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55 minutes ago, Babylon said:

It took the bloke 12 minutes to make a sub after they scored, was he even bothered?

 

There's the 'stands to reason' school of thought that starting with Barnes, Ricardo and Castagne would have made big difference. Then there's the observational school that notes what happened for the 35 minutes they were on the pitch, which look a lot like the previous 60, with the same 1-0 scoreline.

 

For me the game in a nutshell was Luke Thomas' attempt at a block for their second goal, where he appeared to make himself as small a target as possible. In the reverse situation last night (if we'd managed to manufacture it) there would have been two or three Slavia players putting their testicles in danger.

 

Not a pop at Luke - it was same mentality throught the team. I didn't feel last night was about being complacent. There just seemed to be a completely different level of 'interest' in winning from the two sides. 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

So do you assume we're at our peak now? That we cannot do better?

No. But we are in a great position to strike some real blows. And we're consistently failing to do so. The League Cup failure against Villa, the FA Cup ditto v Chelsea. Last season's farrago of finishing outside the top 4.

Without wishing to get too philosophical about it, the future is right now. And we're not taking any of our opportunities. 

Jam tomorrow is not how football (or anything else, basically) really works. 

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25 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

No. But we are in a great position to strike some real blows. And we're consistently failing to do so. The League Cup failure against Villa, the FA Cup ditto v Chelsea. Last season's farrago of finishing outside the top 4.

Without wishing to get too philosophical about it, the future is right now. And we're not taking any of our opportunities. 

Jam tomorrow is not how football (or anything else, basically) really works. 

And yet, taking what you said at face value, you're already talking about the here and now yet in the past tense at the same time. That isn't fair - and also, past failures do not guarantee future failures. You're cherry picking the things that did go wrong whilst ignoring all the processes that (in a very short space of time, I might add) got us to those points. 

 

I understand the final point - in which case what is the point in building a new training ground, expanding the stadium and so forth? The assets at the club need protecting, especially with fatigue being so prevalent. I get it, we all want success and we want it right away, but there are a finite number of trophies available, and currently our team is the third best in the country as per the league table. Who is to say we won't take the next opportunity? Saying Jam tomorrow is not how it works is your opinion, but then neither does Jam yesterday (if that makes sense).

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1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

And yet, taking what you said at face value, you're already talking about the here and now yet in past tense at the same time. That isn't fair - and also, past failures do not guarantee future failures. You're cherry picking the things that did go wrong whilst ignoring all the processes that (in a very short space of time, I might add) got us to those points. 

 

I understand the final point - in which case what is the point in building a new training ground, expanding the stadium and so forth? The assets at the club need protecting, especially with fatigue being so prevalent. I get it, we all want success and we want it right away, but there are a finite number of trophies available, and currently our team is the third best in the country as per the league table. Who is to say we won't take the next opportunity? Saying Jam tomorrow is not how it works is your opinion, but then neither does Jam yesterday (if that makes sense).

Er...not really. 

My point about past failures is merely that they suggest a rather worrying pattern. Of course they don't guarantee anything in the future (which incidentally is the nub of my argument), but the past informs the likelihood of what could happen. Gambling and insurance firms rely on it. 

And yes, it's nice to have great facilities and what-not,  but I don't really see what that has to do with anything. Failure lives as happily on velvet cushions as it does on a park bench. 

It's all about attitude, and right now ours is questionable. I seriously doubt whether Slavia's players have anything like our level of facilities or any grandiose plans for the 'future', but they don't half have a desire to win football matches. 

A bit like we used to back in 2016.

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Im still not having it, they are a shite team man for man and the only reason they beat us because we were absolutley ****ing abysmal and played like they’d been out on the piss the night before. Rangers should breeze through 

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1 minute ago, Stoopid said:

Er...not really. 

My point about past failures is merely that they suggest a rather worrying pattern. Of course they don't guarantee anything in the future (which incidentally is the nub of my argument), but the past informs the likelihood of what could happen. Gambling and insurance firms rely on it. 

