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1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Why do they advertise Freeview when every telly in the country already has access to it?

Their profits come from advertisers, they need to keep telling you that you dont need sky etc... keeping viewers on freeview means they can charge their advertisers more.

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What would you do if you know someone lied about being sick at work? Saw her out on instagram. This girl is supposed to help me with stuff since I got promoted but she’s thick as pigshit and awful at her job. I don’t have any say in these decisions but we aren’t gonna renew her contract after summer, but she’s always taking the piss with holidays and sick days. 

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2 hours ago, DanNDH88 said:

What would you do if you know someone lied about being sick at work? Saw her out on instagram. This girl is supposed to help me with stuff since I got promoted but she’s thick as pigshit and awful at her job. I don’t have any say in these decisions but we aren’t gonna renew her contract after summer, but she’s always taking the piss with holidays and sick days. 

I'd talk to her in the first instance and tell her that you know she's lied about being sick. That alone might buck her ideas up and stop her doing it again.

 

I'd explain that she's making your job more difficult by not being there and that's not fair on you. 

 

If you know that she won't be there after summer anyway then you could say you'll tell the boss if she does it again.

 

She might hate you for it but if you're O.K. with that then I'd call her out on it.

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22 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I'd talk to her in the first instance and tell her that you know she's lied about being sick. That alone might buck her ideas up and stop her doing it again.

 

I'd explain that she's making your job more difficult by not being there and that's not fair on you. 

 

If you know that she won't be there after summer anyway then you could say you'll tell the boss if she does it again.

 

She might hate you for it but if you're O.K. with that then I'd call her out on it.

I agree with this. What she's done is piss poor, but I think a quiet word is the best starting point. If she's leaving anyway going down the disciplinary route is a waste of everyone's time, and even if she wasn't, I'm not really a fan.

 

You get the best results out of people by making them feel important and valued, I find. If they then take the mick, you've got the ammunition to do some proper emotional blackmail on them

 

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Does anyone scuba dive and if so, why would it be so challenging to get these Thai boys out of the cave? 

 

Once they're comfortable breathing through a scuba tank, what makes cave diving specifically difficult? I know it's dark but I assume if you had torches and you were leading them out one by one you'd get it done in a couple of days, taking your time? 

 

Obviously it isn't that straightforward so my question is just does anyone know why? 

 

Are there strong currents down there or what? 

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43 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Does anyone scuba dive and if so, why would it be so challenging to get these Thai boys out of the cave? 

 

Once they're comfortable breathing through a scuba tank, what makes cave diving specifically difficult? I know it's dark but I assume if you had torches and you were leading them out one by one you'd get it done in a couple of days, taking your time? 

 

Obviously it isn't that straightforward so my question is just does anyone know why? 

 

Are there strong currents down there or what? 

It's pitch black, going through tunnels, apparently it's about 1.5km.i'd shit myself if I had to do it, if you're an untrained kid it must be terrifying.

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Yeah definitely, I'm not suggesting it would be easy but surely it's preferable to leaving them in there for four months which must also come with an enormous amount of risk? 

 

I assume the divers aren't going blind, they must have some pretty good lamps etc? 

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2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

Yeah definitely, I'm not suggesting it would be easy but surely it's preferable to leaving them in there for four months which must also come with an enormous amount of risk? 

 

I assume the divers aren't going blind, they must have some pretty good lamps etc? 

For one thing none of them can swim which makes it a massive challenge to escort them through any narrow tunnels or vertical ascents, let alone doing so without one of the kids knocking against the rocks and injuring themselves or compromising their gear in the middle of a long underwater stretch...  I suppose if they could set up a guideline system and get the kids to pull their way to safety it might make things easier but how long would that take?

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3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

Does anyone scuba dive and if so, why would it be so challenging to get these Thai boys out of the cave? 

 

Once they're comfortable breathing through a scuba tank, what makes cave diving specifically difficult? I know it's dark but I assume if you had torches and you were leading them out one by one you'd get it done in a couple of days, taking your time? 

 

Obviously it isn't that straightforward so my question is just does anyone know why? 

 

Are there strong currents down there or what? 

Its the risk to the diver I think is the main worry. Its pitch black and extremely narrow one wrong move and could easily be fatal for the diver / child. Its also 1.2 miles of caves.

 

Plus they are expecting a monsoon in the next day or so, so its only going to make it harder.

 

 

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They're currently on a ledge a couple of hundred metres up from what was thought to be a safe spot that's now flooded though, right? 

 

With the worsening rainy season is it not going to flood further down there? 

 

I'd be terrified to know what their actual odds of survival for the four months are. 

 

The whole things tragic either way to be fair, thoughts really with them. 

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23 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

They're currently on a ledge a couple of hundred metres up from what was thought to be a safe spot that's now flooded though, right? 

 

With the worsening rainy season is it not going to flood further down there? 

 

I'd be terrified to know what their actual odds of survival for the four months are. 

 

The whole things tragic either way to be fair, thoughts really with them. 

They'll feed them and keep them warm, treat any urgent medical issues and then take them through a PADI crash course, stick em in wetsuits and swim them up on a line, one by one.

 

It'll be shit scary for them and the key will be that they live if they don't panic but I'm not seeing another way out for these kids right now...

