SLOW DOWN - GRIM SEASON AHEAD

[SamuearlJackson]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...anything other than top 6 next season will be a failure. I believe we will have one the top 6 wage bills so there is no reason we should not be there, especially as Levein has had his time to adjust.

I'm still positive about the appointment of Levein and the general quality of the players he has brought in so far. Let us hope that results go our way early next season and we can build some momentum.

SamJ

[Chandler]

Whilst I agree with you that expectations are pretty low amongs the majority of fans I struggle to see that as a good thing. Deep down, it suggests a general lack of confidence in the team and management. [..]

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No. It reflects a more mature and realistic attitude toward the current squad and management. It reflects an understanding that a group of new players need time to gel into a team and that consistency and, hopefully, good results only come after this process is complete.

Had we had this kind of 'phlegmatic' attitude at the start of last season then MA would probably still be managing City.

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I've given up bothering with him Chimp. Whatever you say you 'lose'. If we aim high Channy tells us to calm down, if we are being realistic he then tells us that that is a sign we have no faith in the management, and by implication, therefore, we should aim higher... but oh no... wait a minute...

See where I'm going?

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...in the wrong direction (as usual), Cambridge Fox.

My post had nothing to do with DICTATING what our expectations should be. It is everything to do with EXPLAINING why our expectations have dropped off the bottom of the scale. In fact, expectations now are probably lower at LCFC than at any time since the late 1980's.

Our pessimism is an unconscious vote of no confidence in the management. Instead of being honest about the fact that we really feel Levein and his set-up is not up to the play-offs, some fans choose to cover-up for him and offer all sorts of excuses as to why we should not raise our expectations (need to clear up Adams' 'mess', team needs time to gel, jockstraps are too tight etc).

For the record, my expectations are low and I have no intention of conning myself into believing that we will get promotion next year. Whether I am prepared to be philosophical about this situation is a different matter.

Unless our results are as disastrous as Taylor's and/or a very good proven candidate emerges for his job I won't be going in for a 'Levein Out' campaign once the whistle is blown for the new season (which may prove to be a very ironic statement).

Timing is everything in football and Levein should have gone immediately after our abysmal performance against Plymouth Argyle. Unfortunately we didn't get down to the harbour in time to catch that boat.

I suggest a change in direction - a crash course in semantics, perhaps. Or are you doing one of those non academic majors like pole dancing?

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Chandler, the mess that needs to be cleaned up isn't that of Adams predominantly but rather the fallout from administration. In Adams promotion season he performed an almost impossible task, albeit still with the nucleus of a Premiership squad. We were nonetheless, promoted against the odds.

Unfortunately Adams couldn't keep us in the Premiership, which if he had would have been another minor miracle. However, the strain of administration, conceding late goals, la Manga and the poor form of early last season took its toll on him and he basically cracked under the pressure, although quite understandably.

Levein has inherited the legacy of administration and a team that was faltering badly under Adams' last weeks in charge. Furthermore, Levein has less money to play with than Adams. However, he is a proven rebuilding of teams on a shoestring and, as has been mentioned in numerous other threads, has improved the team's performances dramatically, although there is still a degree of inconsistency.

For you to say he should have been sacked after the Plymouth game is quite absurd - for what? It was the last game of the season with nothing to play for and he was trying a couple of things out. In fact, despite the fact we didn't play too well, we still got a draw away from home.

It's about time you got off your bizarre high-horse when comes to Levein and start backing a manager that has improved the team and has a plan that will hopefully put to rest the legacy of administration - unfortunately that will take years.

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The fall-out from administration...is that the latest woolly revisionist cliche doing the rounds? First we had Adams' inability to manage top players. Then we had Adams' mess. Now we have the fall-out. This all fits a familiar pattern...

The top players weren't cut out for the summit once Levein took us into freefall so they became the 'mess.' Then two back to back wins at the end of the season and suddenly they are top players again. So now Craig has to deal with the 'fall-out.'

'Faltering badly' huh? Check out Adams last six games in charge. We got 11 points from them. That's play-off form. The team was improving. And not in that silly subjective way of individual half hour cameo's. BIG FACTUAL ERROR FRENZIED.

Levein had less money than Adams? Talk about grasping at straws. If this aint six of one and half a dozen of the other than it's threepence looking down at tuppence.Acquisitions policy has barely changed since administration. Signings have to balanced by disposals. Lots of freebies and loanees. And wait for the high rollers to finish their contracts (a bit of that right now).

