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1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

 

The law was changed to stop goals being scored with the arm  (wolves had one a couple, years ago).  It can’t be right for the ball to enter the goal from a hand or arm ??

 

the authorities didn’t trust officials to interpret whether the handball assisted with the goal or was a complete accident ..... i can see a can of worms being opened here where inconsistencies abound and some goals are given whilst others are not ....

So the ball can accidentally touch an arm as an assist but if it accidentally touches an arm before you hammer home it doesnt count? 

 

Its the consistency that doesnt make sense with this. 

 

If the ball brushes your arm in a scramble, you fire it home, its dissallowed. But in the same situation you, square it to someone to tap in... thats suddenly ok. 

 

If I was a striker and I realised id touched it with my arm, id just look to pass it now

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Sure - but in this instance the Fulham handball decision was 100% correct (based on current handball rule) - nothing to do with VAR (as you agree) and nothing to do with referee incompetence (since it was 100% correct decision) 

Yes I'm agreeing with that. But the rule is wrong. That doesn't happen in a vacuum. That rule STILL robbed Fulham of a goal. I keep saying it but I'm blaming the entire system of referees/authority body for incompetence. Repeatedly VAR and the refs on the field and the rules have been wrong. Not just with VAR but long before. Almost as if VAR isn't really the issue. I don't know whether you're being pedantic by trying to nail me to that single incident but it seems like a shallow argument that avoids facing any larger issue.

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So if an attacker in the box did what Kante did yesterday and it led to a goal for the attacker's team, would that still be allowed? It wasn't given as a penalty in a defensive situation :dunno:

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1 hour ago, jammie82uk said:

it has changed
 

the Law 12 definition for handball, whereby the arm ends at the bottom of the armpit, must be used when judging whether a player is in an offside position

 

https://www.theifab.com/news/annual-general-meeting-2021

I’m still not clear what this means?  ‘The arm ending at the bottom of the armpit’. Is that a reversion to last year or is that the sleeve ??

 

I thought last year was the top of the armpit (hence the issues with shoulders being given as handball).  I was under the impression that the bottom of the armpit is the sleeve 

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2 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I would agree. I think they should measure the feet only, not any body part you can score with. Therefore if the defender is running up the pitch (playing offside trap or just running forward) and the attacker is heading towards goal, the attacker is OK as long as his feet are in line or behind the defenders feet. Even if the upper body (arm/shoulders) look miles apart (offside). I am all for giving the attacker more of an advantage. That way it is fairly simple to measure with the lines (yes you still have when was the ball played, where do the feet start/end etc.). It will eradicate the ridiculous decisions like Werner yesterday and was it Bamford at Palace?

I've said exactly the same before. It's just so blatantly obvious. You can only pivot so far in any direction from your feet. It's also easier to determine for Var using the lines across the Pitch and the feet. You could even say it's the standing foot that counts.

That would simplify it for everybody to understand.

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21 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

I've said exactly the same before. It's just so blatantly obvious. You can only pivot so far in any direction from your feet. It's also easier to determine for Var using the lines across the Pitch and the feet. You could even say it's the standing foot that counts.

That would simplify it for everybody to understand.

I can just imagine defenders jumping in the air to avoid having a foot on the ground to measure!

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17 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Scrap offside. Simple.

Know you are joking but years ago, I think there was a semi pro friendly with no offside - was bloody ridiculous, strikers never left the opposition penalty area lol

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17 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Scrap offside. Simple.

Evidently they are going to trial  wengers offside law where any part of the attacker being level with any part of the defender is onside.  (So in an extreme scenario, the striker could be well over a yard ahead of the defender). unintended consequences could make this change to the law lead to defences dropping deeper to avoid playing strikers onside with enough room to run into ahead of the keeper clearing out.  Think how a lot of sides defend against vardy.  This could well result in less goals and less excitement. 

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3 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Know you are joking but years ago, I think there was a semi pro friendly with no offside - was bloody ridiculous, strikers never left the opposition penalty area lol

I'm only semi-joking. Would liven things up for sure!

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26 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Scrap offside. Simple.

 

Whilst we are at it, I've never liked the pass back to the goalie rule, and substitutes are for wusses.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

Whilst we are at it, I've never liked the pass back to the goalie rule, and substitutes are for wusses.

 

I think they are bringing in a law where the keeper playing a goal kick to a defender who then heads back (or uses another part of the body) to circumvent the pass back law will result in a yellow card for the defender. 

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5 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Know you are joking but years ago, I think there was a semi pro friendly with no offside - was bloody ridiculous, strikers never left the opposition penalty area lol

Reminds me of my old school lunchtime 20-a-side games with a tennis ball when one forthright lad tried to ban goal-hanging by suggesting we introduce the offside rule. He got laughed out of the playground...

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Just now, Hales said:

If they are changing laws get rid of the hop penalty takers do. Unfair advantage over goal keepers!

Excellent idea. Or better still have a sniper on hand just in case any of them dare to try it...

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1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

I’m still not clear what this means?  ‘The arm ending at the bottom of the armpit’. Is that a reversion to last year or is that the sleeve ??

 

I thought last year was the top of the armpit (hence the issues with shoulders being given as handball).  I was under the impression that the bottom of the armpit is the sleeve 

Shoulders wasn’t being given as handball last year tho was they? Top of the arms was but not Shoulders 


Yes this is still what is called the ‘sleeve rule’ but they have clarified what part of the body should the measurement be against 

 

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11 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think they are bringing in a law where the keeper playing a goal kick to a defender who then heads back (or uses another part of the body) to circumvent the pass back law will result in a yellow card for the defender. 

Yes that’s correct they also agreed on that today 

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2 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Shoulders wasn’t being given as handball last year tho was they? Top of the arms was but not Shoulders 


Yes this is still what is called the ‘sleeve rule’ but they have clarified what part of the body should the measurement be against 

 

There were a few that were given as handball where the shoulder meets the very top of the arm .... I remember one at villa park .....

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50 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Scrap offside. Simple.

Move the off side to line up with the edge of the penalty area. 

 

It was introduced to stop goal hanging not to catch someone out on the half way line.

 

There was an offside last season given against Vardy because in the play he was off side but when he finally received the ball he was in his own half with several layers behind him. Crazy!!

 

Didn't it use to be in an offside position when you received the ball?

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1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

There were a few that were given as handball where the shoulder meets the very top of the arm .... I remember one at villa park .....

So they was rightly given then and there was no handballs given for shoulders then? But Also that it why we have the ‘sleeve rule’ to try to remove avoidance of doubt of handball 

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3 hours ago, AjcW said:

I'm 100% not getting involved in any 'pushing the boundaries' medicine talk given we had an ageing team that turned into un-injurable title winners lol 

 

‘Pool had their inhalers, we had our joss sticks :cool:

 

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7 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

So they was rightly given then and there was no handballs given for shoulders then? But Also that it why we have the ‘sleeve rule’ to try to remove avoidance of doubt of handball 

No one was sure if they were rightly given.  But moving the handball to the sleeve means that the offside line is now drawn from the most forward point of the bicep rather than below the armpit. That’s removed more goals for offside than it’s probably allowed for lower shoulder handball ....

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42 minutes ago, Hales said:

If they are changing laws get rid of the hop penalty takers do. Unfair advantage over goal keepers!

I kinda miss Paul Gallagher's way of taking them. Six steps with his back to goal, then just run and smash it. lol

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1 hour ago, Hales said:

If they are changing laws get rid of the hop penalty takers do. Unfair advantage over goal keepers!

Yep. Any form of that should be stopped. 

The player should just run up and hit the ball.

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