Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[Kilworthfox]

This probably sums up the politics of the madhouse we live with. Mind you, there were the days when the people of Braunstone might have sorted it themselves, except that a good few of them voted to put this lot in anyway so they really deserve everything they get.

If it were you or me we'd be causing an obstruction. As it's a group of travellers it's a case for social services! I wonder when they'll turn up at The Walkers car park!

I would like to watch that

[Daggers]

I would like to watch that

You and me Kilworth - let's go do it! Let's go now!

(And by 'do it' I mean I will watch you while standing on my crutches)

((And by watching you 'do it' I do not mean sex))

(((Well, maybe a little bit)))

[Alexikokopops]

Merc

A cross-country event for 2,000 youngsters has had to be postponed after a group of travellers set up camp near the course.

The event was due to take place at Western Park, in Leicester, on Saturday, with youngsters aged from seven to 11 taking part in a number of runs.

However, an illegal camp of about 20 caravans and 12 horses has been set up in the park, near to the junction of New Parks Way and Glenfield Road.

The area is used as a car park for events such as the race day.

When told there was an event on Saturday, the travellers said they were not planning to move.

Leicester City Council is unable to evict the travellers from its land until welfare checks have been made.

George Smolinski, of Leicestershire Primary Schools Athletics Association, which organises Leicestershire Cross Country League, said: "We heard from the city council on Monday that there was a camp on the park on the spot we would be using as the car park.

"We were expecting between 1,000 and 1,500 cars as about 2,000 children had entered.

"We have had to postpone until next month. There's nothing we can do."

The association runs the biggest cross-country league of its kind in the UK. Each year, about 5,400 youngsters are involved.

Mr Smolinski said: "It's a shame for the children and disappointing for us. We had been expecting record numbers to take part this year."

The organisers were offered Braunstone Park as an alternative venue, but decided it would not be suitable.

Leicester City Council's director of environmental services, Adrian Russell, said: "We were working hard to try to avoid cancelling the event and were looking at ways to accommodate it elsewhere, but the organisers decided to call off the event.

"We are very disappointed travellers are using this site and are working to get this problem resolved as quickly as possible."

Peter Coley, a ward councillor for Western Park, said: "It's a real shame.

"We have legal responsibilities to check on their health and well-being and put ticks in boxes for the Government before we can move them on.

"The other issue is that it costs us thousands of pounds to clear up every time a camp is moved."

One traveller, who did not want to be named, said: "We're planning to be in Leicester for about a month. But there are lots of groups so I don't know what everyone's plans are."

Another said: "We could be gone tomorrow but it's hard to say."

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Things like this really piss me off! IF (not that we would want to) we the non "traveller" community decided to do this we would get chucked off the site. The council, Police & Government should grow some balls and support the people who pay their way and support them, not, not offend these "people".

Michael Howard, only ever liked him once

Yes. Setting up an illegal camp which has lead to a cross country event being postponed is on a par with some of the other crimes in this thread, like the man punching his friend's sleeping baby, or the person that killed a pensioner by shoving a walking stick down his throat...

[Kilworthfox]

Yes. Setting up an illegal camp which has lead to a cross country event being postponed is on a par with some of the other crimes in this thread, like the man punching his friend's sleeping baby, or the person that killed a pensioner by shoving a walking stick down his throat...

I had no idea that there was a standard to which my post did not measure up to. Maybe this is an microcosm of a problem which has faced us all at one time or another?

If you can not see how this belongs in this thread, then you must believe that it is fine for these "travellers" to behave in such a way that it interrupts a community scheduled event, or that there is no real issue here? I can't believe that the people of Leicestershire see it the same way as you

Also this post was in no way written to play down the suffering of previous posts however severe or otherwise.

[Daggers]

Knowing three kids who were hyper about running today - I have no problem proclaiming the travellers to be a bunch of cvnts.

[Alexikokopops]

I had no idea that there was a standard to which my post did not measure up to. Maybe this is an microcosm of a problem which has faced us all at one time or another?

