Rodgers due respect

[Dahnsouff 6,066]

9 minutes ago, Dames said:

 

I think part of why people are struggling to warm to him as much as other managers is the fact that deep down we all know this is a marriage of convenience. Rodgers will always have his eye on the bigger jobs and for the most part we are happy with that as long as when he leaves us he leaves us in a good position. 

They all are, any perception that a manager is here for some reason, is just eye of the beholder stuff

[Mike Oxlong 8,446]

The fact that we have had European football this season deserves respect 

 

The fact that we have pretty much been in the top 5 for most of the time since the start of last season deserves respect 

 

The fact that we have gone so far in cup competitions since the start of last season deserves respect

 

The development of our playing style and squad deserves respect 

 

unless our success has created an over inflated level of expectation 

[Guest 1,777]

3 minutes ago, Dames said:

I don’t think its a case of disliking him, not from my perspective but for a manager of his supposed calibre and what we are paying, we should be expecting more from him. 
 

Sometimes he delivers and gets lauded, other times he doesn't and gets criticised. 

It definitely is in some cases. Plenty had made their minds up about him from the second we were first linked i.e. he's an arrogant snake oil salesman. Some of the stuff that gets laid at his door without any evidence whatsoever is incredible. He's responsible for everything that goes wrong - injuries, our inactivity in January, the supposed weak mentality of our players, Wilf doing starjumps in the box to block shots. Granted it's definitely a minority who think this way and I guess when they constantly jump on every little failure week after week it seems as though they're more numerous than they are.

 

I think in the main he has delivered and the scale of the job he's done/doing is largely underappreciated. For the second season running we're in contention for the Champions League places, competing with and in some cases beating clubs with far greater resources and deeper squads, despite a mountain of injuries and some pretty glaring deficiencies in the squad. He's certainly not beyond criticism but I'd say he's got us punching above our weight, sometimes significantly so. The idea that he is somehow underperforming or in some way holding us back from achieving our true potential is, in my opinion, absurd.

 

 

[winteriscoming 1,237]

There’s no question Rodgers has done brilliantly since being here. You can’t blame him for injuries as he’s stated we’re struggling. 
However I couldn’t understand going 1 up today and our tactics were play on the break and sit back against a side who are not great defensively. 

[UpTheLeagueFox 11,104]

12 minutes ago, Dames said:

I think part of why people are struggling to warm to him as much as other managers is the fact that deep down we all know this is a marriage of convenience. Rodgers will always have his eye on the bigger jobs and for the most part we are happy with that as long as when he leaves us he leaves us in a good position. 

Marriage of convenience my arse.

 

6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I think that is a bit presumptuous. Even if it is the case, why should that stop anyone trying to back him and getting the best out of him while he's here?

Could the same not be said of some players in that scenario - Fofana, Youri, Ricardo, Soyuncu. Is it not a 'marriage of convenience' for them to be here and be ambitious enough to want to go to bigger clubs?

Stan's right. 

Young, talented managers will progress through clubs as will players too.

Enjoy them for what they bring and while they're here.

 

Rodgers makes mistakes but he's got the best win % of any manager in our history.

 

[Sol thewall Bamba 8,481]

9 out of 10 times he nails it but then we get the occasional absolute stinker. It's incredibly frustrating.

 

Given the injuries a lot will be out of his hands for the rest of this season but hopefully he can get us over the line. 

[coolhandfox 3,451]

33 minutes ago, Dames said:

We could have player our best 11 like Arsenal did and then play the ‘reserves’ in the league game. 
 

Instead we did the opposite and still lost. The team being knackered isn’t an excuse, they are professional athletes with access to some of the best facilities in the world, with the rest some of them got in midweek they should have been better prepared for today. 
 

Most other teams are in the same boat as us for fixtures, yes some have bigger squads and less injuries but tiredness should not be an excuse.

Even if we won the squad couldn't cope with another two games.

[STUHILL 2,921]

I always think people who say tiredness or fatigue can never be used as an excuse, have most likely never played any form of competitive sport 

[HighPeakFox 12,327]

Just now, STUHILL said:

I always think people who say tiredness or fatigue can never be used as an excuse, have most likely never played any form of competitive sport 

Or are fond of computer games...

[coolhandfox 3,451]

If you don't believe in tiredness and fatigue.

 

Ask yourself when you next fly on a plane would you be happy to have a pilot who not had a day off for 6 weeks?

[Dames 990]

11 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Marriage of convenience my arse.

 

You know as well as I do that if a job came up that he deemed bigger he’d be off. I think most of us are okay with that provided we continue the way we have. 

[Cardiff_Fox 6,593]

Can’t believe the revisionism that we threw away the Europa League - that team on Thursday to today had four changes. 
 

Pereira, Castagne and Barnes couldn’t start due to injuries or fatigue. Iheanancho suspended. 
 

There was no throwing away or couldn’t care about Europe. It was the best team he could select in the circumstances.

[Corky 14,665]

43 minutes ago, Dames said:

We could have player our best 11 like Arsenal did and then play the ‘reserves’ in the league game. 
 

Instead we did the opposite and still lost. The team being knackered isn’t an excuse, they are professional athletes with access to some of the best facilities in the world, with the rest some of them got in midweek they should have been better prepared for today. 
 

Most other teams are in the same boat as us for fixtures, yes some have bigger squads and less injuries but tiredness should not be an excuse.

