Mother 'too stupid' to keep child

[TrickyTrev]

There MUST be some reason why they took her child, they don't just take children like that willy nilly.

Exactly. It is extremely difficult for social workers to forcibly take children away from their parents. I think thats right because the last thing you want is the state deciding who can and can't bring up their own children. But let us not pretend that social workers are evil baby snatchers with too much power, in my experience social workers hate having to take children away from their families but when they feel it is necessary find it vey difficult to do so.

[BoneDog]

If there was good reason for them to take the child we would know about it no doubt. You wouldn't have a big news organization interviewing the victim with no comment or evidence from the authorities. All they said was 'a nurse raised concerns about the womans ability to raise a child'. It's bullshit. They didn't take the child away because of some past crimes committed by the mother, they took the kid because they said the mother didn't seem intelligent enough to raise a child. Total crap and I can't believe it.

[Guest]

This woman has done nothing wrong at all

How do you know?

If there was good reason for them to take the child we would know about it no doubt.

Why would we? I think I said earlier, most family cases are heard in closed courts. All you've got to go on is the mother's story, and she's not going to say anything that will undermine her case.

Until I know all the facts, I'm not going to say whether or not this decision is right or wrong.

[davieG]

Unfortunately, for the past thirty years "society" has decided that it prefers tax cuts to the provision of universal welfare services.

A consequence of this is that local authorities (in this case Nottingham City Council) are faced with horrendously difficult value judgements based on the level of resources available to them. They have considered the reports presented to them and concluded that the best long-term option for the child lies with foster parents.

An understandably emotive report on BBC yesterday suggested the mother would never be allowed to see the child again. If true, that would be incredibly harsh, and not justifiable on the evidence presented to viewers.

But in cases such as this the council, as a corporate parent, has a duty to protect all children in its care. And no member or senior officer of any council wants to suffer the same fate as Haringey after the Baby P case.

Whether these facilities are the way forward or not you cannot seriously blame the lack of them on the public for wanting tax cuts - that's as laughably a thing I've ever heard you say.

We have been increasingly more taxed over the last 30 years whilst Central and Local Government has expanded and become ever more wasteful and intrusive in all areas of society.

With talk of ID cards costing in excess of £5billion and each individual having to pay in excess of £60 both apparently conservative estimates as one example. There isn't even a consensus of support for them.

[BoneDog]

How do you know?

Why would we? I think I said earlier, most family cases are heard in closed courts. All you've got to go on is the mother's story, and she's not going to say anything that will undermine her case.

Until I know all the facts, I'm not going to say whether or not this decision is right or wrong.

So are you saying she might of done something wrong but the authorities are refusing to say?! If they had a good reason they would not keep it secret. FACT

[Guest]

So are you saying she might of done something wrong but the authorities are refusing to say?! If they had a good reason they would not keep it secret. FACT

Of course they would, if it meant it compromised the safety and well being of both the mother, child or any other interested party. If the case was heard before the new legislation that has opened up the family courts, then they can't report what was said or given in evidence to the judge, unless he or she allows it. If the judge has imposed reporting restrictions, then nobody would be allowed to say anything.

Like I say, I would like to know the full facts before condemning or disagreeing with the ruling.

[davieG]

So are you saying she might of done something wrong but the authorities are refusing to say?! If they had a good reason they would not keep it secret. FACT

Rubbish!

[Bellend Sebastian]

They are paid a lot more then most servicemen and no one is forcing them to do the job.

Until we rid a social service system where failure is continually met with a "Lets hope we can learn from our mistakes" attitude nothing will change.

A lot of people are paid more than servicemen, I'm not really sure what your point is

[lou]

I just hope the child gets what they need at the end of all this. Thats the most important thing.

Theres no point at all me expressing an opinion on whether its right or wrong as some have rightly said we dont know all the facts.

I hope whoever they place the child with, loves and cherishes her

[lou]

The evidence presented to viewers being her side of the story! Thats the whole point..... we, the viewers dont know the full facts.

[skinnydipper]

Unfortunately, for the past thirty years "society" has decided that it prefers tax cuts to the provision of universal welfare services.

A consequence of this is that local authorities (in this case Nottingham City Council) are faced with horrendously difficult value judgements based on the level of resources available to them. They have considered the reports presented to them and concluded that the best long-term option for the child lies with foster parents.

An understandably emotive report on BBC yesterday suggested the mother would never be allowed to see the child again. If true, that would be incredibly harsh, and not justifiable on the evidence presented to viewers.

But in cases such as this the council, as a corporate parent, has a duty to protect all children in its care. And no member or senior officer of any council wants to suffer the same fate as Haringey after the Baby P case.

This is the norm in cases of extra-familial adoption as the parent is usually vehemently opposed to it and risks undermining the stability of the adoptive placement if contact takes place. Also many prospective adopters are unwilling to facilitate contact with the birth family - some consider that's because they consider adoption as ownership when it should be anything but that.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I want to see a representative from the relevant authorities to stand in front of a television camera and say 'she can't look after her kid because she's too DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH DUHHHHHHHHHHH DUHHHHHHHHHHHH'

Then we'll know exactly what they mean

[stez]

I want to see a representative from the relevant authorities to stand in front of a television camera and say 'she can't look after her kid because she's too DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH DUHHHHHHHHHHH DUHHHHHHHHHHHH'

Then we'll know exactly what they mean

with their tongue stuck in the area atop the chin and 'neath the bottom lip?

^ that area needs a name

[Bellend Sebastian]

with their tongue stuck in the area atop the chin and 'neath the bottom lip?

^ that area needs a name

Yes. EXACTLY like that.

People beat around the bush far too much these days. Tell it like it is