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2 hours ago, MS0204 said:

Sadly I don’t no. It may not be a success as it was thought at first, however whether you agree with this or not it has the potential to go in the right direction and can only get better.

Ok, it was a nod towards the side show Bob look a like mentioned on here a few times who spends all game with his back to the pitch trying to get the singing section going. Which is odd really when some of the biggest fans of that section say they don’t want to move because they don’t want to be doing w4nker signs all day to the away fans and want to watch the match and support the team. More to add on the hypocrisy at a later date if people want to go hard against that, or some Wally bans me from the thread again. But just for clarity if people think I’m trying to dig certain groups out, no I’m not, but those same

people need to understand that many other people want to support the team how THEY want, not how other tell them they should

edit- just to add more context, I don’t care if you support or do whatever, I’m a true liberal, but don’t expect everyone to conform and then say they are in the wrong if they disagree

2 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

The singing section isn’t a success in terms of the existing season ticket holders but it’s certainly a success when you open ticket sales up to others with cup games etc. 

 

You can read from that what you want and make a good conclusion 

Tranmere games suggests not to be honest, their big chance to make a show and was poor

12 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

You make out like the poznan is attempted 

You get my point though….

5 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

So why is it always sk1 has to relocate? Why can’t all the l1 who want an atmosphere buy in the section? Makes more sense, however the drummer can stay in l1 

They don’t, but clearly only a small minority want all that flag waving and jumping around with your back to the pitch. Otherwise it would be a resounding success by now. A lot of others realise how a spontaneous atmosphere can be created by having opposing fans next to each other

34 minutes ago, ThumbsUp said:

Am I completely misremembering something because I swear he missed 0 games through injury last season. 

Think he missed a handful mid season but nothing major, before Christmas if memory serves me right

1 minute ago, Lako42 said:

That's new since I looked then 

Was the same last season as well

39 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Atmosphere tourists 

 

They want to be where the noise is but don't want to contribute

 

 

Also the club do absolutely nothing to tell matchday ticket purchasers that it is a 'singing section' 

Yes they do, it’s highlighted as the singing section when you look at sk1 area to buy

1 hour ago, 1884andforever said:

Thoughts below on:

-Home atmosphere

-Union FS/SK1 section 

-Reputation

 

Firstly, this will probably come across as a complete rant, but is meant to be constructive.

 

I would just be interested to see if people are on the same lines as me.  I personally think we have become an anomaly in terms of our home and away support, aside from numbers. Since the title win in particular, I think a lot of our fans lost an element of motivation and desire. It's strange because you would think it would fuel the motivation for more success but when you win the PL and reach the CL quarter-finals for a club like us, people sort of believed we had reached our pinnacle it seems. At home games, to me the main problem is everyone being separated out which makes it difficult to gain any real traction in terms of noise within the ground.

 

I don't think the section has been a complete failure and really like UFS in general, but it certainly hasn't worked as everyone had hoped either. It's too small and aside from the first 5 rows or so, there isn't enough noise from the rest within the section. But even then, it can't be heard on the other side of the ground and to be frank, when you have 20 lads clapping with their arms in the air at the front, when no one else joins in, it's not a good look, sorry. It doesn't give off the impression of a proper club, not that we're one of those anyway with clappers. We lack passion in the fanbase, that's the uncomfortable truth. I look at clubs like Villa, Forest, Leeds, Wolves, Wednesday, even Derby, they seem to have more passion and vocal support than we do, yet all fairly similar sized clubs.

 

We absolutely need a bigger presence near the away fans, L1 has been declining for years and obviously if the section moved to the opposite end both groups could supplement each other. Yes this was trialled once against Brighton in the cup a few years ago but is that really enough to show whether it can work or not? This obviously raises the safe standing topic but if there was a real desire for a change of location, the club might re-consider where safe standing goes. From what I gather, UFS aren't keen on this but it's not working where it is IMHO. Yes the Tifo issue also becomes apparent but do we want a potentially better atmosphere or a handful of Tifo's a season? (impressive Tifo's by the way).

