crisp packet 562 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 3 minutes ago, Nick said: I agree with just about all of that - especially in regards to Wilf’s many superior attributes. There for me is just one problem. Look at the way we have been playing with a DCM that can hold, pass (forward and not just lay off) have skill on and create space off the ball. In terms of movement and with ball at feet Mendy is an entirely different level to Wilf. We need both for different situations and styles of set up. I agree we need both . “Horses for courses “ but if it was a straight up question between the two ? Wilf was asked to play as a single pivot ? Mendi is playing as a two with Youri . No reason why wilf could not do the same as mendi in this different formation ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dahnsouff 5,773 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Reframe the question, who is likely to be here longer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy 23,582 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 8 hours ago, King of Gipsy Lane said: Mandy is unplayable and un-droppable right now Well you came and you gave without taking But I sent you away, oh Mandy Well you kissed me and stopped me from shaking And I need you today, oh Mandy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 8,685 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 2 minutes ago, crisp packet said: I agree we need both . “Horses for courses “ but if it was a straight up question between the two ? Wilf was asked to play as a single pivot ? Mendi is playing as a two with Youri . No reason why wilf could not do the same as mendi in this different formation ? Well there’s the question. Which formation / choice of DCM facilitates Youri and Maddison on the pitch together being able to get forward more? Pro’s and cons to both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 6,590 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 If it’s strongest 11 then you have to play N’Didi. There’s no defensive midfielder like Wilf in the league, the only thing Mendy has over him is he’s better on the ball, he’s a massive player for us. Mendy has been brilliant so far and arguably our player of the season so far. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gazza M 686 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 I don't think any of the players missing walk back in to a team that is on the run this lot are on currently. They will have to wait. It is only fair in my view so Mendy keeps the jersey at the min. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Captain... 7,834 Posted 11 November 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 6 minutes ago, Bert said: If it’s strongest 11 then you have to play N’Didi. There’s no defensive midfielder like Wilf in the league, the only thing Mendy has over him is he’s better on the ball, he’s a massive player for us. Mendy has been brilliant so far and arguably our player of the season so far. Yes and no, individually Wilf is better but it's a team game and Mendy and Youri work better than Wilf and Youri. I've said before 4141 Wilf is the 1 hands down. 4231, 343, 3421, 442 I'd want Mendy and Tielemans in the middle. Mendy doesn't have the stand out characteristics of Ndidi, pace, power, tackling but his passing, control, positioning and "teamwork" are superior. He brings the best out Tielemans. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dahnsouff 5,773 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 What an awful quandary - however will we cope! Both fantastic, Mendy really seized his moment and agree with the @Captain... above, Mendy is the superior team player, but Wilf is literally a one man defensive wall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
King of Gipsy Lane 314 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 32 minutes ago, Izzy said: Well you came and you gave without taking But I sent you away, oh Mandy Well you kissed me and stopped me from shaking And I need you today, oh Mandy Can’t believe it took 8 hours for someone to spot it 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fox92 11,820 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Mendy. He's better/quicker on the ball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol thewall Bamba 8,084 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Ndidi would be the bigger loss long term, if he's on the bench someone will come in for him very quickly and I think he'd strongly consider leaving. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
murphy 6,836 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Wilf is one of my favourite players, a force of nature and for me, he would always be one of the first players down on the team sheet, but even I am coming around to the idea that we might actually be playing better with the quiet efficiency of Mendy in the side? It's a difficult call, but Wilf has been first choice for years, he is statistically phenomenal, he played a huge part in our survival in 2017 and has stayed loyal to us when I am sure that there must have been envious eyes cast in his direction. Would he accept rotating with Mendy and being benched at times? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nnfox 1,247 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 I'd keep Mendy in. The rest of the midfield benefit from having Mendy as a deep lying, ball playing midfielder. Ndidi is a brilliant ball winner but I lose count of how many times he gives it away. If we are looking to dominate possession in games then Mendy has to stay in the team IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxxed 4,291 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Claude Puel rejects your fault dichotomy. He’d have a midfield four of Knight Hamza Ndidi Mendy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPeakFox 11,670 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Hopefully we have enough games and good enough management that both men are happy in the way they are deployed. It might require that we start seeing being 'dropped' as 'tactically rested' - I mean, wouldn't it be nice if Vards could (on occasion) be reliably rested for the good of his longevity? