How Was Your Day?

[Buce]

3 hours ago, Col city fan said:

It's heartening to hear you talk of the mentally ill as 'psychos' Buce. It appears that social stigma is still alive and well down your way. And this coming from a bloke who claims to suffer from depression himself?

Oh dear...

 

 

 

No, Col, you've misjudged me - the people she has been working with are not depressed, they are literally psychopaths and severe schizophrenics detained in a secure unit.

 

Most of them have been detained for committing some pretty heinous crimes and are very dangerous people.

Edited 30 January 2018 by Buce

[Finnegan]

I literally cannot read a @MattP post now without hearing it in Mayor Quimby's voice.

 

I mean I know this is a phenomena with lots of avas but this one more than most. 

 

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

I literally cannot read a @MattP post now without hearing it in Mayor Quimby's voice.

That is not the way to talk about a errr, respected poster and I would prefer a nondescript briefcase for donations if this were to continue.

 

The only thing you can't buy here is dignity, now if you will excuse me, I'm off to amuse myself with some pornographic playing cards.

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

That is not the way to talk about a errr, respected poster and I would prefer a nondescript briefcase for donations if this were to continue.

 

The only thing you can't buy here is dignity, now if you will excuse me, I'm off to amuse myself with some pornographic playing cards.

 

Fantastic. 

 

I don't know what it is about Quimby, I don't read a Buce thread and think of Homer or hear Jamie Vardys voice whenever AKCJ posts. 

 

But Quimby is irresistible. 

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

Fantastic. 

 

I don't know what it is about Quimby, I don't read a Buce thread and think of Homer or hear Jamie Vardys voice whenever AKCJ posts. 

 

But Quimby is irresistible. 

You could probably pick 50 characters in the Simpsons that are just brilliant, perfect stereotypes of what they are trying to show. Mayor Quimby is probably the best aside from Homer, everytime he's on the screen he makes me laugh.

 

I could imagine someone somewhere in a position of power actually trying this.

 

 

[Alf Bentley]

9 hours ago, Buce said:

 

No, Col, you've misjudged me - the people she has been working with are not depressed, they are literally psychopaths and severe schizophrenics detained in a secure unit.

 

Most of them have been detained for committing some pretty heinous crimes and are very dangerous people.

 

I appreciate that you're talking about some very dangerous people and that your wife has been doing a very demanding job. I also appreciate that you probably have a better understanding of mental illness than I do.

But throwing around phrases like "psychos and schizophrenics" doesn't help eliminate stigma when most people have little experience of such mental illnesses - and often little sympathy for illnesses beyond depression.

 

I know or have known at least 6 people with schizophrenia-type illnesses. None of them have ever been a danger to anyone apart from themselves. All of them have been hospitalised in the past and most have been sectioned at some point. At least 4 of them are now in employment, a couple have been responsible parents and others have been in long-term relationships, all but 1 are now well.

 

Good luck to your missus in her new job, though. I'm sure losing the stress of her old job must be a massive relief to her (and you). I can understand her delight at the job change.

[Carl the Llama]

Been an absolute shitshow of a day:  Went to bed super early last night (we're talking not even 7pm and I'm tucking myself in) so I could catch up on some sleep and get up at 5 this morning to be at work early because I was in charge this morning and it was only going to be me, the girl with a reluctance to do anything and a randomer from another store who, due to travel arrangements, was booked to start half an hour later than the person he was replacing for the day, meaning I wanted to get in early and be super prepared for what would undoubtedly be a shitty day with a hectic start until the 3rd pair of hands arrived...

 

Only I couldn't actually sleep so I just lay there for hours upon hours thinking about nothing until my phone - which I left at the foot of the bed so I have to physically raise myself to turn the alarm off - rings right next to my head at 0620, 20 minutes after I was meant to be at work, and it's the reluctant girl who's been locked out of the building for 10 minutes already because she didn't think to immediately phone me when she arrived  to find the lights off and nobody there to let her in. By some kind of magic and a lot of running I managed to get there just in time to open up on time but I had to play catch-up on all the early morning set-up and paperwork throughout the morning rush plus my boss's girlfriend happened to drop by and ended up staying behind to lend a hand seeing how backed up we were so now he'll know how bad this morning was and to make matters worse both of our ice machines and the dishwasher all chose to die on me which slowed things down even more.  So basically I've spent all day wanting to cry and scream and hit everything.

[Finnegan]

13 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I appreciate that you're talking about some very dangerous people and that your wife has been doing a very demanding job. I also appreciate that you probably have a better understanding of mental illness than I do.

