Vocal-Legend!! Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 you say it is not our home. financial wise your right. But this is about us. If Football was just a money mans recreation then it would be likened to polo. for the elite. Football is not. Football has Tradition. Football has a Tribal following. Football is a passion for everyone ranging from a Dustbin Man to a Director, or a Student to a Superstar. Football Suppporters are proud of what and who they are. Football is for us, THE FANS, and without us, Football is just a mere kickabout on the park. Therefore our opinions must be inital. Not an afterthought. Our Loyalty must be respected and not cast aside. Our Devotion must be rewarded by trust from the club. And our support must be returned with honesty. This is our stadium. This is our Home. We are blue, therefore our home must be blue. Do not find yourself degrading and devaluing, who we are, what we stand for and the team we love just because of a few alleged extra £. LEICESTER CITY IS OUR TEAM. THE WALKERS IS OUR HOME. LETS NOT GIVE IT UP WITHOUT A FIGHT.
Guest Daniel Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 I agree, no true Leicester City fan could want this to happen. Before the decisions made, fight for the right. When its done, rip up the green seats. Easy.
Hullfox Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 you say it is not our home. financial wise your right. But this is about us.If Football was just a money mans recreation then it would be likened to polo. for the elite. Football is not. Football has Tradition. Football has a Tribal following. Football is a passion for everyone ranging from a Dustbin Man to a Director, or a Student to a Superstar. Football Suppporters are proud of what and who they are. Football is for us, THE FANS, and without us, Football is just a mere kickabout on the park. Therefore our opinions must be inital. Not an afterthought. Our Loyalty must be respected and not cast aside. Our Devotion must be rewarded by trust from the club. And our support must be returned with honesty. This is our stadium. This is our Home. We are blue, therefore our home must be blue. Do not find yourself degrading and devaluing, who we are, what we stand for and the team we love just because of a few alleged extra £. LEICESTER CITY IS OUR TEAM. THE WALKERS IS OUR HOME. LETS NOT GIVE IT UP WITHOUT A FIGHT. 39418[/snapback] It is not our home, it belongs to a group of Americans, we borrow it off them for a fee. Nobody is saying that Football is a money man's recreation, it is the national sport. However at a professional level it takes money to run and like most budgets be they household or business, if your outgoings exceed your incomings, you're in trouble. Football has a tradition - but so did British motor bikes. They refused to invest and change with the times and where are they now? Football has a tribal following - can't argue with that but not sure why it should dictate that we should lease our stadium off Americans as we do at the minute instead of owning it jointly. Football is for us, THE FANS, and without us, Football is just a mere kickabout on the park. - Indeed, and a couple of years ago because of financial mis-management, we were nearly reduced to watching football at the park because our beloved club nearly became non-existent. Therefore our opinions must be inital. Not an afterthought - like the decision to employ Craig Levein and his back room staff? How many businesses ask their customers for input into key financial decisions? This is our stadium. - Sorry but it isn't. As for ripping up the Green seats BM that's just nonsense. And before you rip my head off, my mind is not yet made up, the jury is out with me but I'm waiting till I get all of the information and trying to see it from both sides, not just reacting to a press release and some drawings by a bloke with a few green and red crayons.
Vocal-Legend!! Posted 24 November 2004 Author Posted 24 November 2004 maybe you should try and think about our club as a club rather than how many £Â£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£ they make and who they owe it to. it is our home. THAT IS WHY IT SAYS LEICESTER CITY FOOTBALL CLUB On the fooking door.
TrickyTrev Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 I would love for us to have our own ground and it would all be well and good, but you need only look at the ticket prices to see the desperate need our club is to wipe out the debt owed to Teachers. I would quite happily co-own the Stadium with The Tigers if this meant that ticket prices could be reduced or at least stalled on promotion allowing for a full stadium and a proper atmosphere. It is all very well getting symbolic and idealogical about these things but when we are in as much debt as we are economics play a huge part.