If you can not see how this belongs in this thread, then you must believe that it is fine for these "travellers" to behave in such a way that it interrupts a community scheduled event, or that there is no real issue here? I can't believe that the people of Leicestershire see it the same way as you

Also this post was in no way written to play down the suffering of previous posts however severe or otherwise.

It has to measure up to my standards Thomas

To be fair I think travellers can be ****s (having had to clean up after them when working as a bin man), I just don't think it's quite on a level of some of the things mentioned in here

[Ultra]

It has to measure up to my standards Thomas

To be fair I think travellers can be ****s (having had to clean up after them when working as a bin man), I just don't think it's quite on a level of some of the things mentioned in here

Well said.

It's not like they're putting lives at risk.

While they should and will be moved from the park (probably next week), part of the problem lies with those councils who refused to provide adequate sites for them when there was a legal duty for them to do so.

[Daggers]

...part of the problem lies with those councils who refused to provide adequate sites for them when there was a legal duty for them to do so.

And part of the problem is the refusal of travellers to buy land for them to collectively use when there is a moral duty for them to do so.

[Head Honcho]

Knowing three kids who were hyper about running today - I have no problem proclaiming the travellers to be a bunch of cvnts.

I don't usually tar one social group with the same brush but come I've yet to meet a traveller/gypo who wouldn't sell his granny for a fiver

They're a bunch of thieving twats.

[NewquayFox]

Denis Wise is a Pikey.

[Guest]

While they should and will be moved from the park (probably next week), part of the problem lies with those councils who refused to provide adequate sites for them when there was a legal duty for them to do so.

And part of the problem is the refusal of travellers to buy land for them to collectively use when there is a moral duty for them to do so.

I'm with Daggers on this. Why should the rest of us pay taxes, pay out on mortgages/rent, pay for utilities etc whilst a particular group feel that they should not? If they don't want to be part of society, then we should give them nothing.

[Hullfox]

I'm with Daggers on this. Why should the rest of us pay taxes, pay out on mortgages/rent, pay for utilities etc whilst a particular group feel that they should not? If they don't want to be part of society, then we should give them nothing.

I'm with Daggers and Lisa on this. I work my butt off week in week out to pay my way and bring up my kids properly. I abhor the fact that my taxes can be even considered to fund this group of idiots in their way of life. As for the council having an obligation to look after them, thats outrageous.

They offer society nothing, society should offer them nothing.

[Daggers]

Brilliant!

Now let's go burn some caravans!

[davieG]

Brilliant!

Now let's go burn some caravans!

Sounds like a cue for a song!

Burns some caravans, burn some caravans!

Someone beat you to it.

As for the people themselves they choose to be on the road unshackled by society they should not expect to have the support of that society on call when they feel the need. After all those of us who embrace society can't choose when we wish to ignore it to do our own thing.

[stez]

Sounds like a cue for a song!

Burns some caravans, burn some caravans!

Someone beat you to it.

As for the people themselves they choose to be on the road unshackled by society they should not expect to have the support of that society on call when they feel the need. After all those of us who embrace society can't choose when we wish to ignore it to do our own thing.

playing devils advocate here, but surely you have the choice to 'opt out'?

[Daggers]

playing devils advocate here, but surely you have the choice to 'opt out'?

You do - but that means opting out of healthcare, policing, social services, education and everything else that you no longer financially contribute towards.

[davieG]

playing devils advocate here, but surely you have the choice to 'opt out'?

We can't selectively opt out though can we?

For example I couldn't go on holiday and park a caravan on the promenade, car park or local park I'd get moved off immediately, or turn up with my children at a different school and expect them to take them in they do even if the school is already over subscribed or if I leave some rubbish on the pavement that has spilt over form my bin I'll get a threatening letter or visit from the council pronto, not them we pay to have it cleaned up as we wave them on their way.

These people do the equivalent all of that even though they've chosen to live outside of society and I've no problem with that but I don't feel they should be allowed to opt into the bits they fancy.

