Crystal Palace 1-1 LCFC - Post Match Thread

[SecretPro 3,298]

14 minutes ago, mod hero said:

How did Demarai Gray pull rank on that free kick? Senior players (Tielemans should be telling him to step aside) mans never even got one on target in the 5 years he’s been here. Unbelievable 

Yes, this really ****ed me off.

[Col city fan 11,430]

4 minutes ago, marbles said:

they played 2 days ago, and we were going up against a side that we shouldnt be risking our best players health against

And that backfired didn’t it

[ealingfox 5,624]

Schmeichel really should have stopped their goal. I'd go so far as to say he was mostly to blame.

[sacreblueits442 1,183]

5 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

Maybe, but it's a tricky balance, right? He needs to play to get confidence, so BR picking him for this game (giving Vardy a rest) seems like a good choice on face value. You have to put him in the firing line at some point and you (as a manager) have to show confidence/faith in him. Pull him off the pitch too early strikes me will probably kill his confidence even more. Loaning him into the Championship seems to me the only option other than cutting him loose completely. What we're doing at the moment feels like a damaging cycle. Maybe working with BR he can turn it around but it's such a gamble given we get results like today. 

...I have said many times before regarding Nacho..he is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and he needs to leave the club in order to progress!!!

We play him as the lead striker when Vardy is out, but that is not his position and he fails every time he is given the opportunity to lead the line, he states that he is a number 10, but we play him upfront.

  Rodgers knows his temperament and should understand him by now, but to continue to thrust him in situations where he has demonstrably failed does him no good. He cannot mature in this situation and needs to play elsewhere in order to progress. Going away and coming back to us will only serve to unpick a scar that can't seem to heal.

[gw_leics772 1,306]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hughes said:

Need a new stapler for the office. Sell Nacho to fund it.

Edited it to be more realistic.

[Bob Weasel Fox 4,057]

2 points dropped but grateful for a point at least by the end

 

up the Foxes

[PaddyS 103]

11 minutes ago, mod hero said:

How did Demarai Gray pull rank on that free kick? Senior players (Tielemans should be telling him to step aside) mans never even got one on target in the 5 years he’s been here. Unbelievable 

I was so annoyed, as after all the fuss it was quite a poor and half-hearted attempt, and he didn't even seem disappointed or apologetic.

[Fktf 646]

2 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Nothing wrong with Choudhary's performance. And, would you believe it, as soon as he's subbed his replacement immediately loses the opponent he's marking, who scores.

Even if you ignore passing mistakes that get us into trouble, there's not much good about any of his performances either. We're past having use for players that cover space and put in the odd crunching tackle. Those midfielders need to contribute to our forward play too, even if it is only being available for a pass from the cbs and passing it on quickly to better players- like mendy does. 

[Arkie Bennett 589]

9 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Never noticed this in the game but apparently palace fans are annoyed with this 

 

 

We got away with one there. Typical that the big teams get the favourable decisions.

[mozartfox 5,260]

Has Richie  Wellens been blamed yet? If not, why not?

 

Win against Newcastle and the strategy may have be the correct one.  The real lesson learnt is, the next recruit needs to be a striker and forget all talk about Tarkowski.

[Col city fan 11,430]

I don’t get what argument people are making?

The fact is we drew against a poor side and, most people would say we dropped a couple of points.

So no, to rotate so many was the wrong thing to do

It’s a points business. Losing two points today is no different to losing two points in any other game.

Brendan overdid it. If he’d have got it right we wouldn’t have been watching the game after 60/70 mins thinking wtf!?

Take yourselves back to the match thread. That was pretty much the consensus 

[moore_94 4,590]

Just now, Col city fan said:

I don’t get what argument people are making?

The fact is we drew against a poor side and, most people would say we dropped a couple of points.

So no, to rotate so many was the wrong thing to do

It’s a points business. Losing two points today is no different to losing two points in any other game.

Brendan overdid it. If he’d have got it right we wouldn’t have been watching the game after 60/70 mins thinking wtf!?

Take yourselves back to the match thread. That was pretty much the consensus 

Just curious, what line up would you have started?

[AjcW 5,539]

I’m just pleased we’ve learned how to draw again! We had 12 the season we won the league! 
 

Big win against Newcastle needed to keep us on track  

 

Bit disappointed that we seemingly put a players needs over team needs on that penalty, especially with the amount of capable pen takers on the pitch! 

[SO1 1,683]

BOO HOO!

[deep blue 705]

19 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...totally agree we were resting players but the Nacho situation needed to be addressed!!!

He was not having a good gaming, his missed penalty and chances had affected him and he was going about fouling players unnecessarily due to his frustration. The commentators even commented that they had a feeling it was not going to be his day after he headed wide from 4 yards in the first half.

