Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Could be an interesting one tonight, Labour should hold onto it but Respect and UKIP are both as short as 6/1 in the betting. UKIP got a massive boost with the ridiculous decision from the council last week regarding adoption and went from looking to save a deposit to genuine candidates and the Respect party will again be targeting the local Muslims to try and get themselves a second seat in the house. The Respect leaflet that was landed through people's doors really shows how dirty politics can get, it contained quotes such as. "On Thursday the 29th November every voter and most importantly every Muslim and Asian family in Rotherham will have the opportunity to send a message to the sickening racism, Islamophobia and corruption of the Labour party here in this town." It says the party has "twice elected MPs to stand against the corrupt practices of the Conservatives and Labour's Savile Row socialism." And it suggests Labour is guilty of "'If they are brown or black send them back' racism not seen since National Front campaigns of the 1970s." http://www.guardian....t-racists-claim Not as good as Galloways one that got him elected in Bradford but a fair effort , what it's worth I think Labour will hold on somehow but dont see UKIP or Respect being too far off. I can see both performing better and better as people become more annoyed with the main parties.
Alexikokopops Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 The Respect leaflet that was landed through people's doors really shows how dirty politics can get, it contained quotes such as. http://www.guardian....t-racists-claim From reading that article it's not actually the Respect leaflet, but an unofficial one.
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 From reading that article it's not actually the Respect leaflet, but an unofficial one. About the fifth time that's happened isn't it now? Amazing. Reminds me of when the BNP used to deny it was their literature going through the doors in Dagenham a few years back. This is my favourite from the Bradford election. "God KNOWS who is a Muslim. And he KNOWS who is not," and went on to say: "I, George Galloway, do not drink alcohol and never have. Ask yourself if you believe the other candidate in this election can say that truthfully." Just exactly why you should be voting for a candidate.
Alexikokopops Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 About the fifth time that's happened isn't it now? Amazing. Reminds me of when the BNP used to deny it was their literature going through the doors in Dagenham a few years back. This is my favourite from the Bradford election. Just exactly why you should be voting for a candidate. Fair enough. To be honest it's happening outside zone 2 of London so we all know it doesn't really matter.
Alf Bentley Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Interesting in that Labour, Tories & Lib Dems could all end up with egg on their faces... I'm surprised to see some bookies rating Respect's chances that high; Bradford was different as it has a big Muslim population and the candidate was Galloway, who is charismatic and famous (even if he is an untrustworthy demagogue, in my view). Everything seems to be consipiring for UKIP to do well, though: outgoing Labour MP guilty of fiddling expenses, Tories/Lib Dems weak locally, big influx of immigrants, local Labour discontent at imposition of non-local candidate, plus the UKIP foster parents fiasco (the last 2 being serious own-goals). I reckon.... - Narrow Labour hold as the anti-Lab vote will divide too many ways - UKIP a close second - Tories possibly 4th behind Respect, though the English Democrats candidate might also beat them - English Democrats 5th, BNP 6th, Lib Dems 7th (!) (last 2 losing their deposits) I could look stupid by tomorrow, though! So, egg on face for all the big parties....who'll all highlight the egg on the face of others. Will probably have zero impact long-term, though, apart from the UKIP surge starting a bit earlier, when it would otherwise have started from the Euro elections or another byelection (Farage to stand if Nadine Dorries gets pushed out, anyone? No wonder the Tories aren't being too hard on her). I'm a bit sorry for Denis "McShame". Of course, he shouldn't have fiddled his expenses and had to go, but unlike most of the others (all parties), he doesn't seem to have done it for significant personal gain but to pay for lots of trips to Europe on political business. It seems he generally bought cheap flights with Easyjet to save money, but forged a few invoices to cover his work expenses and not be out of pocket....unlike the greedy chiselers who pocketed thousands for no reason by swapping their main residence, claiming for ridiculous expenses etc.
Guest MattP Posted 30 November 2012 Posted 30 November 2012 You might have called this spot on Alf. BBC reported it should be a Labour hold with a reduced majority over UKIP, be interesting to see what the Tory vote is and how the "election pact" would have probably impacted this vote.
Guest MattP Posted 30 November 2012 Posted 30 November 2012 1st Labour 2nd UKIP 3rd BNP 4th Respect 5th Tories 6th Lib Dems
Guest MattP Posted 30 November 2012 Posted 30 November 2012 The most depressing stat is a 25% turnout, terrible.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 30 November 2012 Posted 30 November 2012 1st Labour 2nd UKIP 3rd BNP 4th Respect 5th Tories 6th Lib Dems Lib Dems have been knocked down to eighth by the English Democrats and an Independent apparently.
Guest MattP Posted 30 November 2012 Posted 30 November 2012 Lib Dems been knocked down to eighth by the English Democrats and an Independent apparently. Much obliged, I copied that from a tweet, Liberals must have lost their deposit then.
Alf Bentley Posted 30 November 2012 Posted 30 November 2012 Turnout was just under 34%, according to Wikipedia...not great, but par for the course, especially for an area that's probably suffering a great deal from the economic crash and the Tory response. Surprisingly big win for Labour, though it's a "safe seat", what with McShame, UKIP foster parents etc. Sigh of relief for them. Thought UKIP would get closer to Labour - maybe even win - given the favourable circumstances for them. This maybe confirms that UKIP mainly has a future in Tory seats (home counties, Essex, Yorkshire, SW), not Labour seats. Go on, Nadine, get back to the Aussie jungle - Farage would win a byelection in Bedfordshire... On the other hand, I'm surprised the BNP vote held up so well (almost twice the Tories; 4 times more than the Lib Dems?!?!), even if it was down on 2010.The BNP seem to have been in disarray recently. Shows the disillusionment, I suppose - and a BNP revival could have more impact on Labour than Tories....quite apart from being disgusting, worrying and hateful news in itself (Nazis in suits). Comparison by % (2010 v. 2012): Source: Wikipedia Labour: 44% -> 46% UKIP 6% -> 22% BNP 10%-> 8% Respect 0%-> 8% Tory 17% -> 5% Lib Dem 16% -> 2%
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