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51 minutes ago, Lionator said:

There's not a Footballer who hasn't cheated at some point. Think of the amount of goals we've scored from Vardy looking for contact in the penalty box. It's part of the game. The ref missed it.

 

Wold recommend the Asif Kapadia documentary if you get to see it, it's incredible.

There is a huge difference between what and where he did what he did, and Vardy looking for contact in the box at home to Charlton in the Championship 

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1 hour ago, Lionator said:

There's not a Footballer who hasn't cheated at some point. Think of the amount of goals we've scored from Vardy looking for contact in the penalty box. It's part of the game. The ref missed it.

 

Wold recommend the Asif Kapadia documentary if you get to see it, it's incredible.

Lets just look at our World Cup win. Did the ball cross the line!? Debate still goes on. The goal wouldn't stand nowadays. Is that cheating? Is it not comparable? People claim Maradona cheated yet will defend that goal against Germany. 

 

Although I imagine the England players on the day were pissed off and if they still are then I wouldn't begrudge them that. It was the quarter final of a World Cup! I imagine at the time it was mental to experience.

 

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4 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

😂 I am a sucker for any player who has the ability to push average clubs to greatness. (Cough - Vardy).
 

There’s a cultural difference in what people define cheating. In the UK, the prolonged targeting of a player isn’t but a handball is. 
 

As times progressed this has weakened slightly. Suarez and Henry aren’t called cheats with such assertion for example. Equally not many remember Maradona handballed again against USSR in WC90 in a Suarez esque fashion on the line. 
 

Talking of the romantic in me - anyone with time on their hands, take a look at Serie A in 84/85 when Maradona debuted for Napoli. Verona won it. Torino 2nd. Refs were drawn at random to stop fixing. The whole league has talent. There’s also the nuts 78/79 season when Perugia finished the season unbeaten but finished 2nd (too many drawn games). They are one of only three teams to ever finish a Serie A season unbeaten. 

I know I'm diverting a little but I think the Suarez handball is different as he knew it was so blatant and got adequately punished with the rules of the games whereas Henry and Maradona got anyway with theirs. 

 

So I've always found the slating by the media on the Suarez one bizarre as 99% of us would have done the same thing in his position and taken the red card / suspension for the team.

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On 25/11/2020 at 17:23, Izzy said:

Pretty much this.

 

The problem was he was public property wherever he went. Everyone wanted a piece of him and he was surrounded by hangers on and people exploiting his fame.

 

An absolute God in Argentina and they'll be mourning him for weeks. Same age as George Best when he died.

 

Gazza will probably be next.

Best and Maradona both died on 25th November. 

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On 26/11/2020 at 17:13, Cardiff_Fox said:

Pele never played in Europe. Most of goals scored in the São Paulo State Championships. That’s akin to him bagging a load of goals in the FA Cup against Leyton Orient and Morecambe. Never won a World Cup golden boot. 
 

He never led a team such as Napoli, a provincial sleeping giant in the mould of Newcastle into two league titles and an UEFA Cup (at a period where it was harder to win than the European Cup). Of course at a time where Serie A was incredibly defensive and full of the World’s talent - (in his Maradona’s first season the likes of Zico are even at Udinese). 
 

Then you compare both players in their international teams. In 58 and 62, Pele wasn’t first choice and Garrincha was Brazil’s hero. 70 he was in the worlds best team and he was out scored. 


Maradona in 86 had some support but by the time 90 come along Argentina were bust. 82 he was raw, booted around and then sent off. Not dis-similar to Pele’s 66. 
 

Pele is football’s biggest fraud and to even have him in the debate about greatest footballers is an absolute travesty it repeatedly comes up. 

World club championship, 1962. Benfica 2 Santos 5. Pelé hat trick. This is the reason why Pele was hacked to death by Portugal in 1966 World Cup Finals, leaving Pele injured and out of for remains of the competition. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Lionator said:

There's not a Footballer who hasn't cheated at some point. Think of the amount of goals we've scored from Vardy looking for contact in the penalty box. It's part of the game. The ref missed it.

 

Wold recommend the Asif Kapadia documentary if you get to see it, it's incredible.

Just finished watching the movie on Amazon Prime. I was wary of Kapadia because I found his Senna movie awful (I loved Senna but always thought that Prost was one of the greatest ever and the movie did a terrible job when it portrayed him as the villain. Sue me). Two hours well worth of my time, with additional footage and details I didn't know about although I'm a big, big Maradona fan. Diego wasn't able to talk about Shakespeare but he sure would've been one hell of a character in his books.

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3 hours ago, Nalis said:

I know I'm diverting a little but I think the Suarez handball is different as he knew it was so blatant and got adequately punished with the rules of the games whereas Henry and Maradona got anyway with theirs. 