Ordinarily I might let you get away with 'improvements in performance' but not when you stick in a silly word like 'dramatic.' That implies lots of wins, lots of goals. Unless you are refering to one single game. Derby by any chance? Hate to remind you but Coventry took them apart four days later 6-2...

Indeed it would have been a bold move to get rid of Levein after Plymouth. Not so much for that result but because of results overall under his stewardship and because the close season is the best time for back stabbing. Politically I recognised that was impossible (and said so on this board). Shame that Tim isn't a little more like Jesus Gill the old Athletic Madrid chairman who used to change his managers more often than he changed his briefs.

In the last highlight you have kindly rolled up all your blather about performance and fall-out into one silly woolly unprovable sentence. And you've given yourself a get-out clause. It might take years. This fall-out has a very long half life it seems. Fall-out though is more debilitating immediately after the explosion.

And I seem to remember someone hauling us through the fall-out blizzard and getting us automatic promotion within three months of the same admininistration that you keep harping on about.

I hear the excuses barrel being scraped again...

[SamuearlJackson]

Chandler, it is impossible to avoid the fact that MA resigned though. If he had the bottle/heart for the job (which a manager certainly should) then surely he would have stayed on, especially as form was turning around.

I really don't think there was a massive anti-MA brigade at the club as you are trying to portray. I'm sure MA didn't make his decision based on reading through Talking Balls and Foxes Talk either. Much more likely is that he realised he had lost interest in the job and resigned for the good of all involved.

SamJ

[Fez of Mahrez]

Your problem Chandler is that you see two viewpoints: yours and "other". And anyone who dares to argue against you is pigeon-holed into the same category. Then any differentiation in terms between two respondents is seen as a u-turn by this collective that you choose to create.

I see the term "hounded out" quite a lot in your references to Adams. What sort of man do you take him for? One who is bothered by what a section of the fans, however large or small, think of him? In reality, it was his relationship with the players that cost him his job (the example of Keown stands out in particular), not his rapport with the fans. How many managers resign because their fans boo matches? Not many. Countless managers have responded to media speculation about their future by saying that they are not quitters. Adams probably said this, or something close to it, himself but in the end he realised he didn't want to manage our club any more. And it was time for someone else to come in.

As for Levein, it was a poor season. I don't see how anyone could argue with that. But you don't get very far by going around firing your manager every time you're not happy with him. You have to persist. This cannot be applied to Adams as the board refused Adams' resignation at least once because they believed he was still the man for the job but if someone wants to go, you have to let them.

When Mark McGhee left to join Wolves, we brought Martin O'Neill in and he had a dreadful start. Fans were on his back in a much more ferocious way than anything Adams ever got. A lesser man would have walked away after that Sheffield United game. A lesser board could have sacked him. Thankfully, he wasn't like Micky Adams had become by October last year. He had a quiet, steely determination to prove us wrong and win promotion, much like the image Levein portrays. Now you might not be willing to wait and see whether he can turn it around next season. Maybe you'd like us to appoint a man with absolutely no managerial experience instead. Well that's your view and you're entitled to it but personally, I want to see how this one turns out because he reminds me of the last great manager we had and I want to see those days again as I'm sure you do too.

[Chandler]

Your problem Chandler is that you see two viewpoints: yours and "other". And anyone who dares to argue against you is pigeon-holed into the same category. Then any differentiation in terms between two respondents is seen as a u-turn by this collective that you choose to create.

I see the term "hounded out" quite a lot in your references to Adams. What sort of man do you take him for? One who is bothered by what a section of the fans, however large or small, think of him? In reality, it was his relationship with the players that cost him his job (the example of Keown stands out in particular), not his rapport with the fans. How many managers resign because their fans boo matches? Not many. Countless managers have responded to media speculation about their future by saying that they are not quitters. Adams probably said this, or something close to it, himself but in the end he realised he didn't want to manage our club any more. And it was time for someone else to come in.

As for Levein, it was a poor season. I don't see how anyone could argue with that. But you don't get very far by going around firing your manager every time you're not happy with him. You have to persist. This cannot be applied to Adams as the board refused Adams' resignation at least once because they believed he was still the man for the job but if someone wants to go, you have to let them.

