are we good fans?

[Gold Coast Fox]

I'm a pretty amazing fan

Australian's make the best fans

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Australian's make the best fans

And lovers......well that's what i tell all the ladies when i'm overseas anyway.

[Captain...]

As has been said by many numbers wise we are very good fans, but I do think the overriding attitude at the ground is one of negativity, I don't think I have found a seat yet which doesn't have moaning git within earshot.

There was a post on here a few weeks ago about "buzz" and how going to the ground you don't get that buzz that you used, just a weary air of resignation, what surprised me the most was Pearson's return, the atmosphere wasn't bad, but no better than normal, when Pearson was introduced there was a polite applause, no cheering, no shouting, no chanting and no buzz around the ground I really expected more. After a lacklustre first half the knives were out at half time, "Wellens is crap", "Gally is rubbish", "What is Dyer doing on the pitch" etc

If you don't believe that the fans can affect the players performance then you have never worked in a place with a negative atmosphere, I have and it was horrible, you could see it everywhere and feel it, it made you dread going to work and unable to motivate yourself for even the simplest of tasks. I am not saying the fans are responsible for our poor performances but they can help improve the atmosphere and that will have a consequence on the pitch.

Take Newcastle for example, (the self appointed best fans in the country) is it any surprise they got relegated when all the fans were at odds with the board, now they have settled their differences look at where they are.

[Mack]

The way our fans are at times is not unique to us.

It's a cultural thing and the same behaviour is prevalent at most other clubs around the country.

People expect instant gratification in today's World, and sport is an unpredictable genre.

No wonder the WWE is so popular!?

[Guest bennytwohats]

I don't. Who does that? He gets criticism on the forum but he's never booed. And he's never likely to be booed or even called a **** because he tries his best.

Comparing us to Man U makes your argument redundant

Firstly they do give him a lot of stick. Secondly, they are bloody Man U, they don't know how it feels to really suffer as a football fan. Theirdly, at least Berbatov is class and scores goals.

I notice how you just ignored that other post about the 'abuse'. Funny that.

You might not remember but before Berbatov has been banging them in he struggled for a while, couldn't score for shit, limited game time, shot on confidence etc. Admittedly he is a better player than Beckford, sure. But their situation isn't that far removed. Point is that Beckford could be a great player for us, but he is clearly shot for confidence and the fans getting on his back is doing him no favours at all. Thing is he hasn't even been that bad recently, no worse than the others - but he comes under so much more shit, the fans as a collective clearly have it in for him.

Gah, I just typed out a load more shit but there is no point trying to discuss with you, blinded wasteman.

[Howard9]

The amount of changes our team has seen throughout the past couple of seasons and the fact that results havnt been going our way recently, but still we turn up to games and sing for our team should indicate that we are good fans, we have a right to be annoyed with players that get paid 20,000 a week train for 3 hours a day and then do **** all during the big game, we have the right to complain when we spend 40 hard earned pounds on a piece of paper which at this current time would be more useful to wipe my arse with. but still we go and we watch and we get annoyed, if we didnt get annoyed and get on the players backs then it shows we dont care. to answer your main question YES we are good fans.

[Guest bennytwohats]

If you don't believe that the fans can affect the players performance then you have never worked in a place with a negative atmosphere, I have and it was horrible, you could see it everywhere and feel it, it made you dread going to work and unable to motivate yourself for even the simplest of tasks. I am not saying the fans are responsible for our poor performances but they can help improve the atmosphere and that will have a consequence on the pitch.

Careful mate, last time this was suggested everyone dived right in with 'they're paid enough, they should just get on with it etc' without being able to comprehend the fact that despite their ludicrous salaries, the players are, afterall, human.

[accessory]

In terms of numbers we're well supported, but in terms of role supporters can play in helping their team we're truely p*ss poor. I live in Swansea 6 months of the year and been to quite a few games at the Liberty, and the difference between the way they get behind their team and the way we get behind our team is huge. One example is comparing the playoff semi finals. Ours against Cardiff felt like just another game, we couldn't even fill the stadium. Whereas the atmosphere at Swansea's game against forest was just magical, still get a tingle down the spine thinking about it. Whilst I miss not being able to get a season ticket any more, I'd say going to the Swans games and being part of everyone pulling in the same direction makes up for it. Thats why away games are so much better than home games.

Possibly because it was a first-leg game, so there was nothing resting on the actual day. Swansea thought if they could survive an away leg with 10 men, the outlook for them at their place would be positive. And so it proved.

Also remember Swansea have had 15000 fans jump on their bandwagon since they moved to their new stadium.

[Guest Col city fan]

I notice how you just ignored that other post about the 'abuse'. Funny that.

You might not remember but before Berbatov has been banging them in he struggled for a while, couldn't score for shit, limited game time, shot on confidence etc. Admittedly he is a better player than Beckford, sure. But their situation isn't that far removed. Point is that Beckford could be a great player for us, but he is clearly shot for confidence and the fans getting on his back is doing him no favours at all. Thing is he hasn't even been that bad recently, no worse than the others - but he comes under so much more shit, the fans as a collective clearly have it in for him.

Gah, I just typed out a load more shit but there is no point trying to discuss with you, blinded wasteman.

This is generally a bag of shite.

The forum HAS been full of lots of criticism recently yes, mainly of Wellens and Alan Young

Beckford has been pretty much defended by a large majority of the posters. Indeed, any criticism of Beckford that Alan Young has made has been slated.

You say that Beckford could be a 'great' player for us.. Let's hope he can but from what I've seen of him so far, I don't share your optimism at all.

