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3 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Farage has seemed to change from trying to protect the country to now trying to damage the country more very quickly.

He was never ever wanting to protect the country,  I struggle to see why people from day one  didnot understand he was only ever in it for himself,  but then I never understood the fandom of Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson either.  

6 hours ago, leicsmac said:

6 hours ago, leicsmac said:

... because big corpos good and big government bad, apparently.

 

Not sure what the distinction is in terms of power level and ability to abuse it, personally. 

Seems to me that is playing out pretty badly for us all these days,  not helped by poor or non existent regulation.

9 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Same with the teeth gnashing about ID cards. 

 

The government and big business already know everything about you, and it's barely any different to having a National ID card or even your driving licence which has your picture and identity on it. 

Its even stupider than that,  with a national ID there would be no need for these private companies to hold any information of significance on you to be able to log on other than you have a government ID that permits you to use that website.  Its amazing really how we are all willing to give away our private information to all and sundry but at the same time don't wish to have a national id that would hold no more information on us than the government already hold.  

Can anyone really be that thick,  that they see that poster as a vote winner...............oh wait a minute!!

2 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I wonder who's taken back control and what of?

 

My guess is that you mean big capital has taken back control of the economy, politics and society to the same extent as in the Victorian era.

Either that or you're referring to the Labour Govt taking back control of immigration? 

 

Oh well, wrong time to debate as Germany v. Curaçao is almost upon us....

My question to the average Brexiteer,do they persinally feel more in control of anything and if so what.

3 hours ago, oxford blue said:

RTB was a disaster for the social rented sector as Councils were initially only able to keep 25% of revenue; houses could not be replaced. Now, RTB is far more restrictive and compared to 1990 only a very small number of tenants will be able to exercise a RTB. Councils now have all the money to re-invest though.

 

Regarding Housing Costs in UC, the maximum amount that will be paid is the Local Housing Allowance rate . This is set at 30% of all rents for that type of property. This is designed to ensure that those receiving housing benefits can afford the bottom 30% of the private rental market in their area. In other words. 70% of rented property in any given area is likely unaffordable for those receiving help with housing costs. I am not sure I agree that landlords are subsidised. To ensure people are not homeless, a private rented sector and help with housing costs is necessary. There is insufficient social housing and this is always likely to be the case.

I can agree that subsidised was not really a fair term,  but if there was a larger social housing sector all rents would be lower as private sector landlords would have to compete with social housing on cost.  Whilst it maybe true that we will always need a private rented sector,  it has grown way too large and the middle classed have taken advantage of the almost guaranteed investment returns available during the housing booms of the 90's and early 2000s.  Resulting in far fewer younger people being able to afford to buy and were therefore forced to rent,  putting rental prices up,  resulting in even bigger returns for those that invested at that time.  Now that the guaranteed return has disappeared those same people who have made vast sums over the last few are wishing to get out and complaining about government policy,  when it was government policy of the 90's and early 2000's that almost solely responsible for those crazy investment returns.  In a normal market house prices would be crashing now but government can't afford to let that happen so I suspect the ambitious house building plans they won't be met as government policy will not be fully enacted as they wished.  I am afraid the country is stuck in a chicken and egg situation and unless a government is able and willing to come in a take some very serious pain in the short term,  then this country will continue to decline.  It seems to me that no party is offering that, least of all the one that seems to have the vote of those at most need to needing it at the  moment. 

19 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

I was looking at how much is spent on housing benefit. Are private landlords making a mint at our expense. Certainly not against people getting help but perhaps private rents are a rip off?

Nearly all of our economic problems stem from the housing crisis,  instigated by Thatcher's right to buy scheme of the 80's and subsequent governments abject failure to provide able housing stock for its citizens.  A very high percentage of our increased benefit costs goes in housing benefit,  most of which goes to subsidise landlords. 

11 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

So it is not fine to hang a flag on your house?  What if it is a Brazilian flag?

It is fine to fly on your house,  as long as do not exceed a certain size.  Rules have been in place for sometime.  As usual the Sun making a fuss over nothing.  

12 hours ago, Leicesterpool said:

Fine now if you decide to fly an England flag on your house. Cant make this up now £2,500 if flag is certain length or basically someone reports if its "spoling neighbourhood" seems like gourvement are trying provoke a reaction everytime.

In English please,  my apologies if it is your second language.

23 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Was the call not for a stabbing?  

No,  the call alleged a racial assault.

On 07/06/2026 at 10:11, filthyfox said:

That was a real copper cock up.

Have seen the bodycam footage and the search of Novac wasnt thorough enough to see if he had a weapon himself, let alone any stab wounds (the wet and sticky test.

Ex filthy copper talking here.  The standard of Police body searching has gone completely downhill.

Going back some time- how the actual **** did that Custody Sergeant get shot?

Are Police too scared ti do their job because of a two-tier racial system?

I dont know; i left in 2003 before it got stupid.

 

I have seen the footage and have said all along that the officers here made mistakes and should clearly have acted more swiftly on the victims cry for help.  I fail to see though where this is evidence of 2 tier policing,  the officers had been notified of a crime being committed and acted on that information in the initial stages as most would have expected them to have done.  I can't comment on the searching aspect as I am not and never have been a copper,  far too stressful for me,  as it is for the vast majority many of whom believe that they would always get it right no matter how difficult the situation they found themselves in.  I see nothing in the video that suggests the officers were not dong their best,  unfortunately that is sometimes not good enough in terms of consequences,  as we have all found in our working and home life I am sure.  