  I was calling for a switch for Perez to become one of the striker and bring Gray on the right with Nacho taken out of the firing line. It is not due to hindsight but it was obvious a player was struggling to positively affect the game and we required a change upfront. 

I agree that Nacho  wasn't on his game at all.  It soon became clear that every minute he stayed on the pitch was another minute wasted in our quest for goals.  I felt he should have been withdrawn before halftime.  Also, the pundits pointed out that CP would come out after halftime with a much more upbeat attitude - why did Rodgers not anticipate that too and drill it into the team before they came out for the 2nd half?  Poor.

[Foxy_Bear 2,368]

We are very lucky they didn't get a penalty. They should have. 

[Jazzy_Jeff 287]

BR did the right thing resting players, we’ve had a tough schedule and there were some players that needed a break. My only issue with the starting 11 is that Perez should have been in the hole and Praet as an 8 not as a 10. Choudhury and Mendy should not have played together
 

Kel did well until the pen. He earned the right in training (as per BR) but the execution was poor. Should have put his foot through it.

 

Overall it’s not the end of the world. 5pts from spurs and these away and Utd at home is a decent return.

 

A lot of players to come back and a lot of games to play. Got to keep our heads up 

[Number 6 574]

36 minutes ago, BigGibbo said:

We were all but guaranteed to win if he just brought him on whilst it was still 0-0. All the other changes would have worked fine if there was a capable striker on the pitch in any condition. 

So first half? Because Palace were a different side second half. It's a different game if we play Vardy instead of Nacho, completely different player.

[oxtonfox 509]

after a couple of hours post match the comments become more objective; but I’m pished that we coughed up 3 points today against an average team. Some players did not seize their opportunities and we all know they are 🧐

[Col city fan 11,430]

7 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Just curious, what line up would you have started?

Just give me thirty mins to give the medical team a call and I’ll get back to you with my starting line-up

👍

Back to the real world and I guess the question is whether 7 changes were needed (due to injury or testing) or whether Brendan simply chose to play his b team?

What do you think? 
My feeling is he over-did it. 
These players are supreme athletes now and some could probably have been perfectly fine to start.

Which way do you go?

[Corky 13,600]

I understood the changes, the timing of the game isn't ideal if players are carrying knocks. Another couple of days may've allowed a few more to play and even Soyuncu could've been ready. It's a risk whatever decision he takes.

 

That team should've been 2-0 up at half-time and he should've made changes at half-time with Iheanacho probably affected by the penalty miss. Bringing Gray on was a bizarre move after three months of no involvement whatsoever.

 

We don't know what exactly the issues were with some rested players but I've no doubt Rodgers wanted to put out a strong team yet felt unable to. I highly doubt complacency was an issue.

[deep blue 705]

11 minutes ago, Fktf said:

Even if you ignore passing mistakes that get us into trouble, there's not much good about any of his performances either. We're past having use for players that cover space and put in the odd crunching tackle. Those midfielders need to contribute to our forward play too, even if it is only being available for a pass from the cbs and passing it on quickly to better players- like mendy does. 

Choudhary did make a couple of careless passes, but apart from that he had a good performance, making some good tackles and interceptions and some decent forward 

passes.  This in spite of appearing to be not trusted by the coach and being given very little playing time.

[BigGibbo 172]

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Edited 28 December 2020 by BigGibbo

[BigGibbo 172]

11 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

So first half? Because Palace were a different side second half. It's a different game if we play Vardy instead of Nacho, completely different player.

At any point during the game whilst it was 0-0. I might have waited until half time and put Vardy on to save Iheanacho some blushes. Or even put Perez central and played with a False 9. Or played Wes Morgan as an emergency striker old school Matt Elliot style. Anything but Iheanacho really.

 

That's assuming Iheanacho had shown something in training to warrant his starting berth in the first place aside from being the only striker option otherwise he wouldn't have started either.

 

Palace were utter crap we dictated the game but had no one to finish the chances created.

[Leicester_Loyal 5,409]

I find it weird people are critising Rodgers (and I'm one of his biggest critics on here). We had to rest players and in the pre-match thread I said I thought it was one or two many changes too many, but with Maddison and Fofana injured we were forced into it. Tielemans has played so much football and Vardy is 34.

 

Our issue is that our back up players aren't good enough for these games. They're fine against lesser European teams, but playing against EPL quality is a different ball game (pardon the pun). By getting regular European football it allows you to purchase higher quality of players, because of the extra games we can offer them minutes throughout the year. We can't exactly offer people like Giroud (just an example) a 2 year deal, because he'll want a lot of money and then the 2nd year of his contract we might not even have European football.

 

Replace Slimani and Gray with two better options and we'll be in a much better position. What scares me is that we also need to replace Fuchs and Morgan, we could be looking at 60m there easily on just 3 or 4 players. Can we manage that without selling a key asset in the squad?

Edited 28 December 2020 by Leicester_Loyal