When Mark McGhee left to join Wolves, we brought Martin O'Neill in and he had a dreadful start. Fans were on his back in a much more ferocious way than anything Adams ever got. A lesser man would have walked away after that Sheffield United game. A lesser board could have sacked him. Thankfully, he wasn't like Micky Adams had become by October last year. He had a quiet, steely determination to prove us wrong and win promotion, much like the image Levein portrays. Now you might not be willing to wait and see whether he can turn it around next season. Maybe you'd like us to appoint a man with absolutely no managerial experience instead. Well that's your view and you're entitled to it but personally, I want to see how this one turns out because he reminds me of the last great manager we had and I want to see those days again as I'm sure you do too.

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And exactly why did Adams have a problem with Keown? And why was Levein only too happy to palm him off to Reading? If you knew the answers to this puzzle you wouldn't have posted this absurd rubbish on this board...

[Fez of Mahrez]

Your problem Chandler is that you see two viewpoints: yours and "other". And anyone who dares to argue against you is pigeon-holed into the same category. Then any differentiation in terms between two respondents is seen as a u-turn by this collective that you choose to create.

I see the term "hounded out" quite a lot in your references to Adams. What sort of man do you take him for? One who is bothered by what a section of the fans, however large or small, think of him? In reality, it was his relationship with the players that cost him his job (the example of Keown stands out in particular), not his rapport with the fans. How many managers resign because their fans boo matches? Not many. Countless managers have responded to media speculation about their future by saying that they are not quitters. Adams probably said this, or something close to it, himself but in the end he realised he didn't want to manage our club any more. And it was time for someone else to come in.

As for Levein, it was a poor season. I don't see how anyone could argue with that. But you don't get very far by going around firing your manager every time you're not happy with him. You have to persist. This cannot be applied to Adams as the board refused Adams' resignation at least once because they believed he was still the man for the job but if someone wants to go, you have to let them.

When Mark McGhee left to join Wolves, we brought Martin O'Neill in and he had a dreadful start. Fans were on his back in a much more ferocious way than anything Adams ever got. A lesser man would have walked away after that Sheffield United game. A lesser board could have sacked him. Thankfully, he wasn't like Micky Adams had become by October last year. He had a quiet, steely determination to prove us wrong and win promotion, much like the image Levein portrays. Now you might not be willing to wait and see whether he can turn it around next season. Maybe you'd like us to appoint a man with absolutely no managerial experience instead. Well that's your view and you're entitled to it but personally, I want to see how this one turns out because he reminds me of the last great manager we had and I want to see those days again as I'm sure you do too.

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And exactly why did Adams have a problem with Keown? And why was Levein only too happy to palm him off to Reading? If you knew the answers to this puzzle you wouldn't have posted this absurd rubbish on this board...

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Go on, pick one thing out. Ignore the rest of it. Dare you.

[Chandler]

Your problem Chandler is that you see two viewpoints: yours and "other". And anyone who dares to argue against you is pigeon-holed into the same category. Then any differentiation in terms between two respondents is seen as a u-turn by this collective that you choose to create.

I see the term "hounded out" quite a lot in your references to Adams. What sort of man do you take him for? One who is bothered by what a section of the fans, however large or small, think of him? In reality, it was his relationship with the players that cost him his job (the example of Keown stands out in particular), not his rapport with the fans. How many managers resign because their fans boo matches? Not many. Countless managers have responded to media speculation about their future by saying that they are not quitters. Adams probably said this, or something close to it, himself but in the end he realised he didn't want to manage our club any more. And it was time for someone else to come in.

As for Levein, it was a poor season. I don't see how anyone could argue with that. But you don't get very far by going around firing your manager every time you're not happy with him. You have to persist. This cannot be applied to Adams as the board refused Adams' resignation at least once because they believed he was still the man for the job but if someone wants to go, you have to let them.

When Mark McGhee left to join Wolves, we brought Martin O'Neill in and he had a dreadful start. Fans were on his back in a much more ferocious way than anything Adams ever got. A lesser man would have walked away after that Sheffield United game. A lesser board could have sacked him. Thankfully, he wasn't like Micky Adams had become by October last year. He had a quiet, steely determination to prove us wrong and win promotion, much like the image Levein portrays. Now you might not be willing to wait and see whether he can turn it around next season. Maybe you'd like us to appoint a man with absolutely no managerial experience instead. Well that's your view and you're entitled to it but personally, I want to see how this one turns out because he reminds me of the last great manager we had and I want to see those days again as I'm sure you do too.

