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On 11/01/2021 at 19:38, messerschmitt said:

Does anyone know if Wednesday's EFL Tranmere V Leicester U21 is being shown anywhere, no mention on LCFC TV.

Tranmere are streaming it on their website but it'll cost you a tenner.

 

https://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/matches/first-team-fixtures/first-team/202021/january/tranmere-rovers-vs-leicester-city-u21-on-13-jan-21/

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17 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

I dont understand. Why would a reserves team not be managed by someone who got a 'jobs for the boys' gig? Im not sure it would make a difference would it?

 

Is it more because the senior players would expect a more qualified coach? Wouldnt change anything for us, Bealehole would still manage them

 

 

Yes, thats partly why but it was also probably seen as a benefit to the youngsters on the field with him. Having a senior pro play with you will make you raise your game, he would offer them a lot of guidance and demand more from them. If the right personalities are littered in a reserve team, less get a shot but the ones that play could gain more from it. 

 

With the under 23 set up, we start 7/8 players that the club dont expect to ever make it. So using it to help them learn from those around is worth it imo. Its just the reality of it unforuntately.

 

To get a real measure for the difference in ability is Gray. He looked miles ahead of everyone in the team when he played yet he has never been good enough for us. Which shows the gulf in first team and U23's

 

 some good points you're making there which i fully agree with.....notably the fact that U23 and younger ACademy age group consist of 7/8 players that are never going to make it.

But these "filler" players are essential to aid the development of the 3/4 identified with potential so i'm not sure we should measure the gulf between 1st team and U23s based on these "filler" players Vs Damari Gray?

 

Personally, im not convinced about the supposed gulf between PL first teams and the best of the U23 players.  I think in some cases its a bit of a "glass ceiling" myth perpetuated by senior pros trying to protect their own careers OR managers trying to protect their jobs and unprepared to take risks. .

Takes time for anyone to adapt to a new role in life or to adjust to performing at a higher level but in todays PL where instant results are required, young players are rarely afforded the time and opportunity to adjust and appear to be judged too quickly by fans and media.....thereby putting more pressure on managers by supporters and shareholders seeking instant results .

 

But there are plenty of examples now where necessity and/or time have proved the step up is not as great as people would have us believe......Marcus Rashford being the greatest example of all!

Would never have been given the opportunity barring an unparalleled injury crisis at United when Mourinho was forced to use his 8th choice unknown 19 year old  striker with NO previous experience of any senior football....and the rest is history! 

Amazing to think what might have happened to Marcus Rashford if Morurinho had not been faced that injury crisis and Rashford had carried on playing in Uniteds U23s...?  And how many more "Marcus Rashfords" were lost in the U23 system simply because they were never given that opportunity...?!? 

 

Latest examples of U23s "seamlessly" stepping straight into PL starting teams without any previous loan experience are Foden, Greenwood, Mctominay, Trent-Arnold, Declan Rice, Reece James, Curtis Jones, Lamptey and....our very own Luke Thomas!  FIVE of these players are now regulars in their Senior National team squads yet they stepped straight from U23 to PL football at the very highest level!   

(This takes no account of those who have had championship loan spells first before graduating to their first team....ie  Barnes, Chilwell, Mount etc...) 

 

Maybe it isn't so much a gulf between first team and U23s....just a question of picking the right players and giving them time to adapt.....and a little more patience from media, supporters and managers!

 

 

 

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Fascinating to see if Tavares plays tonight. He has featured in the Papa John's games, the last one of which he got an assist and then the winner and then after being named in the EL squad list hasn't played for the U23's which is odd but we have been told by people in the know why. The Papa John's is perhaps a bit more of a level up and hopefully both Tavares and the club want him to play.

 

Here's how I envisage it going.....

 

Tavares plays tonight, we qualify for the next round. He scores some outrageous goal and is named on the bench vs Southampton and comes on to help close out an emphatic win. Signs a new deal in a few weeks and the club ask me what role if any I'd like. I'm appointed Purveyor of Flair and have an office next to Rudkin and Beaglehole at Seagrave with a kitchenette to do me Kiev and beans in.

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5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Fascinating to see if Tavares plays tonight. He has featured in the Papa John's games, the last one of which he got an assist and then the winner and then after being named in the EL squad list hasn't played for the U23's which is odd but we have been told by people in the know why. The Papa John's is perhaps a bit more of a level up and hopefully both Tavares and the club want him to play.

 

Here's how I envisage it going.....

 

Tavares plays tonight, we qualify for the next round. He scores some outrageous goal and is named on the bench vs Southampton and comes on to help close out an emphatic win. Signs a new deal in a few weeks and the club ask me what role if any I'd like. I'm appointed Purveyor of Flair and have an office next to Rudkin and Beaglehole at Seagrave with a kitchenette to do me Kiev and beans in.

What relation (if any?) are you to Sidnei Tavares.........Mr Tavares? :D

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13 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Fascinating to see if Tavares plays tonight. He has featured in the Papa John's games, the last one of which he got an assist and then the winner and then after being named in the EL squad list hasn't played for the U23's which is odd but we have been told by people in the know why. The Papa John's is perhaps a bit more of a level up and hopefully both Tavares and the club want him to play.

 

Here's how I envisage it going.....

 

Tavares plays tonight, we qualify for the next round. He scores some outrageous goal and is named on the bench vs Southampton and comes on to help close out an emphatic win. Signs a new deal in a few weeks and the club ask me what role if any I'd like. I'm appointed Purveyor of Flair and have an office next to Rudkin and Beaglehole at Seagrave with a kitchenette to do me Kiev and beans in.

I think you should prepare to be disappointed Ric. If he's having a stand off with the club and he's looking to move on then I don't expect him to be in the team tonight. Hope I'm wrong.

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21 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said:

I think you should prepare to be disappointed Ric. If he's having a stand off with the club and he's looking to move on then I don't expect him to be in the team tonight. Hope I'm wrong.

The interview he done suggest there a chance he stay with us

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48 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said:

I think you should prepare to be disappointed Ric. If he's having a stand off with the club and he's looking to move on then I don't expect him to be in the team tonight. Hope I'm wrong.

BUT WHAT ABOUT ME FCUKIN KIEVS AND BEANS?

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5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Fascinating to see if Tavares plays tonight. He has featured in the Papa John's games, the last one of which he got an assist and then the winner and then after being named in the EL squad list hasn't played for the U23's which is odd but we have been told by people in the know why. The Papa John's is perhaps a bit more of a level up and hopefully both Tavares and the club want him to play.

 

Here's how I envisage it going.....

 

Tavares plays tonight, we qualify for the next round. He scores some outrageous goal and is named on the bench vs Southampton and comes on to help close out an emphatic win. Signs a new deal in a few weeks and the club ask me what role if any I'd like. I'm appointed Purveyor of Flair and have an office next to Rudkin and Beaglehole at Seagrave with a kitchenette to do me Kiev and beans in.

All hail Ric from Enderby

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