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The "do they mean us?" thread

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3 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

If anyone gets a few minutes to read a piece I did inspired by this thread and the mud that was thrown on all LCFC sackings, that'd be great :) 

 

http://englandshirefootball.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/this-is-how-it-feels-to-be-leicester.html

Absolutely top drawer. Every word of it spot on. Couldn't sum my thoughts up any more.

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1 hour ago, davieG said:

http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/65674

 

 

Leicester City; the sound of chickens coming back to roost

by Tony Attwood

Whenever we cover the dodgy doings by football clubs on this site, we sometimes get emails saying “your club is just as bad” and “why don’t you just write about your club” and then a few things that are not really repeatable.  

So we’ll take those as read, and remind everyone that the headline of this site used to be “Football news from an Arsenal perspective”.   I can’t remember why that got changed, but anyone, I’ve just changed it back.  

Anyway, I’ve always felt that was our brief, along with several special areas of interest.  Including economics – not to mention dubious goings on, odd behaviour, fines and court cases.

And it is rather odd that in and among the news these last few months we have found Leicester City FC’s name comes up quite a lot.  

It all started, you might recall, with that business of them being promoted and seemingly spending far more than FFP allowed in doing so.  That one recently started hovering around when QPR where caught in the same net and lost their appeal.  I think they are appealing again, but basically as things stand QPR are in trouble, and if Leicester ever get relegated again then the Championship is going to impose a pretty big fine and a transfer ban.  

QPR have been told to pay the EFL £40m after being found guilty of breaking those rules at the same time as Leicester.  Failure to pay would mean expulsion from the League.   Leicester are ok for now because the PL doesn’t collect fines on behalf of the Football League, so they are rather keen to stay up.

But that was only for starters.  For then there was that curious business of their marketing and publicity company that no one could find, but which was bringing in huge, huge and then mega huge incomes to help Leicester stay on the right side of FFP in the Premier League.  That one’s gone a bit quiet, but these things never quite have the habit of vanishing for good.

And then third we reported that Leicester’s owner might be in a spot of local difficulty over his dealings in the airports of Thailand.   We did a little resume a few months back.

Anyway, criminal proceedings against the owners of Leicester City in respect of an unpaid £323 million owing to the Thai government have now come to life once more.  (I suspect they sent a cheque but it has got lost in the post).   The accusation from the state is that this is the money that it is said to be owed by King Power and King Power’s owners, Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha, and his son Aiyawatt.

King Power you may recall was given a booze selling monopoly in the airports by the PM of the country, Thaksin Shinawatra, who used to own Manchester City.  I was going to write a quick summary of Shinawatra’s difficulties with the law since then but there is no way I can find of summarising the multiplicity of course cases.  If you are fascinated try Wiki – but you might want to set aside several hours to cover the detail.

But to summarise Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha set up a small shop in Bangkok called King Power and then in a way I don’t understand got the exclusive franchise for duty free sales at Suvarnabhumi airport. Thaksin Shinawatra may have been involved.  But he went out in a military coup.

Back with King Power, a judge at Thailand’s central court for corruption and misconduct cases ruled that criminal allegations presented to the court in July should go ahead to see if King Power really has withheld £327m from the money it was to pay the state for the right to run the duty free shops.

The argument is that King Power worked hand in glove with airport staff so that the amount of duty free sales recorded was a mere pittance of the amount actually owed.  In the end it is said they only paid 3% of the revenue to the state rather than 15%.  Quite a difference.

There are also cases against 14 airport officials, two other King Power companies and Sombat Dechapanichkul, the chief operating officer of King Power International.   The official court summary of the preliminaries said, “From the examination of the lawsuit, the court sees that the case is within the authority of the Central Court for Corruption and Misconduct case, and the lawsuit is in accordance with the Procedures for Corruption and Malfeasance Case Act.”

The lawsuit was filed by Charnchai Issarasenarak, former deputy chairman of a government anti-corruption subcommittee,   King Power then filed a libel lawsuit against Charnchai in February this year, claiming defamation in statements he made alleging corruption.