For me it's all or nothing.

Daggers has put it more succinctly than me.

[stez]

You do - but that means opting out of healthcare, policing, social services, education and everything else that you no longer financially contribute towards.

We can't selectively opt out though can we?

For example I couldn't go on holiday and park a caravan on the promenade, car park or local park I'd get moved off immediately, or turn up with my children at a different school and expect them to take them in they do even if the school is already over subscribed or if I leave some rubbish on the pavement that has spilt over form my bin I'll get a threatening letter or visit from the council pronto, not them we pay to have it cleaned up as we wave them on their way.

These people do the equivalent all of that even though they've chosen to live outside of society and I've no problem with that but I don't feel they should be allowed to opt into the bits they fancy.

For me it's all or nothing.

Daggers has put it more succinctly than me.

like i said i was playing devils advocate, but i guess from the govenments point of view, their kids haven't chosen to opt out of anything.

anyhoo, what used to piss me of more was the no mark i used to live next door to, i'd come in from work, having paid my tax, then paid council tax on that taxed income, trying to save up for new windows and heating while the workshy sod next door got all that for nothing.

[davieG]

like i said i was playing devils advocate, but i guess from the govenments point of view, their kids haven't chosen to opt out of anything.

anyhoo, what used to piss me of more was the no mark i used to live next door to, i'd come in from work, having paid my tax, then paid council tax on that taxed income, trying to save up for new windows and heating while the workshy sod next door got all that for nothing.

Them as well!

[Zingari]

The problem that gypsies face, is that they offend the sensibilities of the whole spectrum of society , from the working class, through claret drinking socialists , and right up to the landed gentry . so they become fair game for any sort of bigotry and criticism of them .

Mass immigration of people that behave differenty usually only affects the lower working class in run down areas , and therefore any concerns regarding their affect on the lives in this group is immediately met with cries of racism from the very same people who seem to think that gypsies can all be "classified" in way not acceptable to other groups

yours sincerely

A Diddycoy

[Webbo]

The problem that gypsies face, is that they offend the sensibilities of the whole spectrum of society , from the working class, through claret drinking socialists , and right up to the landed gentry . so they become fair game for any sort of bigotry and criticism of them .

Mass immigration of people that behave differenty usually only affects the lower working class in run down areas , and therefore any concerns regarding their affect on the lives in this group is immediately met with cries of racism from the very same people who seem to think that gypsies can all be "classified" in way not acceptable to other groups

yours sincerely

A Diddycoy

That's partly true, however gypsies do tend to go out of their way to live up to their stereotype. For instance they could argue that they needed somewhere to stay when set up camp on the playing fields near my mother's. They didn't however need to fill the kids sandpit with shit though.

Edited 5 October 2008 by Webbo

[Zingari]

That's partly true, however gypsies do tend to go out of their way to live up to their stereotype. For instance they could argue that they needed somewhere to stay when set up camp on the playing fields near my mother's. They didn't however need to fill the kids sandpit with shit though.

yes that is true ,

but i didn't say that any criticism of them was "unjustified" , i was saying that it was "unique", inasmuch as that when they are castigated en masse, it is seen to be more acceptable because of whose lives they blight , rather than what misery they cause

i'm fairly sure that if they're movements could be contained away from certain " better" areas , no criticism would be allowed and quickly decried as racism

Edited 5 October 2008 by Zingari

[Daggers]

Baby killer given life sentence

A father who murdered his baby daughter by snapping her spine will spend at least 22 years in prison.

James Howson, 25, was given a life sentence at Leeds Crown Court for the murder of 16-month-old Amy at their home in Doncaster, South Yorkshire.

He was convicted of murder on Tuesday after a jury heard he held Amy over his knee and broke her back in two.

I'm fvcking speechless.

[dandannieldanok]

Sickening.

[Guest]

I'm fvcking speechless.

I saw the news report, and thought "what a c***".

I've said it before, and will say it again, but some people should not be allowed to have children.