Hullfox Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 maybe you should try and think about our club as a club rather than how many £Â£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£ they make and who they owe it to.it is our home. THAT IS WHY IT SAYS LEICESTER CITY FOOTBALL CLUB On the fooking door. 39431[/snapback] I think you'll find that it says we're a company not a sports club on the fooking door and on the fooking letterheads and at fooking companies house. Please don't try and tell me what I think, I travel hundreds of miles a week to watch the football club who, whether I like it or not are a product of a business.
Hullfox Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 maybe you should try and think about our club as a club rather than how many £Â£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£Ã‚£ they make and who they owe it to.it is our home. THAT IS WHY IT SAYS LEICESTER CITY FOOTBALL CLUB On the fooking door. 39431[/snapback] And on that basis I assume that Administration was not a problem to you. After all we were still a club weren't we regardless of the money aspect?
TrickyTrev Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 Really it is ok having a gung ho attitude that says i care about the club and not the pounds but you will have to accept somehwere along the line that we live in a capitalist world and money is everything. Leicester City Football Club can't exist unless it isfinancially viable, wether that is a good hing or a bad thing I don't know, but we just have to accept that and give our club the support they need to get its finances in order.
Vocal-Legend!! Posted 24 November 2004 Author Posted 24 November 2004 I didnt give £500 of my hard earned, whilst we were in administration, for them to sell our souls. So yes administration did affect me. We have a loan, over a term which is repayable and it will be repayed. We dont need to lose our indiviuality to just pay it off early. So yes i have considered money. It doesnt figure in the decision. If this attrosity doesnt not happen the debt will still be payed. Over 1% interest. And without an early repayment penalty.
Bilko Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 I didnt give £500 of my hard earned, whilst we were in administration, for them to sell our souls.So yes administration did affect me. We have a loan, over a term which is repayable and it will be repayed. We dont need to lose our indiviuality to just pay it off early. So yes i have considered money. It doesnt figure in the decision. If this attrosity doesnt not happen the debt will still be payed. Over 1% interest. And without an early repayment penalty. 39440[/snapback] Being Leicester born and bred l have always supported the City but have been proud of the achievements of both the Tigers and the County. They are as much 'Leicester' as the football club and those that follow them are as passionate as we are about the City. This is about our city and l would welcome the Tigers. They are the best rugby club in the country on and off the pitch. This will only help Craig Levein in the future as he tries to build for the long term, listen to what he is saying. Let get our stadium owned by Leicester people and our club in a better position to compete!
SilverFox Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 Correct this isn't our home...but it never will be if the Tigers own half!!! On our present course we will one day own the stadium, for LCFC! And we won't go back into admin, we are a team with a health turnover currently, and the wage bill has been restructured to cope with the drop in division. Despite this we still have one of the highest budgets! I would rather one day own the stadium for just LCFC rather than never own it because Tigers own half. Our history and our future is not for sale!
Vocal-Legend!! Posted 24 November 2004 Author Posted 24 November 2004 at last someone with a sense of value. nice one silver.
Bilko Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 at last someone with a sense of value.nice one silver. 39449[/snapback] But Silver our history and future were put on the line when we took out the multi million £ loan with Teachers for the stadium. There was not a storm of protest at the time. Fact is our club nearly disappeared because of it and the crass financial mis-management of the old board. The current lot are trying to look at a way forward that will benefit the Club. There is no loss of identity in sharing a stadium. Unlike Watford and QPR, at least our partners are a fellow sports club from our city. I'm sure Wigan fans (and not the fool that keeps appearing here) do not feel any loss of identity because they share a stadium with a great rugby league club. As long as we get convincing anwers to the questions we all want to pose l say back the board and Craig Levein!
Jonbluefox9 Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 We should be thankful that we've still got a football club to support. People seem to have short memories. We were so close to folding. Anything that secures our future is a good thing. If that means sharing with the Tigers then so be it. The board are attempting to stabalise our club so we have a team to follow in years to come and hopefully it'll be a successful one too.