 

The club quite obviously don't help things at all regarding working with UFS and other groups. On away games, I just don't get why it's like it is. Even on TV against Arsenal for example, Justin scores a belter to equalise at 2-2 and visually the celebrations look very average at best. Maybe it's the priority system I don't know. It just pains me how far standards have dropped since Filbert Street. We used to be a proper club, with a proper old style English atmosphere. Now it's European style chanting and a complete library. We aren't the only ones but it's like the soul has been ripped out the club.

 

Why can't everyone be in one place? Why can't it be more authentic? What's happened to us? Aside from Chelsea last season, it's few and far between in terms of seeing proper celebrations from our fans. Preston away was a rare W as an away end but that's all that comes to mind really. This isn't meant as a pop at UFS or anyone in particular but I just don't think the current configuration is working. I want us to be a force again, we can do it but it's gonna take some shift of thinking. However unlikely it may be from the club's side, I think the opposite end of the ground should at least be looked into for the good of the atmosphere, whether that's centrally behind that goal or in P block. We absolutely cannot rely on the alleged expansion to plan anything anymore, we need to improve it ASAP. 

Excellent post, and agree with most apart from the visual bit at Arsenal. I sit (stand) all over so have a better idea of the ground acoustics than most who’ve been in the same seat for years.

people go mardy when it’s said but p block is probably the best for traditional terrace culture, with everything being spontaneous etc, that’s where I’ve enjoyed it the most this season, despite cooper

49 minutes ago, worksopfox said:

What i don't understand is why do various sections of the ground insist on sing different songs at the same time.

Love them or loath them, but UFS are trying their best to create an atmosphere.

On behalf of the team, all the ground needs to be as one.

Make it intimidating for the opposition!!!

Because you can’t hear them in a lot of other parts of the ground

2 hours ago, iancognito said:

Not sure it's a failure when all the title celebrations last season were focussed on that corner, it's pretty much recognised as the noisiest section of the ground.

 

What I will say from sitting a couple of blocks away is that if it's going to pull more people in or just get more people involved, the constant drumbeat drowns out as much of the songs as the PA. People will join in with the C'mon Leicester stuff, the When Skies Are Grey etc but too often no matter what's happening in the game there's just a general thudthudthud, you're never going to get 5000 people knowing the words to "crazy but it's true" or "ole ole".

Said it last season, think Preston at home, the none stop drumming actually encouraged people to sit there mind numbing lay whacking those clappers in G block which everyone moans about 

3 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

All the good attacks have came from not getting Ayew involved.  If he gets the ball then it breaks down. 

Difficult to see here on the tv but sure cooper can find a way of ****ing this up

11 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Pretty good half that

 

Even with the ref helping them out

Shows the difference when we actually play with attacking intent. No one really annoying me either 

Sat on the beach now looking at here and expedia. Planning on booking 3 weeks in Marbella for May next year

15 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

London though isn’t it. Always gonna be rammed full of corporate and tourists because of location. Same with test cricket in London v rest of the country. Oasis at Wembley v oasis at the other venues will be the same 

Slightly disagree on the test cricket one, lords is different due to the old traditional rules of

the ground, like no fancy dress or instruments,

which is great so you dont have to listen to that tit with the trumpet all day

I’m on the beach now, anyone know why my iPhone randomly goes from bright screen to dark and back every now and again?

51 minutes ago, rugbyblue said:

Agree.  There may well be another 15-20k people out there who "follow the city".  Whether or not many of them are prepared to fork out 50 quid plus for a ticket every other week and an odd midweek, is an entirely different matter

They need to start thinking rationally about pricing as my fire stick costs the same for a year as it does for matches. Im lucky I can afford to pay but a lot of people aren’t, especially if you want to bring a family

6 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

OK ITK.😂 ❎❎

Ok don’t go ✅✅✅

52 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

I didn't suggest any such thing. I merely stated the facts that we were struggling badly as the finishing line approached and many/most suggest it was Vardy who galvanised the team not Maresca. Glad to know your clapping gave you insight into behind the scenes. Nice ticks again by the way. ❎❎

I said purely about the players not being with cooper, and you suggested it was like the end

of last season, which it wasn’t and you weren’t even there ✅✅

12 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

You went to every game, fair play. I certainly didn't. However, did that give you insight into what was going on behind the scenes? Most suggest Vardy got the players to sort out the trough that saw us lose at Bristol City and Plymouth and fall out of the promotion places. Nice green ticks, mind you, whatever they mean. 

