Les-TA-Jon

Other than Fatawu I struggle to see how we avoid losses trying to get these out of the door. 

Other than Fatawu I struggle to see how we avoid huge losses on getting some of these players gone...

1 hour ago, Scotch said:

So, I'm trying to wrap my head around the PSR rule differences between the championship and league 1. As far as I'm aware, the Championship work of the 3 year loss system that focuses on profit where league 1 uses a percentage of revenue wage cap where we can only spend 60% of what we bring in...

 

So theoretically, if we where to sell all our high earning players for massive losses, or even release them, it wouldn't hurt us in regards to PSR as long as their wages are off the bill? As long as the combined wages of the players that stay is within 60% of what we bring in over the season? Or am I over simplyfing it? 

 

 

Rules breakdown here: 

The challenge is we can't make a bunch of 'PSR losses' because they 'don't count' in League One - because if we get promoted to the Championship we'll be under PSR rules again. 

26 minutes ago, dnewty said:

Utter BS

It honestly seems like he doesn't really do any work for the club whilst he's not in the country? 

Why couldn't a similar message have been written and communicated back at the start of Rowett's tenure? Or ahead of the QPR game? 

Why wait until now, when our fate is all but sealed? 

10 minutes ago, fazzyfox said:

In the days leading up to the Portsmouth game Rowett spoke about changes, firstly about being tougher and secondly a hint at a formation change specifically for home games. Don’t know if it will happen, right now if feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. 

Just stop handing a free pass to start matches to  those who don’t put in a good shift, Mavididi is approaching Josh Low levels of doing f*** all in games and still getting picked next week. Winks shouldn’t be involved on form alone whilst giving minutes to Page, Aluko and Monga can only be beneficial to our future.

 

There will be bickering in the stands, we are, despite the evidence before our eyes, somehow divided, just remember for some their perceived “being in with the players” is all they have in life, they wouldn’t stop clapping even if they ridiculed us, laughed and swore at us. Oh hang on, they have. But when these fans argue and abuse the ones criticising Rudkin just as aggressively as the original point it feels like a powder keg waiting to go off. 

Just remind these people they are  22nd-24th in the stats for everything and 24th in the unofficial stats for bottle, effort and integrity despite us having the biggest wage bill.

Disagree - I want to see 90 mins from all our worst/most toxic players tonight - so they have to slog through a humiliating defeat and the horrible atmosphere and be there on the pitch to take some 'feedback' from the crowd. 

14 minutes ago, stripeyfox said:

It may not be completely done yet but it likely will by tonight

 

Even if we were to miraculously win the last three it still probably wouldn't be enough, right? Even if we got to 50 pts (max possible) Blackburn and West Brom already have 49

 

Do we HAVE to win all three as it stands to have any chance?

 

@Les-TA-Jon you're the stats man - whats your take?

Yes because 3 wins puts us on 50pts and Charlton (50), West Brom (49) and Blackburn (49) already have almost that many. 

to stay up we have to win all 3 remaining games and have multiple other results go in our favour - at the very least those 3 rival teams would need to remain winless, with West Brom and Blackburn needing to lose 2 and draw 1 (at most) 

We could get relegated on 4 separate days this week, depending on various results. 

But what's most likely is we lose tonight and that's that. 

There been a press conference for this yet?

14 hours ago, em9999 said:

There is nothing any of us can do about it and to be honest there are much more important things in life to worry about 

 

Whats the point in the mellow dramatics 

57 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

You could take this fool's point for anything..If the national portrait gallery burned down. Notre Dame. Stonehenge bulldozed. That tree on BBC chopped down. If Oxford University went bankrupt. Or maybe just a local restaurant open for 142 years closed due to lack of interest. 

 

There's nothing we can do. And there are much more important things going on..

 

It's all just melodrama. 

Exactly. I see this kind of thing said in all sorts of online communities - for various different points of interest - and it always makes my eyes roll into the back of my head. 

It's just totally redundant and pointless 'analysis' 

Of course there are much more important things in life to worry about that the current state of your chosen football team, but of all the places to discuss those worries, a forum set up to specifically set up to talk about said football club is the place to do it!

12 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

We’ve seen big teams fall into League one and return stronger in the long run - ourselves being a case in point, but also note Sunderland, Ipswich and Birmingham.

Is there any evidence to suggest that was specifically due to relegation to League One, rather than simply a result of adequate to good stewardship of the respective clubs? Birmingham owners are far more ambitious and organised than KPFC for example. 

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

I understand the cynicism but I don't see us appointing Johnson. It will be imperative we get out of League One at the first attempt and there is nothing in this bloke's CV to suggest he could achieve that. That's not to say we'll make an inspired or imaginative appointment, but it won't be Johnson.

