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A research team in Canada has looked at reasons why transmission can vary so much. They concluded that it's in part due to rotational diffusivity. Just as a spinning football is harder for a goalkeeper to catch, there is also a reduction in the tendency of a Covid-19 spike protein to get attached to a host cell if the particle has a higher rotational diffusivity. However, the picture is complicated somewhat by the number and type of spike proteins present on each particle.

https://phys.org/news/2021-04-triangular-shaped-spikes-key-coronavirus-transmission.html

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54 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Interested to see why the narrative from the government is now making vaccines sound like a small part in getting back to normal.

 

Regardless what happens, theres not a chance they'll be getting my vote in the next generals. 

 

I understand it's a fluid situation, but you cant keep making positive statements and then going back on them and shifting the goalposts.

 

This past year has definitely made me more cynical and less trusting in government. 

I think the answer is in the new variants, particularly the South African variant, for which most vaccines have limited effect. This is reason for surge testing wherever this variant is discovered.

 

You say you can't go on shifting the goal posts _ I would agree if the Sars 2 variant did not keep mutating - isn't this to blame for goalposts changing?

 

Vaccinations continue to be important because they decrease Covid circulation making it easier to keep on top of new variants - although it does seem everyone will need to be re-vaccinated in the autumn/winter.

 

The knowledge of the disease has increased so much over the past few months; it was a novel disease initially so nothing was known about it - particularly the fact it was so contagious compared to other SARS diseases. Yes, the government made many mistakes to begin with, but these have deceased as time has gone on. (the biggest of these was lack of PPE and understanding.  of the 'aerosol' transmission, which meant health professionals and other workers with direct contact to public wee particularly affected.) Having to weigh up so many variables, including cost  to economy (and the taxes we have to pay to repay borrowing)  cannot be easy. 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, oxford blue said:

I think the answer is in the new variants, particularly the South African variant, for which most vaccines have limited effect. This is reason for surge testing wherever this variant is discovered.

 

You say you can't go on shifting the goal posts _ I would agree if the Sars 2 variant did not keep mutating - isn't this to blame for goalposts changing?

 

Vaccinations continue to be important because they decrease Covid circulation making it easier to keep on top of new variants - although it does seem everyone will need to be re-vaccinated in the autumn/winter.

 

The knowledge of the disease has increased so much over the past few months; it was a novel disease initially so nothing was known about it - particularly the fact it was so contagious compared to other SARS diseases. Yes, the government made many mistakes to begin with, but these have deceased as time has gone on. (the biggest of these was lack of PPE and understanding.  of the 'aerosol' transmission, which meant health professionals and other workers with direct contact to public wee particularly affected.) Having to weigh up so many variables, including cost  to economy (and the taxes we have to pay to repay borrowing)  cannot be easy. 

 

As I say, I'm totally aware its fluid and changes in circumstance are likely 

 

I'm putting my trust in this government though and can only go on what they're saying. My disappointment is that aside from the vaccinations. 

 

Pretty much everything else has been incredibly short of what they were saying in the weeks or months leading up to it.

 

It's getting to the point where its hard to trust anything they say as the reality always tends to be worse.

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2 hours ago, filbertway said:

As I say, I'm totally aware its fluid and changes in circumstance are likely 

 

I'm putting my trust in this government though and can only go on what they're saying. My disappointment is that aside from the vaccinations. 

 

Pretty much everything else has been incredibly short of what they were saying in the weeks or months leading up to it.

 

It's getting to the point where its hard to trust anything they say as the reality always tends to be worse.

Yes, very little was made of the variants previously, the vaccine was the saviour that was going to get us out of it, now Boris has changed to saying the lockdowns are getting us out of it.

 

Either way it doesn't really make much of a difference, more and more people are still to give less of a **** everyday, just got back from the gym and there was no masks and no social distancing, don't think I saw one person with one on, it was like 2019.

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2 hours ago, String fellow said:

A research team in Canada has looked at reasons why transmission can vary so much. They concluded that it's in part due to rotational diffusivity. Just as a spinning football is harder for a goalkeeper to catch, there is also a reduction in the tendency of a Covid-19 spike protein to get attached to a host cell if the particle has a higher rotational diffusivity. However, the picture is complicated somewhat by the number and type of spike proteins present on each particle.

https://phys.org/news/2021-04-triangular-shaped-spikes-key-coronavirus-transmission.html

Heating this is why Kylie Minogue hasn’t got it yet.