You suggested the players didn’t show and bond/love/whatever for enzo. They were all there together at the end, nothing like this idiot cooper. Only game they left quickly was Plymouth due to so many people abusing them. And yes, I did go every game and always stayed to applaud so know exactly what happened ✅✅

1 hour ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Not like the end of last season then?, 🤔

You have selective memory or you never went to every game like I did ✅✅

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

You seem to have fallen into the trap of assuming that anything bad must be because of Cooper anything good must be in spite of him. It's an easy mindset to fall into when you dislike a manager, but I don't think it's an accurate one.

When I look at the way we play, I see a clear continuity between ourselves and Cooper's Forest. They also didn't have a clear style of play or a much of an identity, but they did have some battling qualities because the players were apparently willing to run through a brick wall for Cooper even when they didn't fully understand what he wanted them to do. In the end, this was enough to keep them up while we went down with a vastly superior squad - but one whose relationship with our manager had completely disintegrated. We're now a bit like Forest were that season - tactically poor and without a clear identity, but with some battling qualities that will gain us a few points along the way.

 

I think in Maresca the club appointed somebody who is going to be an elite coach at the very top of the game. The players were in awe of him and loved playing for him, but then he walked out on us at the first opportunity. The club then appointed a manager who wasn't really qualified to carry on where Maresca left off, but was available for free and wanted the job. The players are struggling to adapt to this change.

 

I don't think Cooper is anywhere near Maresca's level as a coach, but I also don't think he's quite as bad as some on here clearly believe. I also think the personal vitriol directed at him is massively over the top. He now has the opportunity in the next four games to prove that he can set us up to beat bottom-half sides, which is a prerequisite to survival in the PL. If he doesn't start winning games in the next few weeks, he'll be gone.

Not reading all of that so purely answering your first paragraph. I’ve fell into no trap. I’ve been most games since Shrewsbury and what I’ve seen is no interaction between manager and players that suggest any of them are playing

for him and he has them inside. In fact, the more I think what I’ve saw the more I believe that. Most games at the end the players don’t even follow him to the fans, they wait till he’s done that and gone before going over. The lack of interaction he has with all the players suggests there’s an issue, before the leaked stories. Ricky P was doing his own team talk to the new lad and Vardy on the pitch just before the 2nd half against Everton. Senior player doing the managers job

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Brenzo almost single handily cost us promotion last season with his stubbornness and lack of subs during that spell of 8-10 games. I’ve not seen many, if any ‘pine for him back’. His style wouldn’t suit a club in our position. 
 

Sack Cooper and it really is quite simple: we get someone in who’s competent and maximise our chances of surviving comfortably and building back towards the top half. 
 

We are only not in the bottom 3 due to a literal once in a blue moon start to the PL. our XG stats and performances have been abysmal at both ends. 
 

We let this plonker loose on the most pivotal month of this season and we are shooting ourselves in the foot. 
 

8pts from 4? You’re asking Steve to do something he’s never done. Not gonna happen. 

I like the ring plonker pooper has 😂😂

4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I suspect Top told Cooper he wanted him to play in a similar way to Enzo and Cooper agreed to do this because he wanted the job. Now Cooper is struggling because he has a squad that was coached to play a certain way and he's promised to continue playing that way, but deep down he doesn't really believe in it. The squad is probably being coached a weird hybrid of Enzo's style and Cooper's own style (whatever that is) that the players don't fully understand, hence why they often look a bit confused on the pitch. However this is currently being masked to some extent by the fact that the players do seem to quite like Cooper as a person (he was very popular with the players at Forest too) and are willing to battle for him, which has enabled us to get three points on the board. 

I’ve seen nothing to suggest the players like him at all

51 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said:

We have messed it all up since Vichi passed away 

You got any insight?