I reckon that Beckford has been dross in a Leicester City shirt, again compared with the expectation that many had of him.

I think he's gotten away relatively scot free whilst others have been pretty much crucified, mainly Wellens and King.

Reading many posts on here recently, Beckford seems to be becoming something of a fans favourite where most of his shortcomings are simply explained away by arguments such as 'lack of supply'. Such an argument I concede is partially true, but by no means explains fully his awful goals tally and his inability to go for any more than five minutes without falling on his arse or arguing with the ref.

'Beckford love' seems to be becoming almost as endemic as 'Sven love' where fans utterly refuse to accept that he actually may have been a bad signing.

I've gone on record to say that I genuinely hope Beckford starts to produce somewhere near the form that the eternal optimists believe he can.

But to say 'the fans as a collective have it in for him'?... This ain't what I've been reading recently. If you would have said this about Wellens, King (sometimes Bamba) and Alan Young, I would agreed with you. But in Beckfords case it just ain't true...

[Poakey]

This is generally a bag of shite.

The forum HAS been full of lots of criticism recently yes, mainly of Wellens and Alan Young

Beckford has been pretty much defended by a large majority of the posters. Indeed, any criticism of Beckford that Alan Young has made has been slated.

You say that Beckford could be a 'great' player for us.. Let's hope he can but from what I've seen of him so far, I don't share your optimism at all.

I reckon that Beckford has been dross in a Leicester City shirt, again compared with the expectation that many had of him.

I think he's gotten away relatively scot free whilst others have been pretty much crucified, mainly Wellens and King.

Reading many posts on here recently, Beckford seems to be becoming something of a fans favourite where most of his shortcomings are simply explained away by arguments such as 'lack of supply'. Such an argument I concede is partially true, but by no means explains fully his awful goals tally and his inability to go for any more than five minutes without falling on his arse or arguing with the ref.

'Beckford love' seems to be becoming almost as endemic as 'Sven love' where fans utterly refuse to accept that he actually may have been a bad signing.

I've gone on record to say that I genuinely hope Beckford starts to produce somewhere near the form that the eternal optimists believe he can.

But to say 'the fans as a collective have it in for him'?... This ain't what I've been reading recently. If you would have said this about Wellens, King (sometimes Bamba) and Alan Young, I would agreed with you. But in Beckfords case it just ain't true...

This is generally a bag of shite.

The forum HAS been full of lots of criticism recently yes, mainly of Wellens and Alan Young

Beckford has been pretty much defended by a large majority of the posters. Indeed, any criticism of Beckford that Alan Young has made has been slated.

You say that Beckford could be a 'great' player for us.. Let's hope he can but from what I've seen of him so far, I don't share your optimism at all.

I reckon that Beckford has been dross in a Leicester City shirt, again compared with the expectation that many had of him.

I think he's gotten away relatively scot free whilst others have been pretty much crucified, mainly Wellens and King.

Reading many posts on here recently, Beckford seems to be becoming something of a fans favourite where most of his shortcomings are simply explained away by arguments such as 'lack of supply'. Such an argument I concede is partially true, but by no means explains fully his awful goals tally and his inability to go for any more than five minutes without falling on his arse or arguing with the ref.

'Beckford love' seems to be becoming almost as endemic as 'Sven love' where fans utterly refuse to accept that he actually may have been a bad signing.

I've gone on record to say that I genuinely hope Beckford starts to produce somewhere near the form that the eternal optimists believe he can.

But to say 'the fans as a collective have it in for him'?... This ain't what I've been reading recently. If you would have said this about Wellens, King (sometimes Bamba) and Alan Young, I would agreed with you. But in Beckfords case it just ain't true...

"fans favourite" & "Beckford love"? where'd the you get that from?

[Guest Col city fan]

"fans favourite" & "Beckford love"? where'd the you get that from?

Jermaine Beckford was signed to a fanfare of adulation.. Sven was hailed as a king maker for getting such a big name to the club. Despite reservations on the acquisition of Beckford, by myself at the time and some others, any hint of concern about his suitability for the club was met generally with either ignorance or dismissal.

For me, Beckford has been nothing other than a flop, thus far. This has been at the same time as Wellens and King, to name but two, have been showing possibly the worst form of their careers.

The point I'm making is pretty straightforward. Whilst a number of 'reasons' have been made to try to explain away the fact that Beckford's all round game has been pants, little reasoning has been offered to suggest why Wellens and King have also been underperforming. Especially in the example of Wellens who has just been dismissed as being 'past it', 'knackered' or just plain shite.

I'm not defending any of them. I've never seen Wellens put in such inept displays as he has recently or King 'go missing' to this extent. But to say that Beckford is the player who most fans 'love to hate' is nonsense.

HIS ineptitude has been 'the fault of those around him', rather than his own magnifold shortcomings.

Why this is, I don't really know... Maybe because he's a 'fresh face' in many peoples eyes? Maybe because he was a 'Sven signing' or maybe because we all saw at Leeds he was a sensational goal taker?

But I think that criticism should be laid squarely on his shoulders in the same way as it has been with the aforementioned players.

But it's generally not been....instead, the 'time to gel', 'he will start scoring' arguments have been done to death IMO.

It's of little surprise to me that Pearson has come in and dropped him.

This team desperately needs a striker who can compliment Dave Nugent, who can make and take his own chances and who is willing to gamble in the box. This striker is not Beckford, from what I've seen of him so far, he's miles away.

Anyway, my point remains that Beckford is in no way the most 'abused' player by the fans, and certainly not on this forum. Which is why I replied to the post above.