Popular Post Deeg67 Posted 28 July 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 28 July 2020 I understand the urge to sell while we can make a few bucks, but Gray has probably been our best winger since the resumption. Not that it's not a low bar. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebfromgrebland Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 We can't let anyone like Gray go until we have the replacement in. Without Gray it means we're playing Albrighton or Perez. We're not a big enough club to let players of his calibre go without getting someone in who will cost just as much or more. There's no guarantee the replacement will even be as good (or bad). Our problem is convincing him to stay as he might want more first team action. Has the last 7 months not been a big enough reality check for some of our fans? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 3 hours ago, Deeg67 said: I understand the urge to sell while we can make a few bucks, but Gray has probably been our best winger since the resumption. Not that it's not a low bar. Agreed. Demi is one of the very few potential game-changing options we have on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Earle Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 2 minutes ago, Paddy. said: Agreed. Demi is one of the very few potential game-changing options we have on the bench. ...usually for the worse! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 9 hours ago, dooflip said: Really hope we can get a bit of decent money for him. He’s never going to make it here. i understand the notions of keeping him because we are thin on numbers, but we have 4 wingers and 4 wingers is what you need. We want to bring in one or two at least. Perez won’t be sold because he’s not long come. Albrighton and gray are the casualties here and have to be, though I sense Albrighton won’t be going anywhere, so it absolutely has to be gray. to be fair to the lad he’s actually been one of the players to make a difference coming on since the restart. But speaking broader about his time here, he has to be one of the most frustrating players we have. No end product, no brain. if we are trying to establish ourselves as a top team demari doesn’t deserve to be here. . who are these 4 wingers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooflip Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 9 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: . who are these 4 wingers!!! Perez Albrighton gray barnes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scinnell Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 1 minute ago, dooflip said: Perez Albrighton gray barnes Perez is not a winger and we need to get am improvement for Albrighton, if we are going to consistently finish in European places. The other two are really inconsistent. Two wingers needed IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooflip Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 1 minute ago, scinnell said: Perez is not a winger and we need to get am improvement for Albrighton, if we are going to consistently finish in European places. The other two are really inconsistent. Two wingers needed IMO Agreed. But Perez was brought in to be a “wide forward” as quoted by Brendan. Just not a very good one. I think he’s be better as a 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 6 minutes ago, dooflip said: Perez Albrighton gray barnes ..I beg to differ!!! Perez is not a winger, we may play him out wide but that is not his position. Barnes is not a winger, once again played in that position for expediency, he should be played centrally, perhaps as a 10 or with a lead striker. We have overlooked the wingers role for too long and it has come back to haunt us and will continue to do so until we bring in two outstanding wingers to elevate this team and give Tielemanns and Maddison the options they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 (edited) As already said Perez is not a winger and Albrighton is pretty much finished as a winger, should be used as a wing back now, his attacking stats are shocking. So that leaves us with Gray and Barnes as wingers. Edited 28 July 2020 by Leicester_Loyal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luttfox Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 Loan swap with bornemouth for the season with Josh King. Doubt he'd want to drop to the championship but a regular starting place for a season in the champ might just get his confidence back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 48 minutes ago, Luttfox said: Loan swap with bornemouth for the season with Josh King. Doubt he'd want to drop to the championship but a regular starting place for a season in the champ might just get his confidence back ..it was never a lack of confidence with Gray!!! As I have said before, it is how he sees the game. Some players can see the big picture, Gray can only see a partial area and is trapped in that corridor. He is blinkered to a large degree and need to look at the game from another angle. If you look at end product, Thomas already understands the philosophy of the game an attribute Gray will never attain unless he is directed to do so. After coming on and scoring, it was significant, in the subsequent games, that he chose options to shoot when the lay off was more appropriate.It all became a matter of glory for him and less about the needs of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooflip Posted 28 July 2020 Share Posted 28 July 2020 11 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ..it was never a lack of confidence with Gray!!! As I have said before, it is how he sees the game. Some players can see the big picture, Gray can only see a partial area and is trapped in that corridor. He is blinkered to a large degree and need to look at the game from another angle. If you look at end product, Thomas already understands the philosophy of the game an attribute Gray will never attain unless he is directed to do so. After coming on and scoring, it was significant, in the subsequent games, that he chose options to shoot when the lay off was more appropriate.It all became a matter of glory for him and less about the needs of the team. Barnes also guilty of being blinded by being able to grab himself some glory which I find very frustrating. It’s an element many of our players have, selfishness. And having too many doesn’t work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DerbyshireFox Posted 28 July 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 28 July 2020 9 minutes ago, dooflip said: Barnes also guilty of being blinded by being able to grab himself some glory which I find very frustrating. It’s an element many of our players have, selfishness. And having too many doesn’t work. It think the difference with Harvey is it’s his first full season, and he has shown some progression during the campaign. Pre lockdown he was arguably one of our biggest threats. 