 

So I've always found the slating by the media on the Suarez one bizarre as 99% of us would have done the same thing in his position and taken the red card / suspension for the team.

Agreed, so sorry for continuing with the diversion but because of this I've thought the rule that governs on the line handball has been inadequate ever since that incident as it effectively rewards cheating under the correct circumstances.

 

I know this has been shot down on here before, but if it can be conclusively proven on replay that the ball was going in and only the handball prevented it, the goal should be awarded anyway IMO. That takes away the incentive to cheat in one go.

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6 hours ago, Fox92 said:

People claim Maradona cheated yet will defend that goal against Germany. 

 

... What the **** are you talking about. 

 

Diego Maradona DID cheat. 

 

The goal that wasn't was just a ref call that may or may not have been wrong, marginal calls like that go either way all the time. It's comparable to the Lampard "goal" years later against the same opposition which proved the old addage that eventually these things ballance themselves out. 

 

Nobody cheated it was just a shot, the players wouldn't have known whether it actually crossed the line or not, it happened so fast they can just go off the refs call. Does he give it or not. 

 

Maradona actually made the decision to cheat to win. 

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1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

... What the **** are you talking about. 

 

Diego Maradona DID cheat. 

 

The goal that wasn't was just a ref call that may or may not have been wrong, marginal calls like that go either way all the time. It's comparable to the Lampard "goal" years later against the same opposition which proved the old addage that eventually these things ballance themselves out. 

 

Nobody cheated it was just a shot, the players wouldn't have known whether it actually crossed the line or not, it happened so fast they can just go off the refs call. Does he give it or not. 

 

Maradona actually made the decision to cheat to win. 

I know Maradona cheated, that's had a lot of coverage :S

 

All I asked was is it "cheating" or "comparable" if a ball does or doesn't cross the line.

 

So, yeah, I don't think there were any need for a swear word to be included on your part. 

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21 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I know Maradona cheated, that's had a lot of coverage :S

 

All I asked was is it "cheating" or "comparable" if a ball does or doesn't cross the line.

 

So, yeah, I don't think there were any need for a swear word to be included on your part. 

 

I do. Because what you're asking is ****ing nuts. 

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1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

I know Maradona cheated, that's had a lot of coverage :S

 

All I asked was is it "cheating" or "comparable" if a ball does or doesn't cross the line.

 

So, yeah, I don't think there were any need for a swear word to be included on your part. 

Bit it did cross the line, so how is it comparable? 

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3 hours ago, enmac said:

World club championship, 1962. Benfica 2 Santos 5. Pelé hat trick. This is the reason why Pele was hacked to death by Portugal in 1966 World Cup Finals, leaving Pele injured and out of for remains of the competition. 

 

 

1 game surrounded by pretty much most of the Brazil 62 World Cup winning squad. 
 

Interestingly Pele only appeared in 1 of the 3 games when Santos won the 63 Intercontinental Cup. 

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Diego Maradona, anti-imperialist, socialist and arguably the greatest football player of all time passed away at the age of 60.
Maradona was a leftist on the football fields and also in politics. As a football player he tirelessly fought against corruption in the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA), which he compared to a mafia. He struggled to unionize football players and in the late 90s, Maradona, with other prominent stars, formed the International Association of Professional Football Players to defend players' rights.
Maradona, also known as "El 10", openly showed his support to left-wing, socialist and progressive movements and governments in the world and specifically in Latin America. He also openly defied imperialism and colonialism and was a firm supporter of the Palestinian cause saying "in my heart I am Palestinian." and "I am a defender of the Palestinian people, I respect them and sympathize with them, I support Palestine without fear".
He proudly wore a Che Guevara tattoo on his arm and a Fidel Castro one on his leg. He was a close friend and supporter of Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales and Fidel Castro among other socialist leaders. He once said "I believe in Hugo Chávez. I am Chavista. Everything that he and Fidel do, from my point of view, is the best". As a socialist and anti-imperialist Maradona remained a committed supporter of Venezuela's Bolivarian Revolution and progressive social movements across Latin America, never losing hope in the poor and the oppressed to emancipate themselves.
"I am from the left in the sense that I am (...) for the progress of my country, to improve the life of poor people, so that we all have peace and freedom." [...] "We cannot be bought, we are lefties on the feet, we are lefties on the hands, and we are lefties on the mind. That has to be known by the people, that we say the truth, that we want equality, and that we don't want the Yankee flag planted on us."
Rest in power, Diego Armando Maradona!
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On 28/11/2020 at 17:04, Fox92 said:

I know Maradona cheated, that's had a lot of coverage :S

 

All I asked was is it "cheating" or "comparable" if a ball does or doesn't cross the line.

 

So, yeah, I don't think there were any need for a swear word to be included on your part. 


How could it possibly be cheating?

 

How could it be comparable? 

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