"Project Big Picture"

[AndyK 26]

1 minute ago, Corky said:

Let's not forget that it was only a week ago that B teams were suggested to take up places in the EFL.

 

I think that's Soriano's opinion of something that would help Manchester City bring through younger players as he's used to that structure; I suspect any Spanish exec would have the same opinion. It was also deliberately and disingenuously linked to other things by the snake Simon Stone at the BBC, when it was part of a Q&A big sport conference, but then the BBC social media arm hired someone from MU, and Stone is a fully paid up stooge.

 

Context aside, I don't think it should happen here though, as it would increase the hoarding that occurs with loan armies. The academy EPPP stitch-up was quite bad enough from the ever benevolent PL.

[Jobyfox 899]

1 hour ago, turtmcfly said:

 

Hmmm... how I would describe the overlap between this 'historic top six' and the current (apparently transitory) 'financial big six'?

 

 

Combined Totals of English Men's Clubs

	FIFA and UEFA			FA, EFL and PL (top-qualifying)				Total
Club	Cups	Super Cups	Total	League	Cups	Super Cups	Total	League	Cups	Super Cups	Total
Manchester United	6	2	8	20	17	21	58	20	23	23	66
Liverpool	10	4	14	19	16[a]	16	51	19	26	20	65
Arsenal	2	—	2	13	17	16	46	13	19	16	48
Chelsea	5	1	6	6	15	4	25	6	20	5	31
Manchester City	1	—	1	6	13	6	25	6	14	6	26
Tottenham Hotspur	3	—	3	2	12	9[b]	23	2	15	9	26

Well a few things - show me that table 50 years ago, 25 years ago and 10 years ago. Then you might be able to define ‘historic’ top six. 

 

These tables  also assume trophies carry equal weighting - personally I don’t. I’d put European Cups and League Titles in a bracket above the FA Cup and an FA Cup above a league cup.

 

But all of the above is really my point about subjective measures versus the only one that matters in terms of the motivation behind this - money! 

Edited 14 October 2020 by Jobyfox

[st albans fox 8,284]

14 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Liverpool and Man Utd were asked to apologies but refused to, hiding behind the concept that it was just 'an idea... leaked in the public domain'. 

 

Sorry but that doesn't wash with me. Cowards. 

so it was just an idea that got leaked ……………..parry was involved and he went public after the weekend pushing the thing - so much so that the EFL voted on it yesterday - if it was just a brainstorming idea, why wouldn't parry have distanced himself from it saying exactly that. ……... and this is the 18th version - just how bad could number 1 have been !!!!!!!

[Long Eaton Fox 408]

Well I hope the conniving back stabbing disgraces that are liverpool and manchester get payback for this. They've made themselves look the money grabbing selfish arseholes that they really are.

[volpeazzurro 3,449]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

The Government made a big thing in the summer about the Premier League returning to lift the spirits of the nation (whether you agree or not) and the Football League returned with the expectation that crowds in some form would be back in early October. That hasn't happened. The Government then say it is up to the Premier League to support them whilst simultaneously restricting their trade by not allowing spectators at all, all the while saying how pivotal the clubs are to their communities and how important the pyramid is.

 

Simon Jordan speaks very well on this and believes a loan with low interest and conditions that can be repaid in time whilst the game gets itself in order.

 

It is ridiculous, too, that the only seemingly viable source of money for the EFL is this ludicrous plan. Parry has also done very well in suppressing the news that two more clubs will exit League Two into non-league if this ever happened. The 92 would be reduced deliberately rather than clubs going to the wall anyway.

 

Pathetic all round for me.

The government may have had many aspirations but no government in the world could predict what a pandemic will do in the medium and long term. 

 

I didn't hear Simon Jordans plan but he nearly always talks realistic sense when I hear him and speaks his mind. The only flaw is any loan plan is that other none football businesses could quite rightly say that they too should be considered eligible for a loan. Who makes the decision regarding which businesses are more important than another, because there sure isn't enough money in the coffers to finance them all. Let's not forget that much of the money being used by the government at the moment is itself borrowed money that has at some stage to be repaid. I see the financing of football in the leisure industry, however important it is to us as individuals, being way down in the pecking order. The truth of the matter is, whatever any mealy mouthed politician might claim,  there are many businesses going to go to the wall and many people made unemployed all over the world. It's the nature of the beast sadly. 

[AndyK 26]

13 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

so it was just an idea that got leaked ……………..parry was involved and he went public after the weekend pushing the thing - so much so that the EFL voted on it yesterday - if it was just a brainstorming idea, why wouldn't parry have distanced himself from it saying exactly that. ……... and this is the 18th version - just how bad could number 1 have been !!!!!!!

 I thought the same - it was clearly a bust early on, but Parry was everywhere.

 

And yes, the 18th revision!!

[yorkie1999 4,445]

You have to feel for the championship clubs that were in favour of the idea only to be told the clubs that had actually dangled the carrot the voted against it. It's like saying how about  £250 million....yes please.....no sorry you're not having it. Kick a man when he's down. 