But throwing around phrases like "psychos and schizophrenics" doesn't help eliminate stigma when most people have little experience of such mental illnesses - and often little sympathy for illnesses beyond depression.

 

I know or have known at least 6 people with schizophrenia-type illnesses. None of them have ever been a danger to anyone apart from themselves. All of them have been hospitalised in the past and most have been sectioned at some point. At least 4 of them are now in employment, a couple have been responsible parents and others have been in long-term relationships, all but 1 are now well.

 

Good luck to your missus in her new job, though. I'm sure losing the stress of her old job must be a massive relief to her (and you). I can understand her delight at the job change.

 

Think you're just looking for debate where there isn't one to be had, to be fair, Alf, and Col flat out owes Buce an apology for jumping to conclusions. 

 

Nothing Buce said was particularly offensive. Psychopaths don't deserve your pity and whether or not schizophrenics can be peaceful and calm sorts, those who are institutionalised are hard to work with regardless and there's not much wrong with Buce being glad to see his missus move on to a less chaotic job. 

 

As a resident FT crazy person, I'm often one of the first to get prickly about people's attitudes to mental health (especially people's ignorance about suicide) but there's nothing to be offended by here. 

[Buce]

29 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I appreciate that you're talking about some very dangerous people and that your wife has been doing a very demanding job. I also appreciate that you probably have a better understanding of mental illness than I do.

But throwing around phrases like "psychos and schizophrenics" doesn't help eliminate stigma when most people have little experience of such mental illnesses - and often little sympathy for illnesses beyond depression.

 

I know or have known at least 6 people with schizophrenia-type illnesses. None of them have ever been a danger to anyone apart from themselves. All of them have been hospitalised in the past and most have been sectioned at some point. At least 4 of them are now in employment, a couple have been responsible parents and others have been in long-term relationships, all but 1 are now well.

 

Good luck to your missus in her new job, though. I'm sure losing the stress of her old job must be a massive relief to her (and you). I can understand her delight at the job change.

 

I'm not lightly throwing around any such phrase, Alf.

 

Of course there are schizophrenics who pose no threat to anybody and I wasn't conscious of implying otherwise. The people of which I'm speaking are nonetheless fully diagnosed as being psychopaths and/or severely schizophrenic and are locked in a secure unit for commiting serious crimes of violence. How would you have me describe them?

 

When I used the term 'psycho' I wasn't glibly using it as a generic phrase for any mental illness, as Col seems to have inferred, but merely as a shortening of 'psychopath' which is an accurate term to describe them since that is their diagnosis.

 

If I have unwittingly caused offence to you or Col (or anyone else) then that is regrettable but I see no need to offer an apology for using nothing more than accurate language.

 

I have lost count of the number of injuries my missus has sustained whilst caring for them so, yes, we are both delighted that she is moving to a safer environment, thanks.

Edited 30 January 2018 by Buce

[Innovindil]

7 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Been an absolute shitshow of a day:  Went to bed super early last night (we're talking not even 7pm and I'm tucking myself in) so I could catch up on some sleep and get up at 5 this morning to be at work early because I was in charge this morning and it was only going to be me, the girl with a reluctance to do anything and a randomer from another store who, due to travel arrangements, was booked to start half an hour later than the person he was replacing for the day, meaning I wanted to get in early and be super prepared for what would undoubtedly be a shitty day with a hectic start until the 3rd pair of hands arrived...

 

Only I couldn't actually sleep so I just lay there for hours upon hours thinking about nothing until my phone - which I left at the foot of the bed so I have to physically raise myself to turn the alarm off - rings right next to my head at 0620, 20 minutes after I was meant to be at work, and it's the reluctant girl who's been locked out of the building for 10 minutes already because she didn't think to immediately phone me when she arrived  to find the lights off and nobody there to let her in. By some kind of magic and a lot of running I managed to get there just in time to open up on time but I had to play catch-up on all the early morning set-up and paperwork throughout the morning rush plus my boss's girlfriend happened to drop by and ended up staying behind to lend a hand seeing how backed up we were so now he'll know how bad this morning was and to make matters worse both of our ice machines and the dishwasher all chose to die on me which slowed things down even more.  So basically I've spent all day wanting to cry and scream and hit everything.

Been there man, know exactly how you feel. When the day starts bad you can bet your paycheck something will **** up and make it worse. 

 

In the end, people sleep past alarms, it happens. At least you opened up on time. Just say your sowwies, it won't happen again etc and hope tomorrow is a better day, it more than likely will be. 