King Power problems with the Football League which arise from the fact that having bought Leicester City for £39m when the club was in the Championship they then loaned the club more than £100m saying that it had come from the hard-to-locate marketing company.

The prosecution and defence in the criminal case will now submit further evidence and lists of witnesses to be heard, with suggestions that the case may come to trial in March. In the original lawsuit, Charnchai listed the current prime minister of Thailand, General Prayuth Chan O-Cha, as the second witness.

King Power responded, “King Power has always followed and been absolutely committed to the highest standards in proper and ethical business practice. We are proud of our company’s good name and honest reputation and will fight rigorously any attempts to discredit them.”

So what might happen to Leicester if the corruption case against its owners is proven?   The King Power men might have to stand down, although the rules of the League are, of course, obscure.  When it comes to protecting the league from dodgy owners they always are.

The UK has an extradition treaty with Thailand.

Obviously this sad little Arsehole Fan can’t find anything interesting about his own club that he has to look for dirt on other clubs!!

On the other hand tho I’m sure our owners will be found not guilty with any fraudulent activity ?

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5 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

If anyone gets a few minutes to read a piece I did inspired by this thread and the mud that was thrown on all LCFC sackings, that'd be great :) 

 

http://englandshirefootball.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/this-is-how-it-feels-to-be-leicester.html

Great piece of writing, but I can't stop getting distracted and annoyed by Englandshire

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3 hours ago, davieG said:

http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/65674

 

 

Leicester City; the sound of chickens coming back to roost

by Tony Attwood

Whenever we cover the dodgy doings by football clubs on this site, we sometimes get emails saying “your club is just as bad” and “why don’t you just write about your club” and then a few things that are not really repeatable.  

So we’ll take those as read, and remind everyone that the headline of this site used to be “Football news from an Arsenal perspective”.   I can’t remember why that got changed, but anyone, I’ve just changed it back.  

Anyway, I’ve always felt that was our brief, along with several special areas of interest.  Including economics – not to mention dubious goings on, odd behaviour, fines and court cases.

And it is rather odd that in and among the news these last few months we have found Leicester City FC’s name comes up quite a lot.  

It all started, you might recall, with that business of them being promoted and seemingly spending far more than FFP allowed in doing so.  That one recently started hovering around when QPR where caught in the same net and lost their appeal.  I think they are appealing again, but basically as things stand QPR are in trouble, and if Leicester ever get relegated again then the Championship is going to impose a pretty big fine and a transfer ban.  

QPR have been told to pay the EFL £40m after being found guilty of breaking those rules at the same time as Leicester.  Failure to pay would mean expulsion from the League.   Leicester are ok for now because the PL doesn’t collect fines on behalf of the Football League, so they are rather keen to stay up.

But that was only for starters.  For then there was that curious business of their marketing and publicity company that no one could find, but which was bringing in huge, huge and then mega huge incomes to help Leicester stay on the right side of FFP in the Premier League.  That one’s gone a bit quiet, but these things never quite have the habit of vanishing for good.

And then third we reported that Leicester’s owner might be in a spot of local difficulty over his dealings in the airports of Thailand.   We did a little resume a few months back.

Anyway, criminal proceedings against the owners of Leicester City in respect of an unpaid £323 million owing to the Thai government have now come to life once more.  (I suspect they sent a cheque but it has got lost in the post).   The accusation from the state is that this is the money that it is said to be owed by King Power and King Power’s owners, Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha, and his son Aiyawatt.

King Power you may recall was given a booze selling monopoly in the airports by the PM of the country, Thaksin Shinawatra, who used to own Manchester City.  I was going to write a quick summary of Shinawatra’s difficulties with the law since then but there is no way I can find of summarising the multiplicity of course cases.  If you are fascinated try Wiki – but you might want to set aside several hours to cover the detail.

But to summarise Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha set up a small shop in Bangkok called King Power and then in a way I don’t understand got the exclusive franchise for duty free sales at Suvarnabhumi airport. Thaksin Shinawatra may have been involved.  But he went out in a military coup.

