Benguin 1,216 Posted 18 November Report Share Posted 18 November Hi, is it possible to ask why the religion thread was deleted? I respect that the forum owners have every right to delete a thread for whatever reason but it would help me understand what content is permissible on the site and then perhaps tailor a discussion that complies with these unwritten rules. thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Countryfox 8,129 Posted 18 November Popular Post Report Share Posted 18 November Moderators move in mysterious ways ..... 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
urban.spaceman 30,510 Posted 18 November Report Share Posted 18 November 5 hours ago, Benguin said: Hi, is it possible to ask why the religion thread was deleted? I respect that the forum owners have every right to delete a thread for whatever reason but it would help me understand what content is permissible on the site and then perhaps tailor a discussion that complies with these unwritten rules. thanks Just move it back to the Coronavirus thread ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fuchsntf 5,336 Posted 18 November Report Share Posted 18 November Some individual seemed bored of it... Of they would of given a decent answer by now.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 8,321 Posted 18 November Report Share Posted 18 November 2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Just move it back to the Coronavirus thread ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No. Don’t. There was enough lunacy in there to begin with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
urban.spaceman 30,510 Posted 18 November Report Share Posted 18 November 40 minutes ago, Nick said: No. Don’t. There was enough lunacy in there to begin with. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post The People's Hero 1,736 Posted 19 November Popular Post Report Share Posted 19 November 17 hours ago, Benguin said: Hi, is it possible to ask why the religion thread was deleted? I respect that the forum owners have every right to delete a thread for whatever reason but it would help me understand what content is permissible on the site and then perhaps tailor a discussion that complies with these unwritten rules. thanks You have to accept in life that there are no definitive answers. You just have to have trust in some higher being that it was done for the right reasons. Faith I think they call it. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yorkie1999 4,239 Posted 19 November Report Share Posted 19 November i was finding it quite interesting, but I think it was probably due to someone calling god a c**t. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the fox 3,872 Posted 19 November Report Share Posted 19 November (edited) It's actually amazing how some posters will go out of their way to get threads deleted because they don't like the topic. They could've just ignored it but I guess seeing other posters were actually asking honest questions and looking for truth got on their nerves. Ben was actually answering multiple people alone and was IMO, respectful. (I would've posted on that thread if I wasn't Banned from GC). Whilst I disagree with his religious views and some of his answers (like what makes God great) (I am a Muslim), we both agree that the creation has a Creator. That's just common sense. Now it just comes down to which religion is the right one. Which one has the best evidence. For me, being a Muslim isn't just a spiritual choice, but also an intellectual choice. From the scripture preservation, to Miracles and prophecies, to the Character of prophet Muhammad pbuh. Islam makes sense. Worship one God, the Creator of creation and pray only to him. No middleman to deliver your prayers to him. or others forgiving your sins because he's the the most merciful, exalted in might. That's a pure and direct relationship between the Creator and his creation. My advice to anyone reading this is to search Islam from the right sources. Allah gave us free will so that everyone answers for his actions and beliefs. The door to Islam is open as long as we are still alive. May Allah guides us all to the right path. Edited 19 November by the fox 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Countryfox 8,129 Posted 19 November Report Share Posted 19 November 24 minutes ago, the fox said: It's actually amazing how some posters will go out of their way to get threads deleted because they don't like the topic. They could've just ignored it but I guess seeing other posters were actually asking honest questions and looking for truth got on their nerves. Ben was actually answering multiple people alone and was IMO, respectful. (I would've posted on that thread if I wasn't Banned from GC). Whilst I disagree with his religious views and some of his answers (like what makes God great) (I am a Muslim), we both agree that the creation has a Creator. That's just common sense. Now it just comes down to which religion is the right one. Which one has the best evidence. For me, being a Muslim isn't just a spiritual choice, but also an intellectual choice. From the scripture preservation, to Miracles and prophecies, to the Character of prophet Muhammad pbuh. Islam makes sense. Worship one God, the Creator of creation and pray only to him. No middleman to deliver your prayers to him. or others forgiving your sins because he's the the most merciful, exalted in might. That's a pure and direct relationship between the Creator and his creation. My advice to anyone reading this is to search Islam from the right sources. Allah gave us free will so that everyone answers for his actions and beliefs. The door to Islam is open as long as we are still alive. May Allah guides us all to the right path. I understand the creator bit Foxy but out of interest who created the creator .. and I’m not being flippant .. just wondered if you have an answer .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benguin 1,216 Posted 19 November Author Report Share Posted 19 November 18 minutes ago, Countryfox said: I understand the creator bit Foxy but out of interest who created the creator .. and I’m not being flippant .. just wondered if you have an answer .. Don’t want to break rules and since there is no answer from the forum on this matter, I am unsure what they are. I’ll pm you my thoughts on this because it’s a great question. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the fox 3,872 Posted 19 November Report Share Posted 19 November (edited) 30 minutes ago, Countryfox said: I understand the creator bit Foxy but out of interest who created the creator .. and I’m not being flippant .. just wondered if you have an answer .. I do. Thanks for asking CF. I will answer as best as I could and hopefully the mods can let this post stay in here. Causality is believing that one thing causes another thing to happen and so on. But the problem is, if we ask (for the sake of argument), "who caused the creator?", let us say that it was caused by creator -1. Than the question becomes, " who caused creator -1", and again for the sake of argument, we answer "creator -2" than the question become who caused "creator -2" and so on. It's an unsolvable problem called infinite regression. If we have a chain of events going back infinitely, we will never have a present because there is no an uncaused cause that starts the chain reaction. There's a simple example for it I saw on the internet. Imagine an officer holding a sniper, said officer can't take the shot without the permission of his superior officer, and his superior officer can't greenlight the shot without the permission of HIS superior officer and so on. The shot will never be taken if every