Scow Posted 25 November 2004 Posted 25 November 2004 We should be thankful that we've still got a football club to support. People seem to have short memories. We were so close to folding. Anything that secures our future is a good thing. If that means sharing with the Tigers then so be it. The board are attempting to stabalise our club so we have a team to follow in years to come and hopefully it'll be a successful one too. 39700[/snapback] I thought our future was already stabilised, also backed up by the fact we've made a profit of over £5 Million recently. I know we don't own our stadium, but in time we will. If we accept this then we'll never own our stadium, or be in a position to have complete control. Tigers will have 50% of everything, this will have implicatons on a number of levels. It's sad to see that money is everything in this issue, although that's the reality of running a business. On the other hand, we're the main source of income for this club, if they ignore us, then it could backfire on them financially. I'm glad to see the club are being receptive on this issue now, but on the other hand angered by lack of consultation with the fans before a decision was announced. Why keep these talks in the dark?
Hullfox Posted 25 November 2004 Posted 25 November 2004 We should be thankful that we've still got a football club to support. People seem to have short memories. We were so close to folding. Anything that secures our future is a good thing. If that means sharing with the Tigers then so be it. The board are attempting to stabalise our club so we have a team to follow in years to come and hopefully it'll be a successful one too. 39700[/snapback] I thought our future was already stabilised, also backed up by the fact we've made a profit of over £5 Million recently. I know we don't own our stadium, but in time we will. If we accept this then we'll never own our stadium, or be in a position to have complete control. Tigers will have 50% of everything, this will have implicatons on a number of levels. It's sad to see that money is everything in this issue, although that's the reality of running a business. On the other hand, we're the main source of income for this club, if they ignore us, then it could backfire on them financially. I'm glad to see the club are being receptive on this issue now, but on the other hand angered by lack of consultation with the fans before a decision was announced. Why keep these talks in the dark? 39803[/snapback] I think our future is more stable rather than stabilised. We have the parachute payment to thank for that and the club for cutting the wage bill. I'm not sure how long it would take to own the ground on our own but look at certain clubs who leased their stadium like we are doing now and have run up against big big problems as a result. Wrexham at the moment could go out of business. Their (allegedly) rogue chairman owns the Racecourse Ground and wants amongst other things to sell it to make money for himself. Two seasons ago, Hull City were locked out of their ground by David Lloyd, their estranged owner who refused them entry and threatened to close them down. Brighton lost the use of the Goldstone Ground and are currently using an Athletics Stadium. Even if we did own the stadium, one of the easiest ways of raising any future capital requirements would be through a sale and lease back. Yes we may eventually get to own the Walkers as a club but what if the present or any future owner(s) of the club decide to steer a different course say 10 15 years down the line and sell the asset from under our noses for development purposes? There has to be an argument that says joint ownership could in fact be safer because no single party can dispose of the asset. I'm still not convinced either way about the groundshare though unlike some, I can see some merits.
Ikon_Klow Posted 25 November 2004 Posted 25 November 2004 I am glad to see some really sensible points of view. Hullfox - I agree with your views. I too am undecided but accept the financial reality that both Leicester City and football in general finds itself. I travel from Leeds every home game and can never be accused of not being a true fan. I am also open minded as the best way forward for my beloved football club. Financial stability must be acheived if we are ever to regain the lofty heights that we were all treated to under O'Neil. I trust Tim Davies and I believe that he would never do anything that endangered the future of the club. There are a lot of money grabbing directors in football whose sole goal is to rape and pillage football clubs. We are lucky that we have none of them near are club.
FNQ Posted 25 November 2004 Posted 25 November 2004 I agree, no true Leicester City fan could want this to happen. 39420[/snapback] You stupid #### bitch! How dare you!
Guest Daniel Posted 25 November 2004 Posted 25 November 2004 I agree, no true Leicester City fan could want this to happen. 39420[/snapback] You stupid #### bitch! How dare you! 39948[/snapback] Quite easily...
FNQ Posted 25 November 2004 Posted 25 November 2004 I think your completely out of order saying that those in favour aren't true fans. It's simply that we think it is the best interest of the club, as you think the status quo is in the best interest of the club - which I fail to see.
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