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I think we can now give the lad a break and wish him well. In my opinion, he's no more a risk than an out of form Sharkey and a woeful Perez. Our creative attacking options are so limited now. He's got be given a fair crack. He has the tools in the locker. We will just have to cope with his frustrating bits as well.

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16 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

These next 3 games against dog shit, if he doesn't make an impact then he never will for us. It's your time little Cengo

But not quite as simple as that is it. With Barnes & Madders he would be one of multiple creative attackers. Now the burden is entirely on him. Different picture. Still hope he does well. 

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There’s obviously a player in there but he’s not right for BR. Apparently according the Stringer BR was constantly bemoaning him on the touchline whenever he did something. It won’t click for him but I hope I’m proved wrong.

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38 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

But not quite as simple as that is it. With Barnes & Madders he would be one of multiple creative attackers. Now the burden is entirely on him. Different picture. Still hope he does well. 

Of course it's not as simple as that but if Barnes and Maddison were fit he wouldn't be starting anyway. If he's ever going to make a name for himself here it'll be by bailing this club out the shit and we're about in that territory. These 3 games are perfect for him, even though its not the most ideal of circumstances.

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If there's a footballer in there it was left behind at the airport. Could probably get his positive contributions onto a 20 second you tube video. For whatever reason it clearly hasn't worked out for him here.

Perhaps not just suited to the English game and likes a slower more technical game like you get in Italy. You can just see it if he plays against Burnley. Pointless runs trying to do too much, giving the ball away allowing them to break on us.

Unfortunately we've nobody else. Hope you proves me wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

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8 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...perhaps that is where the problem lies, trying to prove to people his worth!!!

  Always attempting to pull something off, irrespective of how audacious the opportunity appears. Non of this playing himself into the team,  just go full steam ahead and make things happen. 

  The amount of times Rodgers turned his back when Ünder lost the ball,  trying to make a pass or attempting to beat a man with a nutmeg or shooting when the situation does not call for it.

  I am still baffled as to why Rodgers keeps him on the bench as it is obvious he has no confidence in him and I can only speculate that it is some kind of requirement of the loan.

 

True, that can be a danger if a player is (rightly or wrongly) only making occasional appearances  - he focuses too much on doing something to impress individually, rather than contributing to the team.

 

I often got the impression that applied to Demarai Gray.....though when he did get runs in the team, he was still inconsistent & made poor decisions too often. Maybe Cengiz will be the same, but I hope not.

 

Thinking about it, though, I wonder how much Under will play and whether he will now get a chance to "play himself into the team" over the coming weeks?

With Fofana coming back, I suppose Brendan will have the alternative option of playing 3 at the back (any 3 of Fofana, Soyuncu, Evans & Amartey or even Fuchs, assuming Evans only has a minor strain) - and playing 2 of Ricardo, Castagne & Albrighton as the wide men? If Under doesn't play much in the coming weeks, I reckon we can assume that it is pretty much the end for him here....come on, Cengiz, this is your moment!

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Problem is he is now looking like someone who doesn't feel like the manager rates him. It can go two ways, force him to prove him wrong or he loses more confidence. It's not guaranteed he starts on Wednesday, but he should start the next 3 games and see what happens. 

 

 

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Thing is...so many of our great players had a lackluster first reason. I mean...look at Mahrez. He didn't do an awful lot for his first 2 seasons. I think these things need time and players need time to adjust and gel. Vardy also didn't play great in his first season either. 

 

I really think he could become decent and has higher potential than Perez or Nacho. Hopefully this run of games shows what he can do. 

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Getting slated but he probably contributed more in an attacking sense than any body else that played in the forward positions.

 

Chance for Rodgers to put an arm around him here and say, you're going to start the next 3 games show me what you've got. Let's see some of that famous man management Brendan

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1 minute ago, Christoph said:

Thing is...so many of our great players had a lackluster first reason. I mean...look at Mahrez. He didn't do an awful lot for his first 2 seasons. I think these things need time and players need time to adjust and gel. Vardy also didn't play great in his first season either. 

 

I really think he could become decent and has higher potential than Perez or Nacho. Hopefully this run of games shows what he can do. 

\i don't think he has and its a pretty low bar. Hope im wrong and he scores Wednesday

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4 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Mahrez was pretty amazing very quickly.

 

Not quite how i remembered. The talent was obvious but he had loads of off games for us at the start. 

 

1st season in the Championship he had 19 appearances and 3 goals. 2nd season in the Prem he had  30 appearances, 4 goals and 1 assist (plus 1 extra goal in league cup). Doesn't sound that amazing to me. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, mancunianfox said:

Mahrez was an eye test thing though. His main issue was strength and time on the ball but his technical ability was amazing from day one.

No doubt plus Pearson wasn't really playing him enough either but i can see a glimmer of talent and technical ability in Under as well. Albeit not quite that level but hes shown more technical ability than Perez has. 

 

Am I just trying to convince myself that everything is going to be ok even though half our team is ****ed? Maybe i am...maybe i am. lol 

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1 hour ago, Christoph said:

Thing is...so many of our great players had a lackluster first reason. I mean...look at Mahrez. He didn't do an awful lot for his first 2 seasons. I think these things need time and players need time to adjust and gel. Vardy also didn't play great in his first season either. 

 

I really think he could become decent and has higher potential than Perez or Nacho. Hopefully this run of games shows what he can do. 

How many points would you be willing to drop to find out though? Not that it matters now anyway as we've got no choice but to play him anyway.

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I think Under actually has to be told the role he needs to play, as in 'your job is to carry the ball to here and look for A or B when you get there'

 

It seems he's far too unpredictable and too much of a licence to get up to all sorts, which might be ok in other leagues but to pull off a free role in the Premier League you need to be a different gravy. 

 

He has the attributes to be very handy I feel, but he needs more guidance on his responsibility and role. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said:

Problem is he is now looking like someone who doesn't feel like the manager rates him. It can go two ways, force him to prove him wrong or he loses more confidence. It's not guaranteed he starts on Wednesday, but he should start the next 3 games and see what happens. 

 

 

Yes he looks like he's lost confidence down to the realisation that it's unlikely he'll be getting a permanent move here. Assuming he's unwanted by Roma it would be in his own interest to prove himself in the shop window as he'll be looking for another move in the summer. 

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35 minutes ago, turlo said:

Yes he looks like he's lost confidence down to the realisation that it's unlikely he'll be getting a permanent move here. Assuming he's unwanted by Roma it would be in his own interest to prove himself in the shop window as he'll be looking for another move in the summer. 

I hate the “shop window” nonsense. 
 

He’s a professional footballer. He should be giving his all for his current team regardless of what lies ahead. 

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If he takes this chance that he likely to get in the next few weeks, he could secure himself a place here next season. 
 

he has something about him can beat a man and is quick, just need to turn that into a few goals and assists 

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