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, Innovindil said:

Been there man, know exactly how you feel. When the day starts bad you can bet your paycheck something will **** up and make it worse. 

 

In the end, people sleep past alarms, it happens. At least you opened up on time. Just say your sowwies, it won't happen again etc and hope tomorrow is a better day, it more than likely will be. 

Yeah cheers, I daren't imagine what has to happen for tomorrow to be a worse one that's for sure  

[Izzy]

33 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Been an absolute shitshow of a day:  Went to bed super early last night (we're talking not even 7pm and I'm tucking myself in) so I could catch up on some sleep and get up at 5 this morning to be at work early because I was in charge this morning and it was only going to be me, the girl with a reluctance to do anything and a randomer from another store who, due to travel arrangements, was booked to start half an hour later than the person he was replacing for the day, meaning I wanted to get in early and be super prepared for what would undoubtedly be a shitty day with a hectic start until the 3rd pair of hands arrived...

 

Only I couldn't actually sleep so I just lay there for hours upon hours thinking about nothing until my phone - which I left at the foot of the bed so I have to physically raise myself to turn the alarm off - rings right next to my head at 0620, 20 minutes after I was meant to be at work, and it's the reluctant girl who's been locked out of the building for 10 minutes already because she didn't think to immediately phone me when she arrived  to find the lights off and nobody there to let her in. By some kind of magic and a lot of running I managed to get there just in time to open up on time but I had to play catch-up on all the early morning set-up and paperwork throughout the morning rush plus my boss's girlfriend happened to drop by and ended up staying behind to lend a hand seeing how backed up we were so now he'll know how bad this morning was and to make matters worse both of our ice machines and the dishwasher all chose to die on me which slowed things down even more.  So basically I've spent all day wanting to cry and scream and hit everything.

Reading this brings back memories of 20 + years ago when I was a high street retail assistant/store manager Carl 

 

The early nights, early starts, missed alarm calls, being short staffed, borrowing staff from other stores etc, etc.

 

Not to mention the added bonus of unrealistic sales targets, screaming and demanding customers, staff taking the piss, shop lifters, police calls in the middle of the night to attend to break in's - and all this for a fvck all squared £'s wage.

 

Saying all that, I wouldn't trade those days for anything in the world. What a great grounding and training experience it all was and when some days were good, they were great. Still miss the 'buzz' of smashing target and the recognition that brought with it, but I certainly don't miss the rest of it!

 

I hope tomorrow is a better day for you mate 

[Col city fan]

22 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

I'm not lightly throwing around any such phrase, Alf.

 

Of course there are schizophrenics who pose no threat to anybody and I wasn't conscious of implying otherwise. The people of which I'm speaking are nonetheless fully diagnosed as being psychopaths and/or severely schizophrenic and are locked in a secure unit for commiting serious crimes of violence. How would you have me describe them?

 

When I used the term 'psycho' I wasn't glibly using it as a generic phrase for any mental illness, as Col seems to have inferred, but merely as a shortening of 'psychopath' which is an accurate term to describe them since that is their diagnosis.

 

If I have unwittingly caused offence to you or Col (or anyone else) then that is regrettable but I see no need to offer an apology for using nothing more than accurate language.

 

I have lost count of the number of injuries my missus has sustained whilst caring for them so, yes, we are both delighted that she is moving to a safer environment, thanks.

The post you made absolutely implied a glib use of the term ‘psychos’. At least that was how I read it. If you meant people suffering from psychopathic disorder, then say so. As far as I know, even people with a psychopathic disorder aren’t labelled ‘psycho’s’? And certainly not by mental health professionals.

And I’ve never heard of the term ‘severe schizophrenia’? Do you mean ‘chronic schizophrenia’ or ‘severe mental illness’

Schizophrenia is a terrible affliction and unfortunately some people suffering with this psychotic disorder (was THAT what you meant?) have behaviours that challenge. Very often associated with hallucinations.

Using the term ‘psychos’ gives those either ignorant toward serious mental illness or those wishing to perpetuate stigma, all the ammunition they need to do so. If you’re use of this term was not glib or was well intentioned, then I apologise. But in my opinion, such terminology can be taken absolutely at face value by those who wouldn’t understand what you mean.

Finally, psychopathic disorder is a recognised mental disorder. For chumps like Finnegan to say that these patients don’t deserve any pity is a completely subjective opinion that basically discredits the validity of such a disorder.

[Alf Bentley]

37 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Think you're just looking for debate where there isn't one to be had, to be fair, Alf, and Col flat out owes Buce an apology for jumping to conclusions. 