And yes, it's nice to have great facilities and what-not,  but I don't really see what that has to do with anything. Failure lives as happily on velvet cushions as it does on a park bench. 

It's all about attitude, and right now ours is questionable. I seriously doubt whether Slavia's players have anything like our level of facilities or any grandiose plans for the 'future', but they don't half have a desire to win football matches. 

A bit like we used to back in 2016.

OK, I'll be curt. It was one bad game. You want to only highlight the things that have gone wrong, and don't want to acknowledge the current successes in proportion. We cannot win every game, every trophy, and insisting that every setback indicates a worrying pattern is more indicative of personal thought patterns rather than the truth of the matter. We have the best situation ever, and yet people are so fast to find the dark clouds.

 

As for the 2016 argument, that's just laughably glib. Sorry if this comes across as too argumentative.

 

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I think the mistake was actually made in the first leg. Prague are a well organised and defensively very well drilled team. With our away record, we needed to go all out to get an away goal and put them on the back foot. Even 1-1 first leg would've been better then 0-0, because they would've come here knowing they needed a goal. Playing them feels like playing the likes of Wolves and Everton. We were too meek first leg and that's cost us.

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36 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

 

There's the 'stands to reason' school of thought that starting with Barnes, Ricardo and Castagne would have made big difference. Then there's the observational school that notes what happened for the 35 minutes they were on the pitch, which look a lot like the previous 60, with the same 1-0 scoreline.

 

For me the game in a nutshell was Luke Thomas' attempt at a block for their second goal, where he appeared to make himself as small a target as possible. In the reverse situation last night (if we'd managed to manufacture it) there would have been two or three Slavia players putting their testicles in danger.

 

Not a pop at Luke - it was same mentality throught the team. I didn't feel last night was about being complacent. There just seemed to be a completely different level of 'interest' in winning from the two sides. 

It was a totally different scenario after they scored, as I said in the match thread one minute before they scored. He needed to make the change BEFORE we went behind.

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3 minutes ago, sm1 said:

I think the mistake was actually made in the first leg. Prague are a well organised and defensively very well drilled team. With our away record, we needed to go all out to get an away goal and put them on the back foot. Even 1-1 first leg would've been better then 0-0, because they would've come here knowing they needed a goal. Playing them feels like playing the likes of Wolves and Everton. We were too meek first leg and that's cost us.

and even more frustrating that we played our first choice eleven out there …….vards and YT could have done with a night off (as could madders with hindsight)

 

we could have played for a 0-0 with wilf, pappy and hamza in the midfield !

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2 minutes ago, enmac said:

What happens if we finish 4th, Liverpool finish 5th and win Champions League, Arsenal finish 6th and win Europa League? Do we still qualify for CL? 

To add (before you panic) think how likely that actually is....

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43 minutes ago, Babylon said:

It was a totally different scenario after they scored, as I said in the match thread one minute before they scored. He needed to make the change BEFORE we went behind.

 

Not in the terms I'm talking about. They were mad for it, we weren't that bothered. I don't believe earlier subs (or even starting with those three) would have changed that. Of course, it would have made a difference to what happened in the game, but that wouldn't necessarily have been a better scoreline at the end.

 

Basically I'm restating my belief that mental approach is massive and can overcome quite large gaps in quality (not that I think the gap in quality between us and Slavia is as big as some people are making out). Rodgers 'failure' (assuming he cared enough) was in not getting the players anywhere near as 'on it' as SP. Maybe at the time it wasn't possible, maybe he didn't want gung ho tackles and extra-human effort at a point where we have a pretty hideous injury list already.

