One Year Kit

[Foxes_Trust]

Read the survey questions and the overall member’s response.

Then see what how the Trust is acting on members views

http://www.foxestrust.com/html/modules.php...article&sid=442

Part 2 of the results will appear around Tuesday lunchtime

[Knighton Matt]

interesting results and a good survey from the trust.

however have to disagree with this part

"What is clear however is 98% don't approve of a 1 year deal. The Trust board feels if the club had consulted prior to making this decision and listened, then they would have avoided making this mistake"

I think the club knew full well that people wouldn't like the 1 year aspect and wouldn't accept the reasons/excuses for the club doing it. however the anticipated revenue from a 1 year kit cycle must have made them think it was financially viable if not so morally viable and as such i don't think the club would see this as a 'mistake'.

besides what message would the club be sending if they did interview the fans and 98% voiced their disapproval but they went and did it anyway. i think the club is smarter than you give them credit for and on issues such as 1 year kit cycles and proposed ground shares, where they know they will not get public approval prior to such projects they act then tell us its in our best interests rather than act on public opinion gathered prior to the event.

[davieG]

interesting results and a good survey from the trust.

however have to disagree with this part

"What is clear however is 98% don't approve of a 1 year deal. The Trust board feels if the club had consulted prior to making this decision and listened, then they would have avoided making this mistake"

I think the club knew full well that people wouldn't like the 1 year aspect and wouldn't accept the reasons/excuses for the club doing it.  however the anticipated revenue from a 1 year kit cycle must have made them think it was financially viable if not so morally viable and as such i don't think the club would see this as a 'mistake'.

besides what message would the club be sending if they did interview the fans and 98% voiced their disapproval but they went and did it anyway. i think the club is smarter than you give them credit for and on issues such as 1 year kit cycles and proposed ground shares, where they know they will not get public approval prior to such projects they act then tell us its in our best interests rather than act on public opinion gathered prior to the event.

98706[/snapback]

I don't think the trust underestimates what you call their cleverness, i'd call it devious , dishonest and patronising.

Having a 'Fan's Charter' which you then completely ignore makes them totally untrustworthy.

[Knighton Matt]

interesting results and a good survey from the trust.

however have to disagree with this part

"What is clear however is 98% don't approve of a 1 year deal. The Trust board feels if the club had consulted prior to making this decision and listened, then they would have avoided making this mistake"

I think the club knew full well that people wouldn't like the 1 year aspect and wouldn't accept the reasons/excuses for the club doing it.  however the anticipated revenue from a 1 year kit cycle must have made them think it was financially viable if not so morally viable and as such i don't think the club would see this as a 'mistake'.

besides what message would the club be sending if they did interview the fans and 98% voiced their disapproval but they went and did it anyway. i think the club is smarter than you give them credit for and on issues such as 1 year kit cycles and proposed ground shares, where they know they will not get public approval prior to such projects they act then tell us its in our best interests rather than act on public opinion gathered prior to the event.

98706[/snapback]

I don't think the trust underestimates what you call their cleverness, i'd call it devious , dishonest and patronising.

Having a 'Fan's Charter' which you then completely ignore makes them totally untrustworthy.

98713[/snapback]

your vocab is far superior to mine davieg! for some reason this reminds me of the iraq war because people in power don't ask the questions if they don't want to know the answer because they know the answer will more than likely go against what they're going to do anyway.

[davieG]

interesting results and a good survey from the trust.

however have to disagree with this part

"What is clear however is 98% don't approve of a 1 year deal. The Trust board feels if the club had consulted prior to making this decision and listened, then they would have avoided making this mistake"

I think the club knew full well that people wouldn't like the 1 year aspect and wouldn't accept the reasons/excuses for the club doing it.  however the anticipated revenue from a 1 year kit cycle must have made them think it was financially viable if not so morally viable and as such i don't think the club would see this as a 'mistake'.

besides what message would the club be sending if they did interview the fans and 98% voiced their disapproval but they went and did it anyway. i think the club is smarter than you give them credit for and on issues such as 1 year kit cycles and proposed ground shares, where they know they will not get public approval prior to such projects they act then tell us its in our best interests rather than act on public opinion gathered prior to the event.

98706[/snapback]

I don't think the trust underestimates what you call their cleverness, i'd call it devious , dishonest and patronising.

Having a 'Fan's Charter' which you then completely ignore makes them totally untrustworthy.

98713[/snapback]

your vocab is far superior to mine davieg! for some reason this reminds me of the iraq war because people in power don't ask the questions if they don't want to know the answer because they know the answer will more than likely go against what they're going to do anyway.

98716[/snapback]

Well it's just how I feel, there is a simple answer to it though, just tear up the charter, be honest with the fans - say we're desperate for the money and the shirts would fly off the shelves, I'd even buy one myself - It's called honesty and treating the fans as FANS and not some supermarket customer.

[Nationwider]

The new kit is fairly similar to the old one, which was quite popular. You'd think that this might work against the club as people won't feel too out of place wearing the old one, and might hang on for another season? Probably just me thinking this, though...

Having said that, I've not got kids, so I'm not under any external pressure!

[Foxes_Trust]

Well it's just how I feel, there is a simple answer to it though, just tear up the charter, be honest with the fans - say we're desperate for the money and the shirts would fly off the shelves, I'd even buy one myself - It's called honesty and treating the fans as FANS and not some supermarket customer.

98720[/snapback]

We would agree with that, which is what Q5 was all about.

Stop using spin & tell it like it is.

Answering an earlier point, we do believe it is a mistake as:

1) Fans who don't buy it this year may never get the habit back of buying kit again

2) That would mean in the longer term revenue would fall

3) The 1 year deal removes a further layer of trust between the fans & the club, as they failed to consult & ignored the charter. A Fans Forum was even held 4 days before the kit launch & still they didn't state it would be 1 year.

[Knighton Matt]

Well it's just how I feel, there is a simple answer to it though, just tear up the charter, be honest with the fans - say we're desperate for the money and the shirts would fly off the shelves, I'd even buy one myself - It's called honesty and treating the fans as FANS and not some supermarket customer.

98720[/snapback]

We would agree with that, which is what Q5 was all about.

Stop using spin & tell it like it is.

Answering an earlier point, we do believe it is a mistake as:

1) Fans who don't buy it this year may never get the habit back of buying kit again

2) That would mean in the longer term revenue would fall

3) The 1 year deal removes a further layer of trust between the fans & the club, as they failed to consult & ignored the charter. A Fans Forum was even held 4 days before the kit launch & still they didn't state it would be 1 year.

98728[/snapback]

agreed. the reason given for parading the kit at home to leeds and making it available for sale now rather than the summer as in the past was that the club had consulted with fans and they had voiced their concern that the new kit was not available for them to wear whilst on holiday! i mean please why don't they just admit it was a cash flow issue rather than patronise us with this tosh!