Back with King Power, a judge at Thailand’s central court for corruption and misconduct cases ruled that criminal allegations presented to the court in July should go ahead to see if King Power really has withheld £327m from the money it was to pay the state for the right to run the duty free shops.

The argument is that King Power worked hand in glove with airport staff so that the amount of duty free sales recorded was a mere pittance of the amount actually owed.  In the end it is said they only paid 3% of the revenue to the state rather than 15%.  Quite a difference.

There are also cases against 14 airport officials, two other King Power companies and Sombat Dechapanichkul, the chief operating officer of King Power International.   The official court summary of the preliminaries said, “From the examination of the lawsuit, the court sees that the case is within the authority of the Central Court for Corruption and Misconduct case, and the lawsuit is in accordance with the Procedures for Corruption and Malfeasance Case Act.”

The lawsuit was filed by Charnchai Issarasenarak, former deputy chairman of a government anti-corruption subcommittee,   King Power then filed a libel lawsuit against Charnchai in February this year, claiming defamation in statements he made alleging corruption.

King Power problems with the Football League which arise from the fact that having bought Leicester City for £39m when the club was in the Championship they then loaned the club more than £100m saying that it had come from the hard-to-locate marketing company.

The prosecution and defence in the criminal case will now submit further evidence and lists of witnesses to be heard, with suggestions that the case may come to trial in March. In the original lawsuit, Charnchai listed the current prime minister of Thailand, General Prayuth Chan O-Cha, as the second witness.

King Power responded, “King Power has always followed and been absolutely committed to the highest standards in proper and ethical business practice. We are proud of our company’s good name and honest reputation and will fight rigorously any attempts to discredit them.”

So what might happen to Leicester if the corruption case against its owners is proven?   The King Power men might have to stand down, although the rules of the League are, of course, obscure.  When it comes to protecting the league from dodgy owners they always are.

The UK has an extradition treaty with Thailand.

Two things:

1. Arsenal "earned" more in prize money than us when we won the league (and finished 10 points ahead of them) and they want to complain about alleged Financial Fair Play?

2. He should take a look at the people involved with Arsenal when talking about dodgy owners - which has been brought to light in the recent Paradise Papers leaks: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/arsenal-everton-stakeholders-close-ties-leaked-files-alisher-usmanov-farhad-moshiri

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1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Two things:

1. Arsenal "earned" more in prize money than us when we won the league (and finished 10 points ahead of them) and they want to complain about alleged Financial Fair Play?

2. He should take a look at the people involved with Arsenal when talking about dodgy owners - which has been brought to light in the recent Paradise Papers leaks: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/arsenal-everton-stakeholders-close-ties-leaked-files-alisher-usmanov-farhad-moshiri

Call people ‘dodgy’ in articles available to read in the public domain, before a legal case has been heard, is not something I would be doing.  This Arsehole Bellend may wish to refrain from mouthing off in case King Power‘s Legal Eagles send him something unpleasant in the post.

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8 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

If anyone gets a few minutes to read a piece I did inspired by this thread and the mud that was thrown on all LCFC sackings, that'd be great :) 

 

http://englandshirefootball.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/this-is-how-it-feels-to-be-leicester.html

I’ve only just gotten around to reading this and it’s utterly brilliant. The most beautifully written and comprehensive piece on the hypocrisy and idiocy that surround others’ opinions on Leicester City.

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10 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

If anyone gets a few minutes to read a piece I did inspired by this thread and the mud that was thrown on all LCFC sackings, that'd be great :) 

 

http://englandshirefootball.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/this-is-how-it-feels-to-be-leicester.html

Very nicely done, enjoyable read and I found myself nodding in agreement all the way through. Are you not a little conscious though that we're developing a bit of a victim mentality? I'd hate for us to become one of those clubs whose fans are known for sulking and claiming the world is against them (not that the tone of your article was sulky at all by the way). 