8 hours ago, Leeds Fox said:

 

So if the actions of someone who’s been stabbed match those of someone who’s intoxicated… and the person is laying down, in distress, claiming they’ve been stabbed multiple times and saying they can’t breathe, it would be fair to assume they may well have being stabbed. No?

Possibly but it is also not unknown for offenders to claim they have been stabbed when they haven't.  

17 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

No I didn't say the police were racist, I said they assumed Henry had been racist on the say so of Digwa and his family. They turned up to the scene and immediately handcuffed a young man who was on the floor clearly in distress based on what? Its not like he was even resisting arrest on the count of him being on the floor bleeding out. But the safe option for the officers is to arrest the white man on the say so of the Sikh men

 

To tell him "I don't think you have mate" when he's repeatedly telling them his been stabbed is gut wrenching

 

Other witnesses also confirmed to the officers that he'd been stabbed but they didn't seem as concerned about that little part

 

 

My apologies jumped  in too quick on the racism accusation.  However this also has no relationship to race at all,  in this case the perpetrator phoned in to allege an offence had taken place,  it is irrelevant what offence that was,  when corroborated by others on the scene,  it would not be unusual for officers to attempt an arrest.   It looked to me in those early stagers that he was resisting arrest and was acting as if intoxicated,  not unusual in stabbing cases.  

Where I do agree is that the officers were way to slow to recognise the man was in real distress.   I would suggest you read the summing up of the judge if you want to get a balanced view of the actions of the officers involved,  after all he has heard and seen all the evidence,  we have not.  

15 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Imagine being that lads family members having to watch the footage of how he was "treated" by those officers. It put knots in my stomach watching it and I've never met the kid. To abandon your duty of care of anyone on the presumption of racism (from one person's say so) is deplorable and quite frankly they've failed that young man and his family

There was evidence passed to them by their control room that a criminal offence had taken place and on arrival at the scene other witnesses confirmed that.  Where is the edence that this has anything to do with racism except through your blinkered lens. I don't disagree that this was poor policing but racism??,  I don't think so from what I saw (except perhaps on the part of the perpetrator).  

34 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Early days for a lot of the statistics pertaining for the new policy changes

Fair comment, but perhaps we should wait for those to come out before drawing conclusions based on one tragic incident.  

7 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

This is why I agree with Kemi Badenoch when she said there has been an overcorrection in policy by Police in particular. This is the issue currently. 

While there is clearly a perception of that around,   the statistics around the criminal justice system do not back it up,  quite the opposite in fact. 

30 minutes ago, bovril said:

There was (and still is) loads of stuff in the media and in wider discourse about the pernicious effects of 'whiteness' and how white people were automatically privileged by a system that needed dismantling. People were being asked at their work places how they were intending to address their white privilege. It was all very stupid and unhelpful.

Really,  while I can't say I have seen nothing on white privilege to say it was all over the media is somewhat of an exaggeration,  but guess if you are looking for it there will be plenty on social media as there is on nearly any subject.  Never once have I been asked to address my white privilege.  

4 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I absolutely agree. However, it did at times seem the entire western worlds white population were vilified following the George Floyd incident. The world had lost it's collective head during those covid times and the consequences are still being felt.

Only racists were being vilified,  I am afraid to say that if you could not see that then if the cap fits. 

49 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Something has really gone wrong if that's the case.

 

I don't agree that it was a chaotic situation. They would've been in far greater pressure situations. 

 

I don't want to hear about lessons being learned. How many lessons do they need?

The person who listened to all the evidence and has vast experience of the judicial system does not agree with you. 

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

The murderer wasn't put in handcuffs at any point when being taken to the police station despite what became clearly evident. Once there, he was even allowed into the kitchen to choose his food. No idea if this is routine practice for all. Henry's Father's statement references the 'unbearable' contrast with the treatment given to his son. This has to be the catalyst for change.

 

The investigation, including IOPC, report has to determine if a member of the public is being presumed guilty if they have been accused of racism. Kemi is right. Enough of this.

I'll wager that whenever the police recieve a report of a crime and treat it as an emergency that the caller is believed and that the accused is not.  Clearly lessons need to be learned but this was a chaotic situation and police had difficulty decisions to make under pressure and with limited information.  

2 hours ago, Stevosevic said:

As someone else has said, it is political manipulation over a long period of time that meant the police officers automatically sided with the minority in fear of being called racist, as opposed to being impartial and doing their job. 

You of course have evidence for that.  You might like to read the Judge's summing up who was clearly sympathetic to the predicament the police found themselves in.    

4 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said:

So if i have a doctors appointment on the 15th is it now cancelled? 

Unlikely,  it is only resident doctors who are striking

5 hours ago, davieG said:

I've never voted for Labour, tory or LibDems. I've always looked for the most appropriate Independent Candidate and will continue to do so until we get a proper and fairer voting system.

 

I guess that would be deemed wrong to some.

While I am.all for a fairer voting system I am struggling to understand how voting independent will progress that wish. 

2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Labour have also massively blown their chance, mostly by looking incompetent, but also because they failed to deliver the reforms needed to pay for the spending they committed to.

While I agree to an extent that labour have been disappointing, should have been much bolder in my view even if that had pissed people off. Love to know what reforms you think were require, given that the Tories had spent 14 years reforming the public sector under the guise of austerity, and look how that worked out. 

2 hours ago, Parafox said:

I give you... PPE. The prime example of ripping off.

Yes, because the very checks and balances that cause the beaucracy that people conplain of was completly ignored.