 

Nothing Buce said was particularly offensive. Psychopaths don't deserve your pity and whether or not schizophrenics can be peaceful and calm sorts, those who are institutionalised are hard to work with regardless and there's not much wrong with Buce being glad to see his missus move on to a less chaotic job. 

 

As a resident FT crazy person, I'm often one of the first to get prickly about people's attitudes to mental health (especially people's ignorance about suicide) but there's nothing to be offended by here. 

 

35 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

I'm not lightly throwing around any such phrase, Alf.

 

Of course there are schizophrenics who pose no threat to anybody and I wasn't conscious of implying otherwise. The people of which I'm speaking are nonetheless fully diagnosed as being psychopaths and/or severe schizophrenics and are locked in a secure unit for commiting serious crimes of violence. How would you have me describe them?

When I used the term 'psycho' I wasn't glibly using it as a generic phrase for any mental illness, as Col seems to have inferred, but merely as a shortening of 'psychopath' which is an accurate term to describe them since that is their diagnosis.

 

If I have unwittingly caused offence to you or Col (or anyone else) then that is regrettable but I see no need to offer an apology for using nothing more than accurate language.

 

I have lost count of the number of injuries my missus has sustained whilst caring for them so, yes, we are both delighted that she is moving to a safer environment, thanks.

 

I'm not offended, didn't find Buce's comments offensive and am not looking for a debate. Indeed, I'll hopefully withdraw after this post.

 

I just wanted to make a point, having known several people with a schizophrenia diagnosis very well and having known how damaging they found the stigma attached to what many people imagine "schizophrenia" or "paranoid schizophrenic" to mean.

 

I've never known a psychopath as far as I'm aware, so have no knowledge about the condition (beyond the general knowledge that it can make people very dangerous and require their incarceration for public safety).

Is "psycho" just an abbreviation for "psychopath"? Do psychiatrists and courts declare people to be "psychos" or "psychopaths"? I understand "psycho" to be an insult as well as an abbreviation. At least for Britain, the Collins Dictionary describes "psycho" as an "offensive" term:  https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/psycho_1  That doesn't imply pity on my part - or any desire to have serious psychopaths released. Mrs. Buce has my sympathy and admiration for tolerating such a demanding, dangerous job for so long - and Buce, you have my sympathy for the worry that job has doubtless caused you down the years.

 

If you had referred to "psychopaths and dangerous schizophrenics", I'd have had no problem. I'm sure you didn't intend any implication, but using the pejorative word "psychos" in combination with "schizophrenics" DOES imply that schizophrenics generally pose a threat. Some obviously DO pose a threat - and it sounds as if Mrs. Buce was bravely dealing with them at great risk to herself. But very many are a danger only to themselves - including the six I've known.

 

Many years ago, I remember seeing a stat that there were more schizophrenics murdered by sane people than there were sane people murdered by schizophrenics. I can't remember where I saw that and don't know how reliable the info is.

 

Although I don't know you personally, Buce, I'm genuinely pleased to hear of your good news re. your wife's better, safer new job. Must be a massive relief.

 

 

[Buce]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

The post you made absolutely implied a glib use of the term ‘psychos’. At least that was how I read it. If you meant people suffering from psychopathic disorder, then say so. As far as I know, even people with a psychopathic disorder aren’t labelled ‘psycho’s’? And certainly not by mental health professionals.

And I’ve never heard of the term ‘severe schizophrenia’? Do you mean ‘chronic schizophrenia’ or ‘severe mental illness’

Schizophrenia is a terrible affliction and unfortunately some people suffering with this psychotic disorder (was THAT what you meant?) have behaviours that challenge. Very often associated with hallucinations.

Using the term ‘psychos’ gives those either ignorant toward serious mental illness or those wishing to perpetuate stigma, all the ammunition they need to do so. If you’re use of this term was not glib or was well intentioned, then I apologise. But in my opinion, such terminology can be taken absolutely at face value by those who wouldn’t understand what you mean.

Finally, psychopathic disorder is a recognised mental disorder. For chumps like Finnegan to say that these patients don’t deserve any pity is a completely subjective opinion that basically discredits the validity of such a disorder.

 

I'm not a mental health professional, Col, so I have no idea what the correct clinical terminology might be.

 

I'm not going to explain myself yet again, so if you want to get upset over semantics, go ahead, but I'm done discussing it.

[Guest MattP]

I'm actually going to try and make my posts sound like Mayor Quimby from now on.

[Wymsey]

Some need to be quite careful tbqh, as you'll be surprised who may read this forum/particular thread..