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19 minutes ago, String fellow said:

If JVT is allowed to use footballing metaphors then so am I.

Sorry, Loris Karius just immediately sprang to mind. I think it was the hard to catch bit. 

 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Yes, very little was made of the variants previously, the vaccine was the saviour that was going to get us out of it, now Boris has changed to saying the lockdowns are getting us out of it.

 

Either way it doesn't really make much of a difference, more and more people are still to give less of a **** everyday, just got back from the gym and there was no masks and no social distancing, don't think I saw one person with one on, it was like 2019.

I think Boris has made an almighty fvck up by coming out with that. Whether or not it’s true about vaccines working, he should have told a white lie and said they made the difference, I’ve had three 20 odd year olds ask me at work today why they should have a vaccine if it’s lockdowns that are the reason less people are catching the virus.

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17 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I think Boris has made an almighty fvck up by coming out with that. Whether or not it’s true about vaccines working, he should have told a white lie and said they made the difference, I’ve had three 20 odd year olds ask me at work today why they should have a vaccine if it’s lockdowns that are the reason less people are catching the virus.

Did you expect any different from the man? He just gets stuff wrong, out of malice or not. 

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26 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I think Boris has made an almighty fvck up by coming out with that. Whether or not it’s true about vaccines working, he should have told a white lie and said they made the difference, I’ve had three 20 odd year olds ask me at work today why they should have a vaccine if it’s lockdowns that are the reason less people are catching the virus.

 

9 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Did you expect any different from the man? He just gets stuff wrong, out of malice or not. 

Surely these comments were prompted by the advisors? The data suggests the vaccinations have had a significant impact. Why would Boris downplay his biggest win? No other reason than to try and stop public complacency surely. 8.5 million people have now had 2 doses. If they think they're safe now and start to ignore the rules you might as well just lift restrictions now.

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8 hours ago, Line-X said:

What do you mean 'admitting'? - you think the BBC is culpable? 

 

My main concern about lateral flow testing as I've consistently said over the last few weeks, is that although it's very good at detecting cases of a high viral load, is doesn't necessarily tell you if you aren't carrying the virus or at risk of infecting others and may miss a worrying proportion of asymptomatic cases leading to a false sense of security. 

 

I absolutely agree with the suggestion that it is grossly irresponsible of the government to roll out a mass testing programme based on "inadequate evidence" of its effectiveness. Particularly as we continue relaxing restrictions. 

In terms of putting the fear of God into the nation with their disgraceful propaganda techniques - yes. 

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29 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

In terms of putting the fear of God into the nation with their disgraceful propaganda techniques - yes. 

lol It's the BBC ffs. Just disregard it then. So why quote it?  I'll answer that for you. Because you can draw from it more of your increasingly hysterical conclusions and irrational non-sequiturs. 

 

And let's face it, given that you actually think you are living in a "totalitarian" state, you would think that wouldn't you? 

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4 minutes ago, Line-X said:

lol It's the BBC ffs. Just disregard it then. So why quote it?  I'll answer that for you. Because you can draw from it more of your increasingly hysterical conclusions and irrational non-sequiturs. 

 

And let's face it, given that you actually think you are living in a "totalitarian" state, you would think that wouldn't you? 

I don't think we're living in a totalitarian state. 

 

I know we're living in one. 

 

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Just now, Harrydc said:

I don't think we're living in a totalitarian state. 

 

I know we're living in one. 

 

There are rare occasions on the internet, even in spite of the idiocy of social media, or some contributions to the match day threads on Foxes Talk, that someone makes a comment that is so breathtakingly, astoundingly and scarily dumb that you end up perplexed and overwhelmed by the variety of valid counterpoints that present themselves. Instead, you find yourself left to suffocate in the paralysis of indecisive bewilderment - like a rabbit caught in a car's headlight beam - where any response would be preferable to none. 

 

I'm genuinely slack jawed and lost for words...all I can muster up is that seriously boy, you know nothing. 

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4 minutes ago, Line-X said:

There are rare occasions on the internet, even in spite of the idiocy of social media, or some contributions to the match day threads on Foxes Talk, that someone makes a comment that is so breathtakingly, astoundingly and scarily dumb that you end up perplexed and overwhelmed by the variety of valid counterpoints that present themselves. Instead, you find yourself left to suffocate in the paralysis of indecisive bewilderment - like a rabbit caught in a car's headlight beam - where any response would be preferable to none. 

 

I'm genuinely slack jawed and lost for words...all I can muster up is that seriously boy, you know nothing. 