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And exactly why did Adams have a problem with Keown? And why was Levein only too happy to palm him off to Reading? If you knew the answers to this puzzle you wouldn't have posted this absurd rubbish on this board...

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Go on, pick one thing out. Ignore the rest of it. Dare you.

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Why go fishing for tiddlers when I've got a big trout on the end of my line?

[Who ate all the pies?]

why did Adams have a problem with Davidson, Keown and Howey?

No one has the answers, the fact is he had problems with them and it does point to his man management style.

Until I have a different (realistic) option I agree with Fez that his man management wasn't always the best.

[Guest]

Who gives a flying FCUK about Adams? He's gone, move on people.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Your problem Chandler is that you see two viewpoints: yours and "other". And anyone who dares to argue against you is pigeon-holed into the same category. Then any differentiation in terms between two respondents is seen as a u-turn by this collective that you choose to create.

I see the term "hounded out" quite a lot in your references to Adams. What sort of man do you take him for? One who is bothered by what a section of the fans, however large or small, think of him? In reality, it was his relationship with the players that cost him his job (the example of Keown stands out in particular), not his rapport with the fans. How many managers resign because their fans boo matches? Not many. Countless managers have responded to media speculation about their future by saying that they are not quitters. Adams probably said this, or something close to it, himself but in the end he realised he didn't want to manage our club any more. And it was time for someone else to come in.

As for Levein, it was a poor season. I don't see how anyone could argue with that. But you don't get very far by going around firing your manager every time you're not happy with him. You have to persist. This cannot be applied to Adams as the board refused Adams' resignation at least once because they believed he was still the man for the job but if someone wants to go, you have to let them.

When Mark McGhee left to join Wolves, we brought Martin O'Neill in and he had a dreadful start. Fans were on his back in a much more ferocious way than anything Adams ever got. A lesser man would have walked away after that Sheffield United game. A lesser board could have sacked him. Thankfully, he wasn't like Micky Adams had become by October last year. He had a quiet, steely determination to prove us wrong and win promotion, much like the image Levein portrays. Now you might not be willing to wait and see whether he can turn it around next season. Maybe you'd like us to appoint a man with absolutely no managerial experience instead. Well that's your view and you're entitled to it but personally, I want to see how this one turns out because he reminds me of the last great manager we had and I want to see those days again as I'm sure you do too.

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And exactly why did Adams have a problem with Keown? And why was Levein only too happy to palm him off to Reading? If you knew the answers to this puzzle you wouldn't have posted this absurd rubbish on this board...

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Go on, pick one thing out. Ignore the rest of it. Dare you.

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Why go fishing for tiddlers when I've got a big trout on the end of my line?

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<_<

[Who ate all the pies?]

we've tried...but, gosh darn it, he was so damn good!

[step]

Chandler every one know Keown came to leicester to take over from Adams who was goint to move to Everton, when sven was going to get sacked.

Knowing that, I dont see how you can blame Keown for wanting to get involved with the managment of the players at city. after all thats why he joined us.

The fact that ma did not leave was

a) Not keown fault

B) Not ma choice, he wanted to leave

c) Probably why ma was so pizzed off at city.

d) Showed what little commitment ma had to city.

The fact that ma snubbed keown and his years of experiance was poor managment by ma. He should have exploted Keown

Also you are forgetting that ma did not get on with most players in last season squad or the squad from the season before

[hinds12]

i do not expect us to achieve promotion next season but i dont understand how you can say that CL isnt a long term fix for the club when he has only been here for a season!

[Chandler]

Chandler every one know Keown came to leicester to take over from Adams who was goint to move to Everton, when sven was going to get sacked. 

Knowing that, I dont see how you can blame Keown for wanting to get involved with the managment of the players at city. after all thats why he joined us. 

The fact that ma did not leave was

a) Not keown fault

B) Not ma choice, he wanted to leave

c) Probably why ma was so pizzed off at city.

d) Showed what little commitment ma had to city. 

The fact that ma snubbed keown and his years of experiance was poor managment by ma.  He should have exploted Keown

Also you are forgetting that ma did not get on with most players in last season squad or the squad from the season before

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I think it might be helpful if you rewrote points A-D as they don't make much sense.

Levein also chose not to exploit Keown's experience. If you want to be logical about this it's either a black mark against Levein or a very big question mark over Keown's motives and attitude.