officer is waiting for his superior officer to call the shot. And if the chain of command is going on infinitely, there will never be a call for the shot to be taken. So what is required is an officer who doesn't need permission and he is the ultimate authority. His call will go down the chain and the shot will be taken. "Our existence is an undisputed proof for the existence of the Creator" has a clear meaning when explained the right way Edited 19 November by the fox 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benguin 1,216 Posted 19 November Author Report Share Posted 19 November 54 minutes ago, the fox said: It's actually amazing how some posters will go out of their way to get threads deleted because they don't like the topic. They could've just ignored it but I guess seeing other posters were actually asking honest questions and looking for truth got on their nerves. Ben was actually answering multiple people alone and was IMO, respectful. (I would've posted on that thread if I wasn't Banned from GC). Whilst I disagree with his religious views and some of his answers (like what makes God great) (I am a Muslim), we both agree that the creation has a Creator. That's just common sense. Now it just comes down to which religion is the right one. Which one has the best evidence. For me, being a Muslim isn't just a spiritual choice, but also an intellectual choice. From the scripture preservation, to Miracles and prophecies, to the Character of prophet Muhammad pbuh. Islam makes sense. Worship one God, the Creator of creation and pray only to him. No middleman to deliver your prayers to him. or others forgiving your sins because he's the the most merciful, exalted in might. That's a pure and direct relationship between the Creator and his creation. My advice to anyone reading this is to search Islam from the right sources. Allah gave us free will so that everyone answers for his actions and beliefs. The door to Islam is open as long as we are still alive. May Allah guides us all to the right path. Appreciate your views on this. Obviously we have differing views on who God is but it’s healthy and right to discuss it (with respect and decorum) If the moderators agree to reopen the thread, I’d love to engage more with you on this topic but for now we must respect the site owners decision. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the fox 3,872 Posted 19 November Report Share Posted 19 November 1 minute ago, Benguin said: Appreciate your views on this. Obviously we have differing views on who God is but it’s healthy and right to discuss it (with respect and decorum) If the moderators agree to reopen the thread, I’d love to engage more with you on this topic but for now we must respect the site owners decision. I'm always open to a healthy discussion. I hope the thread is reopened and my ban from posting in the GC is lifted even if it means I'm just allowed to post on the religion thread. People deserve to ask questions and get answers back. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Countryfox 8,129 Posted 19 November Report Share Posted 19 November 5 hours ago, Benguin said: Don’t want to break rules and since there is no answer from the forum on this matter, I am unsure what they are. I’ll pm you my thoughts on this because it’s a great question. 5 hours ago, the fox said: I do. Thanks for asking CF. I will answer as best as I could and hopefully the mods can let this post stay in here. Causality is believing that one thing causes another thing to happen and so on. But the problem is, if we ask (for the sake of argument), "who caused the creator?", let us say that it was caused by creator -1. Than the question becomes, " who caused creator -1", and again for the sake of argument, we answer "creator -2" than the question become who caused "creator -2" and so on. It's an unsolvable problem called infinite regression. If we have a chain of events going back infinitely, we will never have a present because there is no an uncaused cause that starts the chain reaction. There's a simple example for it I saw on the internet. Imagine an officer holding a sniper, said officer can't take the shot without the permission of his superior officer, and his superior officer can't greenlight the shot without the permission of HIS superior officer and so on. The shot will never be taken if every officer is waiting for his superior officer to call the shot. And if the chain of command is going on infinitely, there will never be a call for the shot to be taken. So what is required is an officer who doesn't need permission and he is the ultimate authority. His call will go down the chain and the shot will be taken. "Our existence is an undisputed proof for the existence of the Creator" has a clear meaning when explained the right way Thanks for the answers you pair .. will get back to you when I get 5 minutes to read them properly ... including your pm Benguin .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Countryfox 8,129 Posted 20 November Report Share Posted 20 November On 19/11/2020 at 12:51, Benguin said: Don’t want to break rules and since there is no answer from the forum on this matter, I am unsure what they are. I’ll pm you my thoughts on this because it’s a great question. On 19/11/2020 at 12:55, the fox said: I do. Thanks for asking CF. I will answer as best as I could and hopefully the mods can let this post stay in here. Causality is believing that one thing causes another thing to happen and so on. But the problem is, if we ask (for the sake of argument), "who caused the creator?", let us say that it was caused by creator -1. Than the question becomes, " who caused creator -1", and again for the sake of argument, we answer "creator -2" than the question become who caused "creator -2" and so on. It's an unsolvable problem called infinite regression. If we have a chain of events going back infinitely, we will never have a present because there is no an uncaused cause that starts the chain reaction. There's a simple example for it I saw on the internet. Imagine an officer holding a sniper, said officer can't take the shot without the permission of his superior officer, and his superior officer can't greenlight the shot without the permission of HIS superior officer and so on. The shot will never be taken if every officer is waiting for his superior officer to call the shot. And if the chain of command is going on infinitely, there will never be a call for the shot to be taken. So what is required is an officer who doesn't need permission and he is the ultimate authority. His call will go down the chain and the shot will be taken. "Our existence is an undisputed proof for the existence of the Creator" has a clear meaning when explained the right way Well I’ve read them !! ... several times ... and I’ve got be honest .. I still don’t get it. Tbh even the Big Bang 40 million years ago is enough to put my head in a tail spin ... although it does seem the most likely candidate for how it all started ... but before that ... anyone’s guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon the Hat 4,027 Posted Wednesday at 13:07 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 13:07 I am loving the resurrection of the Religion thread in here. It's like Easter! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collymore 3,452 Posted Wednesday at 21:19 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 21:19 8 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: I am loving the resurrection of the Religion thread in here. It's like Easter! You should change your name to Jon the Baptist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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