Edited 30 January 2018 by Wymeswold fox

[Col city fan]

49 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Think you're just looking for debate where there isn't one to be had, to be fair, Alf, and Col flat out owes Buce an apology for jumping to conclusions. 

 

Nothing Buce said was particularly offensive. Psychopaths don't deserve your pity and whether or not schizophrenics can be peaceful and calm sorts, those who are institutionalised are hard to work with regardless and there's not much wrong with Buce being glad to see his missus move on to a less chaotic job. 

 

As a resident FT crazy person, I'm often one of the first to get prickly about people's attitudes to mental health (especially people's ignorance about suicide) but there's nothing to be offended by here. 

How do you know that schizophrenics who have been insitutionalised are ‘hard to work with’? How do you know? Which ones? Have you worked with many?

What an incredible generalisation.

[Buce]

2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

I'm not offended, didn't find Buce's comments offensive and am not looking for a debate. Indeed, I'll hopefully withdraw after this post.

 

I just wanted to make a point, having known several people with a schizophrenia diagnosis very well and having known how damaging they found the stigma attached to what many people imagine "schizophrenia" or "paranoid schizophrenic" to mean.

 

I've never known a psychopath as far as I'm aware, so have no knowledge about the condition (beyond the general knowledge that it can make people very dangerous and require their incarceration for public safety).

Is "psycho" just an abbreviation for "psychopath"? Do psychiatrists and courts declare people to be "psychos" or "psychopaths"? I understand "psycho" to be an insult as well as an abbreviation. At least for Britain, the Collins Dictionary describes "psycho" as an "offensive" term:  https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/psycho_1  That doesn't imply pity on my part - or any desire to have serious psychopaths released. Mrs. Buce has my sympathy and admiration for tolerating such a demanding, dangerous job for so long - and Buce, you have my sympathy for the worry that job has doubtless caused you down the years.

 

If you had referred to "psychopaths and dangerous schizophrenics", I'd have had no problem. I'm sure you didn't intend any implication, but using the pejorative word "psychos" in combination with "schizophrenics" DOES imply that schizophrenics generally pose a threat. Some obviously DO pose a threat - and it sounds as if Mrs. Buce was bravely dealing with them at great risk to herself. But very many are a danger only to themselves - including the six I've known.

 

Many years ago, I remember seeing a stat that there were more schizophrenics murdered by sane people than there were sane people murdered by schizophrenics. I can't remember where I saw that and don't know how reliable the info is.

 

Although I don't know you personally, Buce, I'm genuinely pleased to hear of your good news re. your wife's better, safer new job. Must be a massive relief.

 

 

 

 I'm neither a wordsmith or mental health professional, Alf, so I can't answer whether 'psycho' is always perjorative or not, nor whether it is in clinical use. As I've explained to Col ad nauseum, it wasn't intended that way but if he insists on being offended, so be it.

 

Thank you for your kind words and good wishes - Mrs Buce was long overdue a move to something safer, and as luck would have it, a better job in every way.

[Col city fan]

Just now, Buce said:

 

 I'm neither a wordsmith or mental health professional, Alf, so I can't answer whether 'psycho' is always perjorative or not, nor whether it is in clinical use. As I've explained to Col ad nauseum, it wasn't intended that way but if he insists on being offended, so be it.

 

Thank you for your kind words and good wishes - Mrs Buce was long overdue a move to something safer, and as luck would have it, a better job in every way.

Im not offended Buce. Not personally anyway.

And I’ve written one reply to you. Hardly ad nauseum that is it.

Good luck to Mrs Buce and yourself. Sometimes a job change can make all the difference.

[Buce]

16 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Im not offended Buce. Not personally anyway.

 

Good, it wasn't my intention to offend anyone.

 

16 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

And I’ve written one reply to you. Hardly ad nauseum that is it.

 

I said I had explained ad nauseum - three times on here (once to Alf that you replied to) and once by PM. I think that qualifies as excessive.

 

16 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Good luck to Mrs Buce and yourself. Sometimes a job change can make all the difference.

 

Thanks, she deserves it.

 

She's a top bird, and way too good for me.

[Mike Oxlong]

1 hour ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Some need to be quite careful tbqh, as you'll be surprised who may read this forum/particular thread..

 

Is it 

 

 

[Strokes]

27 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

 

Is it 

 

 

That’s made my day

 

[Countryfox]

 Nutter is a good word ...     much better than words starting with 'psyc' or ending with 'ists' or 'ism' ...       softer, more low key, and less controversial ...    

[Guest MattP]

It's Chowder