Adams was backed to the hilt by the dressing room which was one of the reasons why the board was desperate to hang on to him. High profile spats with players who get above themselves or who are not pulling their weight is part and parcel of management. The fact that this is not happening under Levein is not a cause for celebration.

It's cause for concern.

[Fez of Mahrez]

High profile spats with players who get above themselves or who are not pulling their weight is part and parcel of management. The fact that this is not happening under Levein is not a cause for celebration.

It's cause for concern.

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Nutcase.

[step]

Adams was backed to the hilt by the dressing room which was one of the reasons why the board was desperate to hang on to him.

Thats why 23 players left in a season.

[Katy]

Here's an idea - why don't we wait and see what happens in the first ten or so games of next season?

[Chandler]

Adams was backed to the hilt by the dressing room which was one of the reasons why the board was desperate to hang on to him.

Thats why 23 players left in a season.

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You remind me of Goebbels Step. You keep on repeating this lie in the hope that the fickle boneheads will believe it. Don't put yourself out that's what I say. They will believe anything if they can use it to cover their arses.

As well you know most of the 23 were culled after the promo season. Most of the rest decided they didn't fancy taking a pay cut to play in the Championship. If they all left because of Adams I don't think the board would have asked him to stay on do you?

If you want to be taken seriously on this board Step I would advise you not to come out with such a childish untruth. There's a deeply insulting word to describe adults who act in this way.

If anyone at work describes you as 'jejune' you know your days are numbered.

[SamuearlJackson]

Chandler, it is impossible to avoid the fact that MA resigned though. If he had the bottle/heart for the job (which a manager certainly should) then surely he would have stayed on, especially as form was turning around.

I really don't think there was a massive anti-MA brigade at the club as you are trying to portray. I'm sure MA didn't make his decision based on reading through Talking Balls and Foxes Talk either. Much more likely is that he realised he had lost interest in the job and resigned for the good of all involved.

SamJ

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If you want to be taken seriously by me Chandler, you should at least attempt to respond to this point, which I have no doubt you have noticed I have made on your threads at least 4 times since MA resigned...

SamJ

[Guest]

As well you know most of the 23 were culled after the promo season. Most of the rest decided they didn't fancy taking a pay cut to play in the Championship. If they all left because of Adams I don't think the board would have asked him to stay on do you?

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So the mid-season clearout in the January transfer window didn't happen?

[Frenzied]

Whilst I agree with you that expectations are pretty low amongs the majority of fans I struggle to see that as a good thing. Deep down, it suggests a general lack of confidence in the team and management. [..]

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No. It reflects a more mature and realistic attitude toward the current squad and management. It reflects an understanding that a group of new players need time to gel into a team and that consistency and, hopefully, good results only come after this process is complete.

Had we had this kind of 'phlegmatic' attitude at the start of last season then MA would probably still be managing City.

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I've given up bothering with him Chimp. Whatever you say you 'lose'. If we aim high Channy tells us to calm down, if we are being realistic he then tells us that that is a sign we have no faith in the management, and by implication, therefore, we should aim higher... but oh no... wait a minute...

See where I'm going?

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...in the wrong direction (as usual), Cambridge Fox.

My post had nothing to do with DICTATING what our expectations should be. It is everything to do with EXPLAINING why our expectations have dropped off the bottom of the scale. In fact, expectations now are probably lower at LCFC than at any time since the late 1980's.

Our pessimism is an unconscious vote of no confidence in the management. Instead of being honest about the fact that we really feel Levein and his set-up is not up to the play-offs, some fans choose to cover-up for him and offer all sorts of excuses as to why we should not raise our expectations (need to clear up Adams' 'mess', team needs time to gel, jockstraps are too tight etc).

For the record, my expectations are low and I have no intention of conning myself into believing that we will get promotion next year. Whether I am prepared to be philosophical about this situation is a different matter.

Unless our results are as disastrous as Taylor's and/or a very good proven candidate emerges for his job I won't be going in for a 'Levein Out' campaign once the whistle is blown for the new season (which may prove to be a very ironic statement).

Timing is everything in football and Levein should have gone immediately after our abysmal performance against Plymouth Argyle. Unfortunately we didn't get down to the harbour in time to catch that boat.

I suggest a change in direction - a crash course in semantics, perhaps. Or are you doing one of those non academic majors like pole dancing?

