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8 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

We were wary of the Mane and Robertson overloads so had Fofana on Mane the whole game. Unfortunately Albrighton over-committed against Robertson to give a free cross to Jota for 2-0 and game over, so we failed to contain that threat even with our tactics.

 

The system was the same (3412) but with differences to individuals in terms of how they should play. E.g. this time round we didn't use our spare man at the back to drive forward with the ball as often.

 

With these teams, Man City play centrally, whereas the others play wide. In the case of Liverpool, they are the best of all of those teams from wide areas, despite missing Alexander-Arnold.

 

For me the biggest difference in this game compared to the others was that Liverpool's zonal pressing was far superior to the other teams, and whereas in the other games Mendy and Tielemans could play out of it, we struggled all game to turn the press and counter down the other end. We did manage it a few times, but were a lot less effective.

 

At the end of the day, to a man they were better than us. JJ probably the only outfield player for us that had a good game. Depressing to see us get beaten that easily, but there is a huge gulf between the sides we still have to cross.

Nice post and well described. 

 

It's an old cliché, but you learn more from losing than winning. Again, manager and players will - in a way - look forward to deconstructing what went wrong and how to address those failings. 

 

We'll end up a better team for tonight's humbling experience.

 

 

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A couple of players in the backline had an off day and it contributed to us not being able to break their press and if you don't do that, you dont score against them and it's only a matter of time... simple as that. 

 

Players are going to have bad days, nothing we can do about that but move on. 

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Just now, Mr Weller said:

Put a brave face on it if you like but that defeat shows we’re not as good as we hoped we were. We looked beaten at half time and psychologically that will take some getting over.

 

I fear a similar reaction to last year.

No... We will be fine. Our next three league games are really winnable. So let's see how they go.

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3 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Am I the only one that thinks we were denied a cast iron penalty in the 3rd minute?? Could have been a different game with them chasing it.

They were a level above us, even if we'd scored the pen (probably was 1) I don't think we'd have won.

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12 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

The game plan seemed to be similar to man city. The problem there was that Liverpool even with 4 key players out are a level above man city and that the gameplan is completely busted if you go 2 goals down. Didnt help that so few of our players played even reasonably well. Most teams will lose to them this season, making the top 4 is not dependent on this game and our next few games against the dross of the division are far more important. As long as we get points in those games we can write this one off. 

Trouble is Arsenal and MC want to play short passing game in front of you, with more patience. Liverpool play quickly, more direct, will go long at times, hit diagonals etc. They commit more men forward and unless you find a way of breaking it down we just end up sat deep waiting for the inevitable. It didn't work but that isnt to say it cant again in other games.

Vardy was incredibly isolated but we lacked aggression tonight, youri, madders and barnes all second best in challenges. 

Have to admire the Liverpool game play and their commitment to the cause, it's worth a goal start when you're in that mood.

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6 minutes ago, Dandy king said:

I'm not sure the set up was the issue tonight, more the fact that Jonny Evans scores a beauty in the wrong net in the first 20 and  after that no one seems to have be able to control a football James Justin aside

 

 

I agree, defensively poor and didn't have any conviction to put another attacker on which is poor.

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8 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Also credit where it's due, the way Liverpool are so adept at running their press, irrespective of the personnel they use is incredible. Klopp is making a name for being one of the best Premier League coaches of all time because of it.

Agreed. That said, I did think they had a tactic to foul Mendy as often as possible and they were allowed to get away with it. Don't get me wrong, they were miles better than us and it probably would have made little difference to the scoreline but Mendy has been great at controlling things from deep for us and they rough-housed him time and again and were allowed to do so.

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Just now, Mr Weller said:

I hope you’re right but I’m not convinced 

I think it was just one of them where they were just off it. If they win the next three, they will be really well set. Obviously if they only take 4 points, then it could go a bit wrong. But, key players coming back will give us a good lift.

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6 minutes ago, Mr Weller said:

Put a brave face on it if you like but that defeat shows we’re not as good as we hoped we were. We looked beaten at half time and psychologically that will take some getting over.

 

I fear a similar reaction to last year.

This time hopefully the return of Timmy, Riccy, Wilf and Cags will act as a positive, get a quick positive result and we will be fine, a bad day at the office move on.

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7 minutes ago, StanSP said:

This was the core for Liverpool's win. 

 

Their midfield cramped ours, meaning Mendy, Tielemans, Maddison couldn't find pockets of space and interplay like in other games they've profited from. They were all over us like a rash and we felt suffocated. When the midfield don't have control of the game it's very difficult for us to create and threaten. 

Our midfield is too easily overrun because we lack a physical presence and your never going to get that form Tielemans or Maddison. Even on the ball Tielemans looked lost today and Maddison was pretty much a passenger all game. I just wonder is he still having trouble with his long term injury.

But the Manger sets the tone for the performance and I just feel the players weren't in the right frame of mind from the off.

Then when things don't go well they struggle. Having said you you can't take anything away from Liverpool's performance, They were well up for it were we lacked belief from the start. We need another Window or 2 to bridge that gap and add the right players.

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