8 assists doesn’t scream selfish to me, if anything he needs to improve his finishing and he would have a few more goals to his name - the one on one with Caballero against Chelsea springs to mind. Barnes has shown he can progress within his first full season, something which Gray hasn’t shown enough of in four seasons now. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 17 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said: We can't let anyone like Gray go until we have the replacement in. Without Gray it means we're playing Albrighton or Perez. We're not a big enough club to let players of his calibre go without getting someone in who will cost just as much or more. There's no guarantee the replacement will even be as good (or bad). Our problem is convincing him to stay as he might want more first team action. Has the last 7 months not been a big enough reality check for some of our fans? Rodgers has said multiple times we are going to look to improve our attacking options. I think everybody saying sell him is saying that with the context that this is the last year of his contract and that we are going to sign a replacement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 29 July 2020 Share Posted 29 July 2020 2 hours ago, dooflip said: Barnes also guilty of being blinded by being able to grab himself some glory which I find very frustrating. It’s an element many of our players have, selfishness. And having too many doesn’t work. Barnes is one of our most creative players. He has clearly been told by the manager to shoot more, so that is what he is doing. Rodgers has probably ordered him to do that with the hope that he'll remember how to score goals like he did in every other tier of football he's played in. Whether he eventually remembers how to finish or not is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 On 27/07/2020 at 20:14, dooflip said: No end product, no brain. Among players with 500 minutes, Gray ranked 19th in the PL for goals plus assists per 90’ (0.72) this season. Ahead of Aubameyang, Sterling, Foden, Pulisic, Antonio. He’d not get as many as a starter. But calling that “no end product” is my idea of “no brain”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 6 hours ago, KingsX said: Among players with 500 minutes, Gray ranked 19th in the PL for goals plus assists per 90’ (0.72) this season. Ahead of Aubameyang, Sterling, Foden, Pulisic, Antonio. He’d not get as many as a starter. But calling that “no end product” is my idea of “no brain”. I think he’s been one of our most productive since the re-start. But this is his problem for me, he just lacks consistency, and has done throughout his time with us. We all want him to come good, and these moments have kept us going but I’m now in the sell camp, contract running down, so get some money and let him have a fresh start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest An Sionnach Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 He is a championship player , where he would get far more playing time , he will have to decide whether he wants to play football or chase the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 On 29/07/2020 at 00:16, dooflip said: Barnes also guilty of being blinded by being able to grab himself some glory which I find very frustrating. It’s an element many of our players have, selfishness. And having too many doesn’t work. Barnes is still young so his decision making obviously still needs a bit of work, he'll get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsell1976 Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 On 28/07/2020 at 05:36, Deeg67 said: I understand the urge to sell while we can make a few bucks, but Gray has probably been our best winger since the resumption. Not that it's not a low bar. Don’t know what he did, a few step overs, a goal and assist if I remember right. He’s been awful here for years, never going to make the grade, time for him and us to move on. Think his best move is to a championship side with aspirations of promotion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 30 July 2020 Share Posted 30 July 2020 On 28/07/2020 at 08:50, Grebfromgrebland said: Has the last 7 months not been a big enough reality check for some of our fans? No it’s not, it’s pushed most of them further into the abyss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfoxes Posted 31 July 2020 Share Posted 31 July 2020 (edited) Been a few reports were trying to offload Demarai to Newcastle Steve Bruce wants him to join the Magpies, Really think we should keep him unless we have a solid replacement on the way ? Edited 31 July 2020 by justfoxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty2702 Posted 31 July 2020 Share Posted 31 July 2020 Personally I like demarai, but surely most fans can see that if we can get a half decent fee for him, it’s time for him to move on with our best wishes 👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 31 July 2020 Share Posted 31 July 2020 I don’t want to see him or Albrighton playing in PL or EL games next season. If we sold either they would at best go to a mid level PL club, we need to be much better than that. Neither of them would even get close to being on the bench for any of the supposed big clubs. MA has been a star for us and DG clearly has the skills but lacks any consistency. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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