 

If someone doesn't want the vaccine then that's their risk. The vaccine is there to protect yourself only surely?

 

This is why i don't understand the need for a vaccine passport.

 

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2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I didn't contradict myself.

 

A vaccinated person can still carry it, but if we are all vaccinated, we won't get ill from it. I wouldn't want to miss with an unvaccinated person incase I had the virus (but didn't get ill because I'm vaccinated) and made them ill, because they aren't.

How many times are we going to get vaccinated, fella?, It seems like it`s going to be ongoing with booster jabs in September projected. I`ve had covid, it did nothing, I knew it wouldn`t, because I do not suck on the medias tits, I look at facts.

 

50,000 excess Winter deaths in 2018 according to the BBC... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46399090

 

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Soup said:

Yes i can safely say this is the only way out of this. According to AstraZeneca,Pfizer, J&J and Moderna anyway :ph34r:

Well three of those are selling pretty much at cost price, only Moderna are selling to make much of a profit.

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28 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

You've just contradicted yourself. 

 

"vaccinated people can still carry the virus" - therefore they can still spread it?

 

Exactly the same as an unvaccinated person. They can still spread it too. 

 

You either trust the vaccines or you don't. This is my argument about vaccine passports. If you have been vaccinated then why wouldn't you want to mix with the unvaccinated?

 

 

Harry mate, I sympathize with you and genuinely hope things pick up for you lad. 

 

But I don't think you fully understand this vaccine. Do you wear a seatbelt in the car when you drive? You can still die with it on, and you need to to go to places like the pub, so I assume you don't? 

 

This vaccine hugely reduces the chances of you being seriously ill from this virus. Making it safer to do everything you've been wanting to all year. Genuinely have a read up on the vaccine, from peer reviewed sources. 

You're free to make any decision you want, but it helps when you can defend your opinion with facts rather than just "I don't want to".

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2 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Harry, the purpose of this vaccination programme is not to get to 'covid zero', but to tame this virus, to de-fang it, to remove its ability to cause serious disease, hospitalisation and death. Vaccines save millions of lives each year, but no vaccine offers 100% protection for all nor does it completely prevent transmission. It;s also highly likely that SARS-CoV-2 will become endemic. 

 

The objective is however, to reduce both infection and transmission in such a way that it can be managed - potentially leading to a complete lifting of restrictions and a restoration of the life that you once enjoyed...although in the short term, the continued adherence to masks and some degree of social distancing will be prudent.

 

Unfortunately, nature doesn't recognise that life, because nature is completely indifferent to mankind...which is why it is systematically "ripping the economy to shreds". For all that science and technology confers, we still remain at nature's whim...but I assure you, although it won't be eradicated, we will win this battle and prevail over this virus.

 

Not so long ago, previous generations here in the UK were decimated by smallpox and polio. You might wish to find out why that is no longer the case. 

 

 

 

As you know, smallpox was eradicated. Why are you so sure this won't be?

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9 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Well three of those are selling pretty much at cost price, only Moderna are selling to make much of a profit.

Well Facebook don't charge users anything and they aren't doing too bad. Plenty of ways to make money 

 

And to say J&J are this caring bunch trying to do good thing is laughable. Say that to the thousands of lifes they have ruied in the US. Scandalous company 

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