 

Last night's team isn't that different (quality-wise) to the one that beat Man City 5-2. What was completely different was the approach, where in one it was obvious the result really mattered and the other clearly didn't matter anywhere near as much. 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

 

Not in the terms I'm talking about. They were mad for it, we weren't that bothered. I don't believe earlier subs (or even starting with those three) would have changed that. Of course, it would have made a difference to what happened in the game, but that wouldn't necessarily have been a better scoreline at the end.

 

Basically I'm restating my belief that mental approach is massive and can overcome quite large gaps in quality (not that I think the gap in quality between us and Slavia is as big as some people are making out). Rogers 'failure' (assuming he cared enough) was in not getting the players anywhere near as 'on it' as SP. Maybe at the time it wasn't possible, maybe he didn't want gung ho tackles and extra-human effort at a point where we have a pretty hideous injury list already.

 

Last night's team isn't that different (quality-wise) to the one that beat Man City 5-2. What was completely different was the approach, where it was obvious the result really mattered and the other clearly didn't matter anywhere near as much. 

 

I noted last week we flew out on Wednesday afternoon for the Thursday game. Prague came into Leicester on Tuesday. Trained at our ground on Wednesday. Quite clear it was a higher priority for SP than for us, rightly or wrongly

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It wasn't great or even close but I think we have to give them some credit. 

 

Looking past their hysterics and the questionable refereeing decisions in the first leg they had our number.

 

Eights points clear at the top, undefeated after 20 games into their season makes them a decent side. They have belief and momentum.

 

I keep hearing about how we should have got another attacking midfielder or recalled KDH, but how deep do you really think our squad can go with the level of quality to just step into the first team and do the job ?

 

We had some injuries and rested some players, people are screaming about us blowing top four and are moaning about last night. Brendan is getting it from all sides.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

OK, I'll be curt. It was one bad game. You want to only highlight the things that have gone wrong, and don't want to acknowledge the current successes in proportion. We cannot win every game, every trophy, and insisting that every setback indicates a worrying pattern is more indicative of personal thought patterns rather than the truth of the matter. We have the best situation ever, and yet people are so fast to find the dark clouds.

 

As for the 2016 argument, that's just laughably glib. Sorry if this comes across as too argumentative.

 

Well since you mention it, it does a little, yes. 

You make quite a few assumptions about my position and thought-processes on pretty shaky ground I would say. 

I've been a Leicester fan since 1961, and your observation that we can't win every game or trophy that we compete for is something that has actually occurred to me as well over the years. 

Again, I don't say that 'every' setback indicates a worrying pattern. I'm saying that a series of similar failures in important games over recent seasons possibly does. 

We are in a great position - agreed. But it's just a position. We've got a recent history of failing to kick on from great positions. With, of course, the astonishing exception of 2016 . Your characterisation of my citing this example of what can be achieved - without the fancy training ground or new stadium or money-doping - is perhaps a little insulting.

Nevertheless, I stand by it. It resounded around the world precisely because it demonstrated that a fighting attitude, self-belief and determination could still win the day. The two games against Prague, and the other examples I give since that triumph, make me wonder whether we've lost sight of that. 

That's all. 

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Woeful performance, but perhaps understandably so. Maybe for the best so that we can concentrate on getting top four. I still think this will be very tricky, even without distractions. We haven’t really been playing all that well recently, though the 15 mins vs Pool and first half vs Villa papered over the cracks. Tough ask with all the injuries. We just look completely knackered.

 

On the plus side I thought Tavares looked quite competent when he came on with the few touches he managed. Seemed quite confident.

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57 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Im still not having it, they are a shite team man for man and the only reason they beat us because we were absolutley ****ing abysmal and played like they’d been out on the piss the night before. Rangers should breeze through 

Mate this is right

Don’t be taken in by all the smokescreen that people will come out with on here

We all know that on the night we were garbage. 
I say again, for all those who were well chuffed at the likes of Under and bloody Dan Amartey getting their chance to shine, be careful what you wish for. If we have to rely on our ‘squad players’ more and more to take us forward, the only way we’ll go is downward. Some of them aren’t good enough

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