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The system was kind of forced but the personnel used in hindsight was wrong. Luke Thomas ought to have been on the bench at the bare minimum as although he has weaknesses his ability going forward was something we badly needed today with so little in the middle to disrupt the shape of the opposition, that is I tegral to how we normally play. Likewise Iheanacho is pretty essential in a 3-4-1-2 when we might have to contend with a low block but worst of all was our defending. Soyuncu and Evans were a fcukin disgrace today.

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3 minutes ago, sishades said:

A bit unfair considering he was the only midfielder on the pitch and had Perez as a partner.

Fair point, but he is not the sort of player who can change a game. I didn't think he did too bad, he was about the best of a poor bunch. 

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Credit to them, player well and exploited our weaknesses perfectly.

 

Some perspective though, we are missing 3 of our 4 best CM’s and a world class player in Ricardo. That particular combination all missing will hamper us.

 

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2 minutes ago, shen said:

It's usually to play intricate combination football around the edge of the penalty box and play through balls down the channels to our attacking fullbacks/Barnes/Vardy.

That's an easy plan when you are dominating. What if the opposing team is stong?

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They set up superb and looked dangerous every time on the counter, the 3rd goal is from us going for it a bit more so I can forgive that, the 1st and 2nd goal were so avoidable though, bad day at the office, fully deserved for them

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Well that was hard work. Top marks for WHU - they had a plan and executed it superbly. The best I’ve seen them look, in terms of organisation, in a very long time time. We were ponderous. We simply have to move the ball quicker than that. Individually and collectively, we were very poor. Pass marks for Youri and Mendy, who at least tried and showed something of their talent. Everyone else was below par. Barnes invisible. Perez is a waste of a shirt and Justin is not a reliable PL left-back any time soon, I’m starting to think. 

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The perfect away performance from West Ham. Completely denied us any space and were excellent defensively. They then had pace and power on the break. Not enough quality from our midfield to break it down and our system failed once they got two ahead.

A bit of perspective is that we were missing quite a few of our standout players: N’didi; Maddison, Ricardo along with Praet who’d started the season so well. That, lack of quality, really showed today when we needed to chase the game and also exposed our lack of depth compared to the other sides who finished last season in the top six.

Very poor performance, but hopefully the international break gives us a chance to sort things out and get a few players back.

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1 minute ago, copunk said:

They set up superb and looked dangerous every time on the counter, the 3rd goal is from us going for it a bit more so I can forgive that, the 1st and 2nd goal were so avoidable though, bad day at the office, fully deserved for them

They weren’t set up superb they just did what teams need to do against us. We cannot defend crosses into the box and we leave Evans and Soyunchu will be left exposed so we are easy to hit on the break. So what did West Ham do? Sit in and when they can, cross and counter. 
 

I want Rodgers to actually make us look solid even if it means being boring for a bit. If not we are going down the table fast - the amount we concede cannot continue

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12 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

Very bad day at the office that. Ponderous and wasteful in possession and awful defending. Particularly against crosses. Showed our squad limitations up a bit there. When is Wilf, Madders and Riccy P back. I miss them.

And Praet. He's been a key reason we've looked so good since the start of the season. His mobility and interplay with Tielemans and Castagne has meant we haven't really missed Maddison - until today.

 

10 minutes ago, oxtonfox said:

Brendan after the match. "I thought we lacked intensity, in parts. They are a good side....,  we kept the ball well, (but) it was that clinical final pass that let us down. But we have a good set of lads, we'll go away and werrrlk hard on the training pitch" 

 

Usual tosh. but Brendan, you didn't change it in the second half until it was too late, again! 

But he's exactly right. Loads of times first half we failed to deliver a quality through ball when there was oceans of space in behind. Time and time again the passes were underhit and imprecise or we chose the wrong passing option. We also did lack the 'intensity' and speed, again, often caused by imprecise passes, poor reading of movement and poor first touches, where Perez unfortunately was one of the worst culprits.

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4 minutes ago, ScrumpyJack said:

  

 

Not buying this anti-Rodgers agenda at all.

 

Soyuncu and Evans did not perform; what is Rodgers meant to do? Employ Danny Ward as an emergency centre back? We struggled making cutting passes to feed Vardy, probably because Maddison and Praet are both injured, Tielemans having to play deeper due to the defence's weakness stopped him from properly influencing the game - which he has struggled to do consistently for some time.

 

The players are accountable for this, just as they were accountable for the win last week. The Rodgers hate train is pathetic and is seemingly symptomatic of our success in recent years. We had a bad game, we move on.

Hate is a strong word, mate. Rodgers was tactically out-thought today. Setting up like we did against Man City away for a home game against West Ham is hard to fathom. I think he must put his hand up and protect his players by accepting responsibility. He set them up for that today. 

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8 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

No one knows what our plan was today, least of all the players.

 

Totally disjointed performance from all involved and West Ham deserved to win by more.

 

Awful.

I can see that today's game is somehow an exception? This chaos plan won't payback no way.

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Just now, kristianity77 said:

What did he say? 

They were not good enough, didn't deserve to win. Defence poor and not aggressive. Really missed dennis and madders.  Arms folded and he looked cross. Glad to see that from him, not the monotone media talk.

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Just now, Major Singh Chail said:

Brendan is a real fudda and players all played like bondi

Haha ya. He has his moments where he gets it so right and then so, so wrong. At times its shocking to be honest but he is our fudda lol

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Think there are too many overreactions here, just as there were last week.

 

A couple of shit defensive mistakes (Soyuncu in a 3 at the back needs to go in the bin for a while) that were well punished, and then it's very difficult to recover without much creativity on the pitch against that defensive setup.

 

I don't understand the fascination with pinning Barnes and Perez against their back three, we do it far too often. They were always going to restrict Justin and Castagne, so you have to drop at least one of Perez or Barnes back to pick the ball up from deep and drive with it. Perez picked up some handy positions in space between midfield and defence in the first ten minutes and then he stopped doing it, very strange. We certainly miss the ability to dribble from deep that Maddison brings.

 

9 points from four is very good, we've broken our big team curse, players continue to return from injury. We move on

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Just now, Hales said:

They were not good enough, didn't deserve to win. Defence poor and not aggressive. Really missed dennis and madders.  Arms folded and he looked cross. Glad to see that from him, not the monotone media talk.

Good.  He comes across like he wants to be everyone's mate most of the time but he's the manager.  When players put in a shift like that he needs to do his job and bollock them rather than sugar coat everything 

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