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dusty 73 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Watching us play with Mendy this season makes me think that we invited more pressure when N’didi was playing. He was far less comfortable on the ball and if was pressured I often thought he played the wrong ball or lost possession all together. I certainly don’t think he’s capable of beating the press like Mendy can do. He doesn’t show for possession off the Centre Backs as much as Mendy, which is why Cags and Evans spent so much time passing it between them last season. This often meant that Tielemans and Maddison were having to come very deep to receive the ball off the defenders which then meant there was a big gap between them and Vardy, hence why it seemed we were passing it sideways so much last season. I think Ndidi is the better player overall as his defensive work is genuinely world class, but I don’t think we would have got the results against City and Arsenal had Ndidi been playing instead as Mendy was instrumental in those games and I think Ndidi would have invited even more pressure in those games without being able to provide the pivot between the defence and attack. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain... 7,834 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 The other area Ndidi improves the team is in a high press, again going back to 4141. At the moment we are sitting a little deeper, not quite a low block but certainly deeper lying back 3 and 2 in the middle. Trying to control it a bit more and counter. The 4141 high press suits Ndidi as he has license to hunt the ball, he can win the ball higher up and set attacks going with an easy ball forwards to one of the 4 in front of him. He doesn't need to control the midfield. Mendy looks lost in that formation and it doesn't really suit Tielemans either. Youri's isn't an all action game pressing and chasing the ball. He's more controlled and cultured. Necessity is the mother of invention and we might have stumbled on a formation and personnel that is really effective, but maybe at the expense of Ndidi. Final point Mendy and Ndidi can play together but not in midfield, Ndidi did a great job as a centre half at the start of the season with Mendy in the middle and maybe there is room for him in a back 3. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain... 7,834 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 6 minutes ago, Dusty said: Watching us play with Mendy this season makes me think that we invited more pressure when N’didi was playing. He was far less comfortable on the ball and if was pressured I often thought he played the wrong ball or lost possession all together. I certainly don’t think he’s capable of beating the press like Mendy can do. He doesn’t show for possession off the Centre Backs as much as Mendy, which is why Cags and Evans spent so much time passing it between them last season. This often meant that Tielemans and Maddison were having to come very deep to receive the ball off the defenders which then meant there was a big gap between them and Vardy, hence why it seemed we were passing it sideways so much last season. I think Ndidi is the better player overall as his defensive work is genuinely world class, but I don’t think we would have got the results against City and Arsenal had Ndidi been playing instead as Mendy was instrumental in those games and I think Ndidi would have invited even more pressure in those games without being able to provide the pivot between the defence and attack. Fair points about the second half of the season but first half he was phenomenal in that single pivot role. Then he got injured and by the time he'd returned our season was already heading off the rails. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xen 3,086 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 If it was an either-or decision where one of them would play 100% of the time I genuinely think I'd go for Mendy, which would've been unthinkable prior to this season. He's better on the ball, links the defence and midfield excellently and seems to really bring the best out of the rest of our midfield. It'd be a close decision though. Thankfully, they both play slightly different roles and it means we'll be able to pick the best player for whatever tactic we opt for in a given match. And given that we're hopeful of maintaining our place in the EL/CL for future seasons, we'll have enough games that they can both have plenty of gametime as we manage and utilise the full extent of our squad - the same as we do in attacking midfield for Tielemans/Maddison/Praet, for instance. When those two are fit there's good argument that we have two of the top 3 CDMs in the prem, alongside Kante. Our recruitment has been excellent for the last few years, but to get it so right in one position not just once or twice, but three times is ridiculous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin Russell 385 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 I don’t think we need an either/or debate here. We need a proper squad if we are going to try and battle on multiple fronts in Europe and at home. Mendy has been superb, but I have detected that his energy levels seem to suffer towards the end of games - anyone else see that? He is so intelligent and retains the ball so well; Pappy is integral to the way we break out when we play a more defensive formation. I think Wilf is a huge physical presence and a fantastic asset - he is relentless in tackles and interceptions and a dynamic and unselfish player that is a huge asset to any team. i think we could even play them together to close games out and to contain the attacking threat against some of the top sides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jazzy_Jeff 293 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 I agree with the posts that say it depends on which system we use. Wilf would be great when playing a back 4 as would enable us to have more creativity in front of him due to the ground he covers. Can also fall into a back 3 when we don’t have the ball if needed. When playing three at the back I think he’d be wasted but a great player to bring on to shore things up. Fantastic problem to have though. Would certainly be looking at getting Papy an improved contract in January as he’s definitely earned it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IsItMuzzy 332 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Crazy that in the last 5 years Leicester have had the 3 best DMs in the world... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonthefox 4,032 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 On current form it's almost like asking which of your kids you prefer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tsintskaro 389 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 no one is better than Ndidi in this squad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy Kop Corner 495 Posted 11 November 2020 Report Share Posted 11 November 2020 Wilf for me but I agree with everything everyone's saying about Mendy - Isn't it great to have 2 fantastic players for that defensive midfielder role Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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