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15 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Milik is pump. 

 

He's managed double figures once ever outside the Eredivisie and that's in five years, he's been inconsistent with both injuries and finishing. He's not even registered for their league squad this year is he? 

 

And about to turn 27, with Vards having maybe two years left in him as first choice, Milik is going to be pushing thirty by the time he gets near regular starting. 

 

It means he's always just going to be an option. Now, the people claiming that's fine because we need a plan B and 7m is cheap, ask yourself what we'll actually be paying him weekly and remind yourself how significant it is we just got another striker off the books that we were paying a fortune to. 

 

Edouard is a better age, is no more a risk or an unknown, would probably command less wages and is probably a bit more versatile. That and neither are a priority over a wide forward if Under isn't the man for Brendan. 

 

Wow, where to start? 

 

First off, why discount his goals in the Eredivisie? Why does his goal tally only matter outside of Holland? It cant be because it's a lower quality, not when you then go on to suggest Eduoard...

Secondly, what season are we talking about his double figures? The 18/19 season or the 19/20 season? He hit double figures in both. It's also worth noting that the two seasons he DIDN'T hit double figures in Italy, he played considerably less, averaging 1 goal in every 3 games. Yes, he hasn't been included in their squad this year but that's down to refusing to sign a new contract, nothing performance related so not really of relevance. 

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22 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

First off, why discount his goals in the Eredivisie? Why does his goal tally only matter outside of Holland? It cant be because it's a lower quality, not when you then go on to suggest Eduoard...

 

Because Edouard hasn't had the opportunity to step up and Milik has, an opportunity he hasn't taken. If Edouard moves to a major league and underperforms, I'd use exactly the same stats.

 

And I apologise, you're right, he scored all of eleven league goals in 19/20. Wow. 

 

And why he did he not get more? Because of three separate instances of injury, yet again. 

 

He's absolutely bang average and we'd end up lumping hundred grand a week for four or five years for him to come in and contribute little more than Perez or Iheanacho do. 

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Milik is a funny one. I just don't know what to think.

 

Edouard feels like it will happen as others have commented; the stars seem to be aligning. I really expected Benkovic to go there (with us paying the wages) as part of any deal though. That obviously didn't happen.

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Edouard i think is the best option out there for us. Can come in and understudy to Vardy in the twilight of his career but will still know he'll get game time as he can play on the wing. We (hopefully) get the replacement we need up top and another option out wide all in one.

 

If he's available at a knock down price than what was quoted in the summer we should be all over it

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12 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Because Edouard hasn't had the opportunity to step up and Milik has, an opportunity he hasn't taken. If Edouard moves to a major league and underperforms, I'd use exactly the same stats.

 

And I apologise, you're right, he scored all of eleven league goals in 19/20. Wow. 

 

And why he did he not get more? Because of three separate instances of injury, yet again. 

 

He's absolutely bang average and we'd end up lumping hundred grand a week for four or five years for him to come in and contribute little more than Perez or Iheanacho do. 

38 in 93 in Italy is hardly "underperforming" and in direct comparisson to the 53 goals in 96 games that Eduoard has in a far weaker league (it's not being disrespectful, it's being honest) I don't think the differance is massive. 

 

You compared Milik to Slimani but I put it to you that Eduoard could very well be just another Nacho in that asking a young, fairly inexperienced player for consistency whilst getting limited and sporadic game time is incredibly harsh on them. My argument has always been for a more experienced, mature player that can be counted on when needed. 

 

(Also, it doesn't matter that it was only 11. The point is, you started your entire argument off with a claim that was inaccurate. Hardly a decent starting point to punch home your point)

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45 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

First off, why discount his goals in the Eredivisie? Why does his goal tally only matter outside of Holland? It cant be because it's a lower quality, not when you then go on to suggest Eduoard...

 

1) He hasn't reproduced the same goal form since

2) There are numerous examples of Eredivisie high scorers not cutting it in England (Kezman, Alves, van Wolfswinkel, Nilis, Tomasson, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Luuk and Siem de Jong, Tadic (arguably), Lens, etc.). There is reason to treat his numbers there with a grain of salt, even more considering how long ago it is.

