Kitchandro

That’s why you don’t base your opinion on one result. Martin isn’t criticised because he didn’t win a game, he’s criticised because his footballing philosophy is provably bad. Too many people on here are willing to base their feelings on the last match. The result was irrelevant today, Martin should not be in this job.

Excuses being made for him on the match thread but his results over a long period of time speak for themselves.

The system makes it more likely that individual errors will lead to goals.

Got to be joking

Let’s not get started on Vestergaard and Schmeichel…

‘I’m not using it as an excuse, the young lads have got to be less naive’.

Loads of people said it.

But all of these managers you’ve listed are crap. Regardless of the other issues, there’s no point committing to someone crap. We all agree that King Power are the problem here - but a large part of that is them hiring substandard personnel, whether that be players, managers or other staff.

But not enough to show some pride in the shirt, based on the last few seasons? The reality is that the players’ attitude is driven by the internal culture of the club, including but not limited to that of the manager. So even when we replace players, the new ones still think it’s ok to put in half a shift. Again, players need to be mature and professional enough to acknowledge that the negativity is warranted and based on the past few seasons, isn’t personal, and will only change if they take the results as personally as the fans. In reality footballers look for a way to pass the buck and get a transfer. Footballers are not poor victims, they are the privileged class who aren’t willing to make even the most basic sacrifices for their club (see Winks, see no one boycotting World Cups). If they care as much as the fans do I expect them to have the same standards instead of hiding and saying it’s hard to play under pressure and need time to implement the process etc. That won’t wash anymore, it’s results or get out.

By this logic whenever we win it isn’t because the style of play. So why is he so committed to it?

‘It doesn’t bother me’ = it absolutely does bother me and that’s why I’m bringing it up and moaning about it. Russell, if you’re reading this I do hate you and yes it is personal. I hope you get sent to the ironic punishment division in hell and get forced to watch your own football for the rest of eternity.

I’ve always thought there were holes in the plan, even under Vichai. The fact is, King Power are not knowledgeable football people and they don’t surround themselves with people who are. There were signs they didn’t care about the fans, didn’t know how to scout a manager, spent too much money on gambles, etc. But they got some big decisions right that mitigated the mistakes. But things have been unravelling in double quick time since early in Top’s reign. And the difference is, I suspect, Top doesn’t care enough about his own reputation to put in effort and make decisions. Vichai did things wrong, but he made decisions. So, King Power were never the heroes everyone made them out to be. They had quite a bit of luck. But Top is clearly so, so bad at what he does that of course we can trace the decline back to him. It takes a special kind of shite to run things this badly.

Disappointing. Burnley FFS.

That’s the Scots for you. They think they are the wise, salt of the earth footballing utopia. And look at how wholesome they are when they go abroad. Why can’t the English be more like that?

I saw a bloke wearing a Forest shirt at the barbers the other week. There was a 20 year period where you never saw any. I’m not sure I can blame Top and Rudkin for that directly, but…nah I’m going to anyway. It sums up the situation.