It was imperative we didn't get relegated to League One - and look at how well the club has managed that. 

There's virtually no relationship between what the club needs and what the powers that be do about it. 

5 minutes ago, Cropwellfox said:

Agree to a point, however signing off on Joe Aribo and strategy around season tickets for next year would suggest limited influence at best. 

Sure. Anyone's competence at the high end of the club is only as good as Top and Rudkin's ability to let them work - which I imagine is overruled quite a lot...

11 hours ago, Cropwellfox said:

Very, very possibly.

And the person they’ve promoted to lead our response to the most serious threat to the existence of the club since 1884 is the Finance guy who has stood by while Rudkin and co have been lobbing petrol on the flames for the past 2 years. 

Kevin Davies was only actually Finance Director at LCFC since May 2023 - before that it was Simon Capper - who has subsequently gone onto Newcastle (so can't be too bad surely?) 

Based on the evidence given to independent commissions for the points deductions - Kevin Davies appears to have been trying to rein things in since his appointment. Jan 2024 window a potential sign of that. 

They’re between a rock and a hard place I guess. Don’t recognise it at all and get pelters

If Top sacked Rudkin - who's in charge of replacing him? Top is. 

So it's no solution because they'll just appoint someone else who is crap. 

28 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Lets be real - he wasnt going to say anything else was he. Most of the players were purchased and paid as Premier League players. He's hardly going to sit in an interview and start saying they were overpaid chancers who barely meet Championship standards. He's a young lad.

 

As Finnegan says this is different to Maddison who openly mocked a journalist following a defeat to Southampton. Jordans interview had fight in it. Just the issue is, he is one of only a few who cared.

27 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Again, what you want him to say? "This squad is crap, the lads are shit, I'm going to have to carry them all"? 

 

He's just trying to give everyone a lift and inspire a bit of confidence all round isn't he. Nothing wrong with that. 

 

Sometimes I think some of you on here want everything to be so literal and direct. You need a bit of room for tact, diplomacy and man management. 

 

Er guys...I'm not attacking JJ himself. Merely saying his comments suggest the (largely agree upon amongst us) problems with the mentality of the squad. 

And just because I'm saying he shouldn't have said X doesn't mean I think he should have said the opposite of X 

8 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Tbf I like that he had that fight and determination in him. 

 

I don't hear him say that and think he's complacent or delusional. It wasn't like Madders saying everything would be fine. 

 

You obviously don't want him rolling over and giving up do you? 

 

If we had a whole squad with his attitude and confidence we'd probably be top half. I don't think he should regret what he's said, it reflects badly on the rest of the squad more than him. 

 

Agree - my main problem with it was "The players we have got are Premier League players" 

Sorta betrays the idea that the squad thought 'we'll be OK' and where did they even get the idea that we had a ton of 'PL players' anyway? Just because you've played in the league doesn't mean you're actually of that quality. Other than an in form Fatawu, we don't have a single 'PL quality' player in the squad. 

9 hours ago, Guest said:

I think it's two different questions really:

 

Should we have kept Cifuentes? No. Things were pretty clearly only heading in one direction, and it was the direction anyone could have told you they would head in as soon as Fatawu and James stopped trading wondergoals every weekend.

 

Should we have sacked Cifuentes if that meant handing the reins to someone with literally zero managerial experience for almost an entire month before appointing Gary Rowett? Probably also no.

This. The club keeps making the same mistakes again and again. 
 

delay sacking a manager. Then do so, with no plan on the replacement. Waste vital games with an under-qualified caretaker, then appoint someone who isn’t even better than the predecessor.
 

it’s happened with  3 out of the last 4 changes: 

Rodgers > Smith

Cooper > RVN

Cifuentes > Rowett 

1 hour ago, Footballwipe said:

 

This is what we're up against

Just to play devil’s advocate - which part of this opinion is incompatible with “King Power Out”? 
 

(I’m not saying that specific person is King Power Out) 

5 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

If West Brom see out their lead and win we will be 8 points from safety with 9 to play for

 

Don't win against Hull and we are done

 

Didn’t realise West Brom were winning. And does depend on them winning their game. 

42 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Hopefully West Brom get a win today so it can definitely be confirmed on Tuesday

Don’t think this is possible with Blackburn’s draw and Oxford’s loss? 

1 minute ago, jayfox26 said:

Portsmouth are an utterly dreadful side and weve offered nothing. We are an embarrassment and possibly the lowest weve ever been as a football club. Didn't feel this bad last time we were relegated to league 1

Worst season in the club’s history, surely? 

Rowett hasn’t worked. But I’d still have Top, Rudkin and the players above him in the blame game