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6 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

You compared Milik to Slimani but I put it to you that Eduoard could very well be just another Nacho in that asking a young, fairly inexperienced player for consistency whilst getting limited and sporadic game time is incredibly harsh on them. My argument has always been for a more experienced, mature player that can be counted on when needed.

But having Milik play second fiddle to Vardy for 1-2 years (which I think already makes any potential deal dead in the water - Milik will want to be a key player) would cost a fortune, while there's arguably more potential for less money with Edouard. Your concerns about a striker getting limited game time and being reliable are legit, but that goes for both Milik (who's already struggling with injury setbacks) as well as Edouard.

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4 minutes ago, snoopy87 said:

Edouard i think is the best option out there for us. Can come in and understudy to Vardy in the twilight of his career but will still know he'll get game time as he can play on the wing. We (hopefully) get the replacement we need up top and another option out wide all in one.

 

If he's available at a knock down price than what was quoted in the summer we should be all over it

I wouldn't count on that too much. I certainly couldn't remember many incidents where he's played out wide. Maybe one or two. 

 

I done a bit of digging and it appears he's played there about 10 times for Celtic, mostly when he first arrived but I definately wouldnt sign him with the view of covering out wide. 

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2 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

You compared Milik to Slimani but I put it to you that Eduoard could very well be just another Nacho in that asking a young, fairly inexperienced player for consistency whilst getting limited and sporadic game time is incredibly harsh on them. My argument has always been for a more experienced, mature player that can be counted on when needed. 

 

See, on paper I don't fundamentally disagree with any of that. In fact, I agree entirely when it comes to Iheanacho. 

 

The problem is that when you bring in an experienced striker like that, particularly someone like Milik who should be in his prime, you're either bringing in someone with problems or you're bringing in someone expensive. 

 

There's a reason we sign very few players in their prime, yes it means we take a lot of risks on young players but that's where we have to trust our scouting, that's done very well so far. A club in our position makes it's success by signing upwardly mobile youngsters that we can flip and eventually profit from. Players who will improve and take us forward whilst here and then be sold to help advance us further when they leave. 

 

Milik doesn't fit this profile and whilst the fee would be cheap, I highly doubt all the extras would be. If we were talking about some 31 year old signing a one or two year contract on the cheap to bring some experience and cover in to the squad that's one thing, a Kevin Phillips style signing, no problem. But that's not where Milik is in his career. 

 

He's more than likely looking around for a chance to be The Man having not quite seen his dream at Napoli live up to expectation and I doubt he's going to be happy if he rocks up here and finds he's never going to be first choice. Anyone with any sense is going to see the risk of that in advance and want to be compensated accordingly. 

 

I'm pretty confident it's not going to happen anyway because it doesn't fit our profile of a signing at all, so this is all moot. But regardless of your (justified) concerns over the challenges of signing a younger player to backup and eventually replace Vardy, it's something we WILL need to do in the near future. I don't think letting the disappointment of Nacho stop us doing so moving forward is constructive. 

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10 minutes ago, shen said:

1) He hasn't reproduced the same goal form since

2) There are numerous examples of Eredivisie high scorers not cutting it in England (Kezman, Alves, van Wolfswinkel, Nilis, Tomasson, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Luuk and Siem de Jong, Tadic (arguably), Lens, etc.). There is reason to treat his numbers there with a grain of salt, even more considering how long ago it is.

That argument could be made for pretty much any league in the world. There are always going to be hits and misses. You've listed the flops but some of the best attacking players that the EPL has saw have also came from Holland, like RVP, Van Nistelrooy,  Suarez, Robben, Bergkamp, Hasselbaink, Kuyt....

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10 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

See, on paper I don't fundamentally disagree with any of that. In fact, I agree entirely when it comes to Iheanacho. 

 

The problem is that when you bring in an experienced striker like that, particularly someone like Milik who should be in his prime, you're either bringing in someone with problems or you're bringing in someone expensive. 