You really do speak in riddles dont you. 

 

A totalitarian state poses a high degree of control over public life. 

 

You're telling me that our government does not at this very moment in time control our life? 

 

What we can do. Where we can go. 

 

A totalitarian state uses surveillance within its society. 

 

Track and trace is just the start. Vaccine passports are next. Once they're incorporated, the social credit system is next. 

 

That's not even discussing the two tier society we will have of 'vaccinated' (compliant) and 'unvaccinated' (non compliant). 

 

Yet, my comment is up there with the most stupid in your eyes. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Harrydc said:

You really do speak in riddles dont you. 

 

A totalitarian state poses a high degree of control over public life. 

 

You're telling me that our government does not at this very moment in time control our life? 

 

What we can do. Where we can go. 

 

A totalitarian state uses surveillance within its society. 

 

Track and trace is just the start. Vaccine passports are next. Once they're incorporated, the social credit system is next. 

 

That's not even discussing the two tier society we will have of 'vaccinated' (compliant) and 'unvaccinated' (non compliant). 

 

Yet, my comment is up there with the most stupid in your eyes. 

 

 

 

No, trust me, it significantly surpasses that.

 

Could someone else please, on this occasion?

 

What I will say is, when international travel is again viable, purchase a one way ticket (you won't be needing a return - I'll willingly fund it for you), to Tehran, Pyongyang, Asmara - your choice, (and don't bother with those daft vaccinations). Upon arrival, if you actually succeed in accessing the internet, publicly post about the "disgraceful propaganda techniques" of the state broadcaster. Then sit in your hotel room, wait for ten minutes or so and see what happens. 

 

Alternatively, why not visit Yangon this summer? - feel free to join the street protests and listen to the bullets whistling past your empty head. 

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Line-X said:

No, trust me, it significantly surpasses that.

 

Could someone else please, on this occasion?

 

What I will say is, when international travel is again viable, purchase a one way ticket (you won't be needing a return - I'll willingly fund it for you), to Tehran, Pyongyang, Asmara - your choice, (and don't bother with those daft vaccinations). Upon arrival, if you actually succeed in accessing the internet, publicly post about the "disgraceful propaganda techniques" of the state broadcaster. Then sit in your hotel room, wait for ten minutes or so and see what happens. 

 

Alternatively, why not visit Yangon this summer? - feel free to join the street protests and listen to the bullets whistling past your empty head. 

 

 

 

 

You're being very one dimensional when speaking about totalitarianism. 

 

It's not as simple as comparing us to 'North Korea'. 

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The government has passed laws, still in force, to dictate who I can hug and in what circumstances.  Is there not a totalitarian aspect to that?  If it were to be announced that North Korea were to allow people to meet their mothers as long as it it is outdoors, but they cannot touch them at all; except as a special concession, you can hold hands with someone who is dying - would we be thinking what a liberal society North Korea is?

 

The government has passed laws that control every aspect of my life.  Where I work, when I can go to work, who I can meet, where I can eat and shop, who I can meet, what I must wear.

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25 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

The government has passed laws, still in force, to dictate who I can hug and in what circumstances.  Is there not a totalitarian aspect to that?  If it were to be announced that North Korea were to allow people to meet their mothers as long as it it is outdoors, but they cannot touch them at all; except as a special concession, you can hold hands with someone who is dying - would we be thinking what a liberal society North Korea is?

 

The government has passed laws that control every aspect of my life.  Where I work, when I can go to work, who I can meet, where I can eat and shop, who I can meet, what I must wear.

Surely even you must feel that these are exceptional circumstances.

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Just now, WigstonWanderer said:

Surely even you must feel that these are exceptional circumstances.

That's not the issue.  The issue isn't whether the government is justified in being totalitarian, the issue is whether it is being totalitarian.  "Totalitarian" is a government that exercises a high degree of control over public and private life.  You can argue either way whether this one is.  What mildly got my goat was Line-X's utter contempt for someone who doesn't share his views on what constitutes totalitarian.

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Just now, dsr-burnley said:

That's not the issue.  The issue isn't whether the government is justified in being totalitarian, the issue is whether it is being totalitarian.  "Totalitarian" is a government that exercises a high degree of control over public and private life.  You can argue either way whether this one is.  What mildly got my goat was Line-X's utter contempt for someone who doesn't share his views on what constitutes totalitarian.

The implication was that there is a government motive for acting in a totalitarian way, though. 

 

Pick your battles!

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