Do you think people would've accepted playing the reserves today? Of course not. Ideally we'd play the same 14/16 in every game but it won't happen.

 

Form wise we're doing ok. In the last six games we've got the same points total as Man United. We've had a bad week. We need a result on Wednesday to settle things down.

[STUHILL 2,921]

1 minute ago, Dames said:

You know as well as I do that if a job came up that he deemed bigger he’d be off. I think most of us are okay with that provided we continue the way we have. 

Disagree. Think he will be here for another 2 years minimum. Top needs to give him some funds in the summer though. 

[Guest 1,777]

6 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I always think people who say tiredness or fatigue can never be used as an excuse, have most likely never played any form of competitive sport 

It's absolutely mad isn't it? Also seen suggestions that because we've got really good facilities now, tiredness isn't a factor any more. We bought a training ground, not a mega batch of ****ing magic anti-fatigue serum.

 

Between that and people still failing to understand why we didn't just bring in loads of class players in January, some of these folks are genuinely so far removed from reality it's worrying.

[Mickyblueeyes 2,642]

We can’t right him off after two bad results. Especially not in a season which is weird as it is. I’ll be the first to admit I disagreed with his tactics today. However, his overall job and his tactical wins outweigh games like this. I’ll still class Brendan as a top manager.

[Farrington fox 874]

10 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I always think people who say tiredness or fatigue can never be used as an excuse, have most likely never played any form of competitive sport 

I agree. This season is relentless, the fact the games are played in empty lifeless soulless stadiums certainly doesn’t help either. At least 13 games left, then the bloody Euro’s.   It never ends! There should be a 2 week break in January. 

[Dames 990]

16 minutes ago, Corky said:

Do you think people would've accepted playing the reserves today? Of course not. Ideally we'd play the same 14/16 in every game but it won't happen.

 

Form wise we're doing ok. In the last six games we've got the same points total as Man United. We've had a bad week. We need a result on Wednesday to settle things down.

I think if we won midweek people would be more accepting of it. We know we aren’t going to win the league this season so why not give the cup a proper go. Its just going to be a case of what might have been. 

[Dames 990]

52 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I appreciate we don't get European football every season but we're in a great position in the league to ensure we get it next season, too. Consistency in qualifying for European football each season will only serve us better for the future. I'd love to think we'd be in a better position to handle Europe next season should we qualify. And by that, I mean hopefully a decent transfer window, a proper pre-season and a less hectic schedule to cram in with no COVID-impacted football.

 

I think the 2nd bit is a bit presumptuous. Even if it is the case, why should that stop anyone trying to back him and getting the best out of him while he's here?

 

Could the same not be said of some players in that scenario - Fofana, Youri, Ricardo, Soyuncu. Is it not a 'marriage of convenience' for them to be here and be ambitious enough to want to go to bigger clubs?

I don’t think it stops people backing but with someone as openly ambitious as Rodgers who apparently left his dream job to manage us people will always be a bit skeptical when they are so invested in the club. 
 

It is also exactly the same with players. Look how Mahrez is regarded by some of our fanbase despite being a huge huge part of delivering the impossible. The same can be said for Drinkwater and to a smaller extent, Kante. Players who contributed less like Maguire and Chilwell are also poorly regarded by a lot of fans. 
 

I think it goes a way to explaining some of the attitudes towards Rodgers for sure. 

[Arriba Los Zorros 2,604]

41 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

If you don't believe in tiredness and fatigue.

 

Ask yourself when you next fly on a plane would you be happy to have a pilot who not had a day off for 6 weeks?

Great analogy this.

People say 'ahhh they're professional athletes they should be able to play 3 times a week' blah blah blah well 1) to 'play' means to PERFORM to an unbelievable standard not just turn up 2) mental fatigue is a thing, it has affected all of us and work and left us going through the motions and it's the same for these lads.

Aka get off your ****ing high horses and recognise the expectations are different than turning up to a Sunday league game with mates. It's a career and we all have off days and we would have many more if asked to work all weekend too for an extended period.

 

 

[Koke 7,999]

3 hours ago, STUHILL said:

Disagree. Think he will be here for another 2 years minimum. Top needs to give him some funds in the summer though. 

 

If a bigger club offered him a job he'd be gone quicker than he left Celtic. And that's OK. It's definitely a marriage of convenience. 

[STUHILL 2,921]

1 minute ago, Koke said:

 

If a bigger club offered him a job he'd be gone quicker than he left Celtic. And that's OK. It's definitely a marriage of convenience. 

Mr Optimism strikes again 

 

Agree to disagree. 

[Koke 7,999]

I'm pro Rodgers and to my knowledge nobody is saying Rodgers Out. He gets heaps of praise when he get things right which he has done a lot. So it'd be nice if people were allowed to criticise him when he gets things wrong or loses games he shouldn't.

[STUHILL 2,921]

2 minutes ago, Koke said:

I'm pro Rodgers and to my knowledge nobody is saying Rodgers Out. He gets heaps of praise when he get things right which he has done a lot. So it'd be nice if people were allowed to criticise him when he gets things wrong or loses games he shouldn't.

You are allowed. You have been doing so all day. No bans here for criticising. Keep going and enjoy! 

[Koke 7,999]

1 minute ago, STUHILL said:

You are allowed. You have been doing so all day. No bans here for criticising. Keep going and enjoy! 

 

No. But people like you are getting on folks backs all day.