 

There's a reason we sign very few players in their prime, yes it means we take a lot of risks on young players but that's where we have to trust our scouting, that's done very well so far. A club in our position makes it's success by signing upwardly mobile youngsters that we can flip and eventually profit from. Players who will improve and take us forward whilst here and then be sold to help advance us further when they leave. 

 

Milik doesn't fit this profile and whilst the fee would be cheap, I highly doubt all the extras would be. If we were talking about some 31 year old signing a one or two year contract on the cheap to bring some experience and cover in to the squad that's one thing, a Kevin Phillips style signing, no problem. But that's not where Milik is in his career. 

 

He's more than likely looking around for a chance to be The Man having not quite seen his dream at Napoli live up to expectation and I doubt he's going to be happy if he rocks up here and finds he's never going to be first choice. Anyone with any sense is going to see the risk of that in advance and want to be compensated accordingly. 

 

I'm pretty confident it's not going to happen anyway because it doesn't fit our profile of a signing at all, so this is all moot. But regardless of your (justified) concerns over the challenges of signing a younger player to backup and eventually replace Vardy, it's something we WILL need to do in the near future. I don't think letting the disappointment of Nacho stop us doing so moving forward is constructive. 

A very reasonable argument. 

 

The difference in my opinion is that i think we ultimately disagree on how much playing time this second striker should get. I think your looking at him as an understudy to Vardy, getting 15 mins at the end of games and the odd start here and there. 

I personally think that after this season, we should be looking at fading Vardy out more and more. Vardy is an absolute freak in respect to what he can do at his age. I feel that to preserve him and prolong his career here, we should be looking at someone to take far more responsibility of being the main striker (wether that's Milik or not) far sooner than I think most on here are. Potetially, we could have Vardy at this level of performance for another 4 years if he maybe starts half as much and plays 60 minutes per game rather than 90. Imagine Vardy coming on for the last 20 minutes of games?

 

Ultimately, you're looking for the perfect super sub, I think we already have him in Vardy. What we need is the perfect ready made replacement. 

 

As for french Eddy, I do actually like him. 6 months ago, I would have jumped at the opportunity. Since then I think a fair whiff of doubt has understandably creeped in due to his recent performances. Either he's had a massive drop of form or he's downed tools but there has been times I've saw him this year and he's looked nowhere near the quality we need but like I said, I like him and hope that it's just a blip.

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I just think Edouard fit our recent recruitment profile more, and I think his more likely to be willing to be Vardy's understudy then Milik.

 

Before people say Edouard has only done it in the SPL, I suggest they have a look at Tierney performances for Arsenal.

 

For what its worth I'd take both of them over Nacho.

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35 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I just think Edouard fit our recent recruitment profile more, and I think his more likely to be willing to be Vardy's understudy then Milik.

 

Before people say Edouard has only done it in the SPL, I suggest they have a look at Tierney performances for Arsenal.

 

For what its worth I'd take both of them over Nacho.

.. perhaps suffering from long Covid and struggling to cope at this moment!!!

 Probably just speculation but it could be a condition that sees him unable to perform at the height he once did.

  

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9 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

That argument could be made for pretty much any league in the world. There are always going to be hits and misses. You've listed the flops but some of the best attacking players that the EPL has saw have also came from Holland, like RVP, Van Nistelrooy,  Suarez, Robben, Bergkamp, Hasselbaink, Kuyt....

Yes, but notice the difference in destination clubs for the flops and successes. It suggests that the top clubs see the top talent in the Eredivisie and snap them up. The question marks are gambled on by the mid-tier PL clubs. There is a reason Milik is at Napoli (with respect, a good and big club but not quite Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. 


Again, I don't disagree with your arguments and you're right that one could probably make similar lists for any league in the world. The difference is that because of some high-profile successes coming from the Eredivisie and Ajax/PSV/Feyenoord historically developing many players for European top clubs, English fans tend to rate players from the Eredivisie higher than say the Allsvenskan, Scottish PL, Superlig, Ekstraklasa, Jupiler League etc. The numerous failed gambles suggests that being a competent goal scorer in the Eredivisie doesn't mean they can cut it at PL level.