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11 hours ago, justfoxes said:

Obviously this sad little Arsehole Fan can’t find anything interesting about his own club that he has to look for dirt on other clubs!!

On the other hand tho I’m sure our owners will be found not guilty with any fraudulent activity ?

Our owners aren't even named. It's the company and a named individual not our owners.

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8 hours ago, Wookie said:

I’ve only just gotten around to reading this and it’s utterly brilliant. The most beautifully written and comprehensive piece on the hypocrisy and idiocy that surround others’ opinions on Leicester City.

Thanks a lot mate. Haven't done anything for a while so I'm going to try and get in to writing a bit with this blog. 

 

6 hours ago, MarshallForEngland said:

Very nicely done, enjoyable read and I found myself nodding in agreement all the way through. Are you not a little conscious though that we're developing a bit of a victim mentality? I'd hate for us to become one of those clubs whose fans are known for sulking and claiming the world is against them (not that the tone of your article was sulky at all by the way). 

Cheers mate. Good point, I suppose criticism is just part of being in the spotlight. I didnt want to whinge too much, but it's so easy when the pundits are so bad!

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21 hours ago, davieG said:

<rumours, fake news, unsubstantiated drivel, wishful thinking, pure fantasy>

 

I'm not saying our owners are saints but this was just so much absolute bollocks there if it wasn't some shocking fan site blog that nobody cares about then they'd probably be staring down the barrel of a libel suit. 

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23 hours ago, davieG said:

http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/65674

 

 

Leicester City; the sound of chickens coming back to roost

by Tony Attwood

Whenever we cover the dodgy doings by football clubs on this site, we sometimes get emails saying “your club is just as bad” and “why don’t you just write about your club” and then a few things that are not really repeatable.  

 

Like Henry Norris, for example?

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If I read someone still banging on about FFP in the Championship, in my head it sets off an instant trigger that the person talking about is an absolute melt of the highest order and their opinions are absolutely worthless. FFP is an abomination, an anti-competitive abortion designed to keep smaller clubs from ever achieving anything, and stop owners from investing in their business to grow it.

 

We were set up to fail FFP, we had invested heavily pre FFP, and because of how transfer expenditure is declared, we were already tied in to having to declare losses on failures like Mills, Beckford, Danns as transfer costs are spread over the duration of the players contract. Then, after we'd already spent the money, new rules were invented which we had no chance of complying with, because we had already broken them before they existed, and we had no chance of blocking them as the other Championship clubs voted them in because they saw it as an easy way of stopping us or QPR from being a threat to them. Of course, many of those who voted for these rules, such as Forest and Bournemouth, have since gone on to break these rules, because when you need to get a better squad, how can you do it without spending money? You can't, so you can only sit there like good little spendthrifts as the same few clubs cycle in and out of the Prem, using their parachute payments to outgun everyone else. What's that, a massive disparity in available money to spend for clubs in the same competition? That doesn't sound very sporting or fair, but its A-OK in the world of FFP. Buying players at Udinese then flogging them to your other club Watford for a pound? Perfectly fine in FFP land. Just don't be borrowing any money and then paying interest on it to grow your business, that's not on.

 

What did we spend when we were crowned champions? Free transfers for GTF and Phillips, a nominal sum on Dean Hammond, and £400k on Mahrez, a player now worth 50 million. Sounds like very sensible and smart transfer spending, so obviously the kind of thing that needs to be cracked down on straight away. Fine them! Then, when they make a loss the following season because of the fine, fine them again.

 

FFP belongs in the bin, and only exists so that big clubs (like Arsenal, funnily enough) have trousered more than their fair share in the past, and want to pull up the drawbridge so no-one else can ever challenge them again, leaving the big clubs to pick up their plunder every year, without the threat of actual competition endangering that for them.

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I'm not sure I've ever met a football fan who doesn't think the media is against their club. 

I'm sure most clubs complain but we've had some utter shite thrown our way. The soul of football dying is one thing, the death of British coaching another but criticising our Thai owners for not knowing about a cricket series in Australia is a whole new level.

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