[fox766 96]

1 minute ago, AndyK said:

 I thought the same - it was clearly a bust early on, but Parry was everywhere.

 

And yes, the 18th revision!!

V1.0 was probably a good idea with just about everyone benefitting. But obviously they don't like equality. So took another 17 attempts to get something they liked only really benefited them.

 

[urban.spaceman 31,515]

 

[Ric Flair 20,151]

Out of interest how long has it been since the Premier League was more of an even footing on television money and voting? Has it always been this way? 

[davieG 17,018]

Project Big Puncture

 

 

[Solihullfox 167]

Give it a few weeks and Parry, Liverpool and Manchester United will be proclaiming themselves as the saviours of football in this country. They will no doubt put forward the idea that they needed to put suggest obviously farcical proposals to force the other premier league clubs go the table and into doing something to help the EFL survive

[ALC Fox 1,326]

'Brainstorming' 

 

[Aus Fox 7,998]

Actually shows how big it was Susan Whelan and the club voting against PPV.

Here Man Utd and Liverpool haven’t even got the balls to vote for their own idea, so to sit in that room and vote against the block is an incredibly tough thing to do.

Well done Susan

[StanSP 25,906]

49 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

They wouldn't have won the league without those clubs making up the numbers so in effect, they should actually be thanking us!

[SouthStandUpperTier 5,407]

51 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

[Chrysalis 872]

Glad this nonsense has been shutdown, but I have observed some lower league fans are seeing as the bottom 14 of the EPL as greedy now, and blocking help.

 

What they dont realise is that if this went through, there was plans to scrap the international tv deals and have clubs sell individual rights instead, this obviously would have more than compensated the big 6, and the other 14 were probably facing overall circa 40-50% drops in revenue.

 

Plus not to mention the new voting rights, vetoing of club takeovers etc.  A very horrible power grab attempt by Americans.

Edited 14 October 2020 by Chrysalis

[Corky 12,750]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

That's fair enough. Give up your TV money to the lower leagues you want to benevolently support and go and find another league to play in.

[Wymsey 4,557]

At least this absurd idea was rejected almost immediately.

Perhaps this rejected proposals can make the lower-league clubs come together more to outline their need for financial assistance from the 'heavens' of top-flight football.

[Dahnsouff 5,151]

Before we celebrate the rightful demise of Project Big Picture, it’s worth noting that it is the other 14 rather than the big 6/troublesome 2 that will be cursed and reviled should any of the EFL clubs go to the wall.

This does not feel over in the long term to me, the seed has been sown, the job this leak was ever going  to do has been done.

[foxile5 2,396]

21 hours ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

So it's more the cultural aspect that you have an issue with?

 

I'll say this. Henry would never try to pull this shit in an American sports league. The only reason he's trying it over here is because football is already structured so unequally, both financially and politically, in favour of big clubs like his.

No. Its not the cultural aspect per say. Its the idea that the American way is the right way because of the financial benefits to an elite group. 

 

Football in England is a societal possession. Its a community driven product. We ought to cherish that, not change that. 

[SouthStandUpperTier 5,407]

6 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

No. Its not the cultural aspect per say. Its the idea that the American way is the right way because of the financial benefits to an elite group. 

 

Football in England is a societal possession. Its a community driven product. We ought to cherish that, not change that. 

It isn't though. Not at the highest level anyway, not for about 28 years now.

[Always Next Year 282]

The FA and the Prem League now need to call these American Scum to the head masters office  and tell them to wind there fcuking necks in or fcuk off back to America and stick to playing baseball.

[StanSP 25,906]

EFL don't seem to totally distance themselves from Project Big Picture...

 

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Financial Support Package

The EFL will meet with all EFL Clubs on Thursday to discuss the proposed financial support put forward today by the Premier League.

The Premier League has written to the EFL in respect of a ‘much needed support package’ and provided details of an approved £50m grant and loan facility for League One and Two Clubs only. 

In addition, the Premier League has requested further discussions with the EFL regarding the nature of this proposal and also on future, potential loan funding for Championship Clubs in COVID-19 distress.

The League will be not be commenting further until it has discussed the elements of the proposal with its membership. 

Project Big Picture

The EFL notes the position of the Premier League in respect of today’s discussions with its Clubs regarding the Project Big Picture proposals. 

As we have maintained across the past 72 hours, there is a significant issue facing the English footballing Pyramid and therefore it is encouraging that there is an acknowledgment that a review of the current status quo is required, with a strategic plan to be developed to consider the future of the football.

While by no means a finished product, Project Big Picture was developed to consider these same issues and address the challenges facing football from top to bottom. 

The EFL welcomes the opportunity to contribute to any wider debate with colleagues across the game as we seek to finally address impossible economic pressures and deliver on the objective of having a sustainable EFL in the long-term.

 

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/october/efl-statement-financial-support-and-project-big-picture/

[foxile5 2,396]

12 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

It isn't though. Not at the highest level anyway, not for about 28 years now.

Maybe you're right. But that doesn't mean it ought to be decimated further to appease what seems to be American financiers. 

 

I dunno man. I've just been seeing football become more and more American and I think it won't stop until we have franchise style football teams.