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Here's the 5 strikers I'd be looking at this month, all available for less than £20m and some dirt cheap.

 

1) Kaio Jorge - turns 18 before the end of January and contract up this year. Brazilian wonderkid who would get a work permit based on the required points criteria. The fee would be low given the contract situation

 

2) Boulaye Dia - absolute machine this season for a crap Reims team. Very similar story to Jamie Vardy as he had a full time job in his late teens/early 20's (still only 24). Versatile forward who seems very progressive and has a £12.5m release clause. Ligue 1 is on its arse anyway and might get him even cheaper.

 

3) Edouard - the obvious one. Seems like he badly needs a new start. Rodgers loves him, he looks ideal for us and even if we are very kind to Celtic we get him for £20m or less paid over installments.

 

4) Folarin Balogun - set to leave Arsenal when his contract expires in the summer. Devastating at academy level and scored and assisted a few in the Europa this season. I suggested him in the summer when Brentford tried to sign him but were put off by the £8m price tag. They won't get that for him now, especially when he can walk away for free to a European club. He's the right age to play 2nd fiddle to Vardy.

 

5) Amine Gouri - 6 goals and 3 assists at Nice this season. Prolific at youth level for France but can play for Algeria and is quite similar in profile to Harvey Barnes but more developed as a striker that can also be deployed wide left. 

 

The pipe dream is Patson Daka but I'm not even going to ever get my hopes up. Available for £20-25m supposedly and an absolute monster of a striker.

I’m with you on Dake. Time to pen an open letter to the club haha. Let them know we are on it ;)

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34 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Here's the 5 strikers I'd be looking at this month, all available for less than £20m and some dirt cheap.

 

1) Kaio Jorge - turns 18 before the end of January and contract up this year. Brazilian wonderkid who would get a work permit based on the required points criteria. The fee would be low given the contract situation

 

2) Boulaye Dia - absolute machine this season for a crap Reims team. Very similar story to Jamie Vardy as he had a full time job in his late teens/early 20's (still only 24). Versatile forward who seems very progressive and has a £12.5m release clause. Ligue 1 is on its arse anyway and might get him even cheaper.

 

3) Edouard - the obvious one. Seems like he badly needs a new start. Rodgers loves him, he looks ideal for us and even if we are very kind to Celtic we get him for £20m or less paid over installments.

 

4) Folarin Balogun - set to leave Arsenal when his contract expires in the summer. Devastating at academy level and scored and assisted a few in the Europa this season. I suggested him in the summer when Brentford tried to sign him but were put off by the £8m price tag. They won't get that for him now, especially when he can walk away for free to a European club. He's the right age to play 2nd fiddle to Vardy.

 

5) Amine Gouri - 6 goals and 3 assists at Nice this season. Prolific at youth level for France but can play for Algeria and is quite similar in profile to Harvey Barnes but more developed as a striker that can also be deployed wide left. 

 

The pipe dream is Patson Daka but I'm not even going to ever get my hopes up. Available for £20-25m supposedly and an absolute monster of a striker.

Let’s just sign Patson Daka and be done with it! Ticks all the boxes and just makes perfect sense. It’s too easy tho for us so we won’t sign him and he will end up at Newcastle or Fulham.

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Milik will be expecting a large chunk for signing on fee and big wages, plus coming from Napoli I suspect he will think he's doing us a favour in being here. We don't tend to fare too well with these types of signings and given the debatable recent form, it's a no from me.

 

Edouard makes more sense as he will (presumably) want to come to Leicester to step up his career, and we have an opportunity to improve a young player. That said, and I will be honest, I haven't seen much of him, but what I have seen... doesn't make me jump out of my seat. I'm not expecting him to get 20+ goals a season, but I am unsure if he will be given the opportunities needed to make it worthwhile him being here.

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