ealingfox

 

As if some of them still bang on about that penalty miss. I forgot they beat Palace in the final to win promotion.

 

It's the greatest moment in their history, don't you remember them saying?

Could never understand how last season people kept going on about what a strong bench we had.

We do this year, that's not a bad second 11.

Where have you got that from? Nobody said we had a strong bench last season, and we didn't. That was a significant part of the collapse.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2014/feb/08/leicester-playoffs-premier-league-promised-land

 

For Leicester City Anthony Knockaert's celebration at Vicarage Road in December was an exercise in exorcism. Knockaert, after scoring in the second half of a comfortable 3-0 victory, ran to the travelling supporters as if the biggest of burdens had been disposed of, relief and joy etched on his face in equal measure.

His reaction was no surprise. Leicester, who will be reunited with Watford on Saturday in the Championship, were one kick away from a play-off final and a shot at promotion to the Premier League, only for Manuel Almunia to save Knockaert's penalty in the dying seconds. Watford, with their campaign seemingly at an end, then countered to score in the most dramatic of finishes.

Leicester were inconsolable, yet now, having kept Nigel Pearson at the helm, are having a season in the sun. From annus horribilis to annus mirabilis the Foxes are currently 10 points clear at the top of the table and 13 ahead of Burnley in third. This time around there will surely be no bitter denouement.

It's kind of addictive.  But no it isn't a 'gateway'.

I accept that you can become dependent on it, but its entirely different to say, heroin addiction. If you build smoking into your routine, sustained use for a long period of time will make it difficult to remove from your routine. Whereas hyper-addictive drugs force you to want more.

By your argument then all the problems we have now are nothing to do with it being illegal.

Not just a question of legality. Of course the black market and everything connected to that is directly related to the law. But having lived in the Netherlands for a year, I don't think cannabis being legal and freely available has been any detriment to their society, and I imagine here would be the same.

If you compare the drugs situation with prohibition in the US in the 30s, prohibition was repealed because it was believed to be fueling organised crime. The questions I'd ask are;

 

Is there less organised crime in the US now than then?

Are there less alcoholics now than then?

Have alcohol related deaths fallen?

Is there less crime caused by alcoholic consumption now than then? 

 

I don't have any figures but I doubt if the answer to any of those questions is yes. Anyone who thinks that legalising drugs will make these problems go away is kidding themselves.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. There are all sorts of reasons that the answers to those questions are yes, not just a question of legality.

Mickey O'Neil, on 01 Jan 2014 - 4:13 PM, said:

I work with murderers and rapists. I can't say for sure that cannabis has had a 100% baring on their mental state and has caused them to commit their index offences, but, it's had a massive effect for the negative. I DO NOT CARE what anyone says, I know you become paranoid smoking that shite.

It also cannot cause schizophrenia, however, if you are susceptible then there's a very good chance you'll be "found out".

My brother is fvcked up and I 100% blame cannabis. When he kills someone (or himself) I'll be on here to update you all. Again, as pointed out earlier, you can't say cannabis 100% leads to harder drugs every time, but in this case, it has. He's now on methadone. I don't understand how you get to that exact point in your life where you've got a needle in your hand ready to stick in in your arm.

There will always be those who go through their lives and be ok. I get that. They are the lucky few.

Anyone who smokes it because they think they are cleaver and big, I hope you end up like my brother.

No chance of blaming your brother for smoking the cannabis? It's not addictive, and it doesn't make you take other drugs.

One for the royalists...

*small drum roll*

God save our great NP,

Long balls not for NP,

God save NP

Makes us victorious,

Trainers are glorious,

Long time we've waited to go up,

Go-od save NP

Steal Marching On Together and change it to Marcin On Together?

Fixture 1, it's been moved,

Fixture 2, it's been moved....

Definite goer.

From a bbc article last year:

Cannabis rarely directly leads to death, but its estimated 2,800,000 users suffered an average of 16 associated deaths per year, which is 6 micromorts a year. The average of 766 heroin-related deaths a year comes out as 19,700 micromorts per year – 54 a day – but this will be an underestimate. 

But there are many other harmful effects apart from death: for example, it’s been estimated that smokers of cannabis are about 2.6 times more likely to have a psychotic-like experience than non-smokers. Apart from the risks of dependence and withdrawal, heroin users may get HIV or hepatitis from non-sterile needles, or abscesses and poisoning with contaminants. Not forgetting the standard effect of opiates on chronic constipation.

Risk status

So how can we compare the harms of different drugs, including legal ones such as alcohol and tobacco? A study published in 2010 looked at harms to users, such as mortality, damage to physical and mental health, dependence, and loss of resources and relationships, as well as harms to society, such as injury of others, crime, environmental damage, family adversities, international damage, economic cost and effects on the community. Each drug was scored on each dimension, the different harms weighted according to their judged importance and a total harm score calculated. 