 

These are the risks:

 

He cautioned against the dive option:

This is one of the more extreme cave dives that I have done. It is very far, and very complex. There is current. The visibility can be zero at times. So getting boys through there one by one, and the risk that they will panic is there. They can’t even swim. This has been done before with pulling people out of wrecks alive. So it is not impossible, but the issue is the restrictions - just one person can fit through. So guiding a boy through in front of you could be quite challenging, especially if the rain picks up and there’s a strong flow and the visibility reduces to zero. When it starts raining the flow is so hard you can barely swim against it.

It took us four hours just to swim to the point where we had to tie off the lines. It is really long swim. So it is really hard to give an opinion on what is the best solution. 

I think the weather is going to be the deciding factor.

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Just checking my passport as im on holiday next month and it appears ive signed my name under the line instead of above it.

Called the helpline and they said its still valid but has anyone made the same mistake and have they encountered any problems?

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How does it take normally to settle in a job?

Been in current one for just over two months, but still don't feel 'at peak' in terms of all job aspects and fitting in with fellow colleagues who've been there longer yet.

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9 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

How does it take normally to settle in a job?

Been in current one for just over two months, but still don't feel 'at peak' in terms of all job aspects and fitting in with fellow colleagues who've been there longer yet.

just stick to your corner skank and we will get on just fine

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10 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

How does it take normally to settle in a job?

Been in current one for just over two months, but still don't feel 'at peak' in terms of all job aspects and fitting in with fellow colleagues who've been there longer yet.

Swear you asked this 3 months ago.

 

Last job took maybe a month to get up to speed, current one took probably 3-4 months, it just depends whether the role and/or your colleagues are your kind of thing I reckon

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On 03/07/2018 at 15:12, Swan Lesta said:

They'll feed them and keep them warm, treat any urgent medical issues and then take them through a PADI crash course, stick em in wetsuits and swim them up on a line, one by one.

 

It'll be shit scary for them and the key will be that they live if they don't panic but I'm not seeing another way out for these kids right now...

 

These are the risks:

 

He cautioned against the dive option:

This is one of the more extreme cave dives that I have done. It is very far, and very complex. There is current. The visibility can be zero at times. So getting boys through there one by one, and the risk that they will panic is there. They can’t even swim. This has been done before with pulling people out of wrecks alive. So it is not impossible, but the issue is the restrictions - just one person can fit through. So guiding a boy through in front of you could be quite challenging, especially if the rain picks up and there’s a strong flow and the visibility reduces to zero. When it starts raining the flow is so hard you can barely swim against it.

It took us four hours just to swim to the point where we had to tie off the lines. It is really long swim. So it is really hard to give an opinion on what is the best solution. 

I think the weather is going to be the deciding factor.

 

 

Wonder if it might be a good idea to slightly sedate them ...    one child with one diver and hopefully it should go well.

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2 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Wonder if it might be a good idea to slightly sedate them ...    one child with one diver and hopefully it should go well.

It's not just a straight line though. there are ups and downs. some parts are dry and need to be crawled along.

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20 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

How does it take normally to settle in a job?

Been in current one for just over two months, but still don't feel 'at peak' in terms of all job aspects and fitting in with fellow colleagues who've been there longer yet.

 

been in my current job nearly 5 years and still don't feel like I'm a part of the gang.

 

I do work remotely most of the time but I've visited the office hundreds of times in the last 5 years so should feel a part of the furniture by now.

 

it is in Bradford though so I'm just a filthy southerner. 

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44 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

How does it take normally to settle in a job?

Been in current one for just over two months, but still don't feel 'at peak' in terms of all job aspects and fitting in with fellow colleagues who've been there longer yet.

There's no 'right' answer to this Wymesy.

 

Most probation periods are 3 months because that gives the employer enough time to gauge if the employee 'fits in' or not.

 

Depends what you mean by 'at peak' too. It can take people a lot longer than 2 months to feel comfortable with all the processes, procedures and culture of a new workplace.

 

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35 minutes ago, Webbo said:

It's not just a straight line though. there are ups and downs. some parts are dry and need to be crawled along.

 

I know I’ve seen the map of the cave ...  maybe the dry bits could be resting points and a time to calm the child down ...    only a thought anyway ...   either way it’s not going to be easy but maybe the best option.

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On 05/07/2018 at 20:23, Wymeswold fox said:

How does it take normally to settle in a job?

Been in current one for just over two months, but still don't feel 'at peak' in terms of all job aspects and fitting in with fellow colleagues who've been there longer yet.

Like others say there's no real correct answer to this.  Indeed I'd go even further and say that unless you're very fortunate the reality is that it's a constant flux where some weeks you're king of the world, bossing your duties and getting on great with your colleagues then the next week  shit hits the fan, you can't do anything right and you feel like everyone hates you - which they might if you keep cocking up - so you knuckle down and fix the problems which leads to the next week of being king of the world etc.

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5 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Like others say there's no real correct answer to this.  Indeed I'd go even further and say that unless you're very fortunate the reality is that it's a constant flux where some weeks you're king of the world, bossing your duties and getting on great with your colleagues then the next week  shit hits the fan, you can't do anything right and you feel like everyone hates you - which they might if you keep cocking up - so you knuckle down and fix the problems which leads to the next week of being king of the world etc.

You should send that to Claude Puel.

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