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Chandler, the mess that needs to be cleaned up isn't that of Adams predominantly but rather the fallout from administration. In Adams promotion season he performed an almost impossible task, albeit still with the nucleus of a Premiership squad. We were nonetheless, promoted against the odds.

Unfortunately Adams couldn't keep us in the Premiership, which if he had would have been another minor miracle. However, the strain of administration, conceding late goals, la Manga and the poor form of early last season took its toll on him and he basically cracked under the pressure, although quite understandably.

Levein has inherited the legacy of administration and a team that was faltering badly under Adams' last weeks in charge. Furthermore, Levein has less money to play with than Adams. However, he is a proven rebuilding of teams on a shoestring and, as has been mentioned in numerous other threads, has improved the team's performances dramatically, although there is still a degree of inconsistency.

For you to say he should have been sacked after the Plymouth game is quite absurd - for what? It was the last game of the season with nothing to play for and he was trying a couple of things out. In fact, despite the fact we didn't play too well, we still got a draw away from home.

It's about time you got off your bizarre high-horse when comes to Levein and start backing a manager that has improved the team and has a plan that will hopefully put to rest the legacy of administration - unfortunately that will take years.

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The fall-out from administration...is that the latest woolly revisionist cliche doing the rounds? First we had Adams' inability to manage top players. Then we had Adams' mess. Now we have the fall-out. This all fits a familiar pattern...

The top players weren't cut out for the summit once Levein took us into freefall so they became the 'mess.' Then two back to back wins at the end of the season and suddenly they are top players again. So now Craig has to deal with the 'fall-out.'

'Faltering badly'huh? Check out Adams last six games in charge. We got 11 points from them. That's play-off form. The team was improving. And not in that silly subjective way of individual half hour cameo's. BIG FACTUAL ERROR FRENZIED.

Levein had less money than Adams? Talk about grasping at straws. If this aint six of one and half a dozen of the other than it's threepence looking down at tuppence.Acquisitions policy has barely changed since administration. Signings have to balanced by disposals. Lots of freebies and loanees. And wait for the high rollers to finish their contracts (a bit of that right now).

Ordinarily I might let you get away with 'improvements in performance' but not when you stick in a silly word like 'dramatic.' That implies lots of wins, lots of goals. Unless you are refering to one single game. Derby by any chance? Hate to remind you but Coventry took them apart four days later 6-2...

Indeed it would have been a bold move to get rid of Levein after Plymouth. Not so much for that result but because of results overall under his stewardship and because the close season is the best time for back stabbing. Politically I recognised that was impossible (and said so on this board). Shame that Tim isn't a little more like Jesus Gill the old Athletic Madrid chairman who used to change his managers more often than he changed his briefs.

In the last highlight you have kindly rolled up all your blather about performance and fall-out into one silly woolly unprovable sentence. And you've given yourself a get-out clause. It might take years. This fall-out has a very long half life it seems. Fall-out though is more debilitating immediately after the explosion.

And I seem to remember someone hauling us through the fall-out blizzard and getting us automatic promotion within three months of the same admininistration that you keep harping on about.

I hear the excuses barrel being scraped again...

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Unfortunately Chandler, even a turnip could understand that we're still suffering the consequences of administration.

I've never stated that Adams couldn't manage top players. I would say, though, that he made some surreal tactical errors, such as putting Dublin upfront after Connolly was sent off against QPR. And all the late goals were not coincidental - they were a result of poor tactics and coaching methods. Still I liked Adams but feel he lost the plot.

We were awful under the last few weeks of Adam's reign - did you not see the Brighton, Watford, QPR, Preston games? Improvements are not always reflected in results - we were still playing badly under Adams but managed to scrape a couple of results together. By your analysis our performances in January are Championship winning from - seven points from three games - and that was under Levein. But surely Chandler you should be able to realise you can't measure football on a purely positivistic level.

Levein has less money than Adams; check out how much he has available for wages compared to Adams' last year - it's less than half.

"Dramatic" doesn't imply lots of wins and goal but rather how badly we were performing before. I'm referring to games like West Ham, Millwall, Wolves, Sunderland, Derby and Leeds even in the loss against Forest we played great football at times and were unfortunate not to have won easily. The same could not be said for the losses against Brighton and Watford among others under Adams' reign this season.

Fall-out is not more debilitating immediately after the explosion, hence the expression FALLOUT ie nuclear fallout - effects go on for years.

A couple of questions to you Chandler; what is it that you don't like about Levein? and why are you refusing to give him a chance?