The resulting ranking put alcohol at the top with 72, then heroin and crack cocaine at 55 and 54, tobacco was 6th at 26, and ecstasy almost at the bottom of the list with nine, in spite of it being a Class A drug in the UK. This was controversial, with one national UK tabloid newspaper proclaiming that the main author, Professor David Nutt, was a ‘dangerous man’.

Even more controversial than comparing illegal and legal drugs, is to compare illegal drugs with ‘wholesome’ activities.  Again it was Nutt, then head of the Advisory Council for the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), who wrote a paper comparing ecstasy with ‘equasy’, the addiction to horse-riding, claiming that these were both voluntary leisure activities of young people, and of comparable dangers.  He did not stay as head of the ACMD for much longer.

So if there's anything that should be legal, it's ecstasy, and I agree because it's fvcking great.

You think we are funtioning that well as a society with it?

 

Our town centres at night become no go zones due to the booze culture we have (I know as I partake in it), we have thousands of deaths on the road due to it, most domestic violence results from use of it. Untold people have criminal records because of actions that have committed on it.

 

As for cannabis being openly avaliable in just ten years I think you can tell the difference in Amsterdam to how much of a zomified shithole it has become now.

 

I'm not against it and I wouldnt try and stop someone smoking it, just seeing what it has done to some of the people I care about it's hard for me to justify legalising it.

Bit of an exaggeration, they hardly become the Gaza strip do they?

Also a massive exaggeration. A relatively small area in the City Centre (the Red Light District) has become very tacky, seedy and just not very nice, but thats not solely down to cannabis being legal, prostitution also is as were other drugs like mushrooms until a few years ago. Generally speaking the rest of the city is still beautiful.

Also I don't know if it has occurred to anyone that legalisation would have an indirect effect on Leicester and by association Leicester City. Legalisation of cannabis would mean that sales and consequently shares in Walkers go through the roof, making the company far richer and more powerful. Walkers then use this money and power and invest in the local economy and pump it into Leicester City. We repay our debts and have much more money to spend, even under FFP, because of Walkers' investment.

Ok I understand that it is ok for you as an individual.You have demonstrated that you are capable of managing it . But by your own admittance  it affects people differently and I would say you are in the minority who can handle it long term. You only have to look at the low lives you see in the street wandering around smelling like a urine soaked bonfire to know it's not good for society.

But so does alcohol, and what proof do you have that said low-lives are in the position they are in because of cannabis? I think it's far more likely that alcohol abuse has put them there, or a hyper-addictive drug habit.

No, no and thrice no.

Turns people into paranoid, empty headed wrecks. Try living next door to a bunch of potheads and all the Pro lot would soon change their tune.

The stuff reeks as well and there's kids that have to breathe that crap in when it wafts over. Parks are the worst place for it. There needs to be a message that this stuff is definitely not ok.

Been a regular user since I was 15. This week I'm finishing my Master thesis. It affects people differently, blanket statements like that are far less applicable to cannabis than alcohol.

Why are people so desperate to bring back safe standing, okay i've read various threads about improving the atmosphere, but i mean seriously? Personally if whoever is in charge of this says "no" then it should be put to bed. If it's sitting or standing i'll still follow the foxes, but some people must realise the days off standing in over crowded stadiums are long gone. Even if they call it safe standing, there still are dangers!

Think 'Safe Standing' implies the dangers have been recognised and minimised. Safe Standing must be safer than everyone standing up in seated areas anyway. I for one would love to see the back of damaged shins.

It does say the event was in Leicester.

Joking aside, I do think it'd be appropriate for fans to chip in for a bench and/or plaque at the memorial garden as and when he does pass away.

The man absolutely adores Leicester City and it's something I'm sure he'd want.

We should think about training up a Young Bernie to continue his legacy when he sadly does move on.

Any volunteers?

How does he afford it? Especially with the prices these days...

I actually wouldn't begrudge the club for hooking him up for every match, when you've been that fanatic for that long I think you probably deserve it.

Oh, so the non-Leicester fans didn't mind, then?

They were in Norwich remember....

Sorry but Phil Jones has Andy King beat in this department with the utmost ease. Never seen any game face like his...

This is a Leicester game we're talking about, rugby fans will be asking where they might show the England match.

still think we need one for keane how about...

(to the tune of in your cup final)

ooooh michael keaneeee!

ooooh michael keaneeee!

came from man u!

to play in blue!

oh michael keaneeee!

Forgive me if its obvious, but how is that done to the tune of 'in your cup final'? It sounds more like the Mancini song (Mancini, woooah...) which incidentally could be a decent alternative.

Oh, Keaney, woooah,

Oh, Keaney, woooah,

He came here from Man U,

to swap his red for blue,

Oh, Keaney, woooah

.

"Anyone remember 6-0/1 defeat when Moran scored a hat trick for them. Hundreds of Owls attempted to leave at half-time, but they wouldn't let us out"

That's brilliant if true. Just conjured up an image of dozens of stewards sitting crying Wednesday fans down and telling them 'Come on now son, you're going to take this thrashing like a man'.

As one of my favourite threads, I was a little excited at the prospect of two new pages here, but it turns out they are just absolute drivel.