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Don't make it right though does it? So, the DUP can change it's mind (sorry, be "influenced"... with money) but the country can't? That decision is set in stone seemingly.

Conservative Party values.

Is it just me or does anyone else find this just a little bit, well, grubby? I don't know who I feel the more sickened by, the Govt or the DUP. Perhaps they deserve each other.

You get the impression that Rodgers will use Wes in that kind of a role; very much horses (or should that be donkeys ) for courses. There are certain roles in which Wes will thrive. Yesterday was one such and he rose, for the most part, to the occasion. I'll not knock him for his performance yesterday but I wouldn't expect that from him week in, week out when different formations we confront will expose his weaknesses (which, let's be fair, every player has) Rodgers knows this and so does Wes I expect.

I tink it is becoming more difficult to find streams. I'm beginning to accept that, one day, I will not find one at all. Just hope it's a while off yet.

I've nothing to add to the debate, I just wanted to say thanks to @Finnegan for some incredibly informative posts. I feel crept up on. I knew of gamers but had an incredibly limited definition it seems. I knew generally of sub-cultures, of internet trolls and shitposting, even of 4chan and 8chan. What I didn't realise was the submerged depth (iceberg like) of the network, its inter-connectivity of various groups whose perhaps soul point in common was a desire to get a reaction through disruption. The referencing of shared memes and tropes just enhancing the sense of common aims. I feel I'm minimising or trivialising with those words, that's not my intention - it's fvcking frightening. Finnegan's given me a 101, a primer. I can't grasp the enormity of it, nor (evidently!) even understand it, but I can see that it is there.

She's trying to sell it to the DUP as we speak (well, type)

There's a ping pong bar in Amsterdam? Cool. Where is it? The one in Paris is gaining popularity..... http://gossima.fr/

So <conspiracy mode> a Messi v Ronaldo final still alive, now there's a surprise</conspiracy mode>

I often wonder if 'true evil' exists as opposed to some kind of psychosis or somesuch. Incidents like this tells me it does.

Utterly appalling.

Thoroughly enjoyed the Arsenal v Rennes game. Scrappy, niggley and hard fought (I was surprised no one was red carded) but high energy stuff.

My own belief is that the EU would prefer a long extension over a short, "technical" one so are more likely to push the UK that way. MPs who are feeling 'forced' to vote for May's deal (rather than risk no deal) will feel there's an escape route. A long extension IS kicking the can down the road, way down the road, and it does open the scope for a 2nd referendum, but it is the singularly most sensible option given the situation the UK is in. I feel sorry for my Brexit voting chums but I reckon May's fvcked it up. I don't think you're getting Brexit just yet, if at all. If May had tried a cross party, collaborative approach from day 1 then she might have got it over the line. By owning it herself and keeping it under wraps until the last possible moment, and then trying to force it through with threats and bribes, she's ruffled too many feathers.

Oh yes he does!

I reckon 'long extension' is probably leading the pack at the moment.

Darn! Chris Bryant has decided to not move his amendment. I was looking forward to that one. This evening's not been as much fun as last night... yet.

I had to google Dicey. Should I have voted to leave?

That's not quite true, I've just received an email asking me to offer my endorsement to it. May's getting desperate methinks.

...and has allowed Wollaston's one that is effectively FOR a 2nd referendum. The only thing I can think is that Wollaston's amendment is phrased in terms of today's business (that is, A50 extension... to Costock.... sorry, couldn't resist ) and the ERG one goes straight for the throat. Moot anyway, it's not the right time to be discussing a 2nd referendum and Wollaston will be defeated.

Another interpretation of MV3 might be 'are we nearly there yet?'... when in fact the car is still going around the ring road. A couple of interesting amendments (imho anyway) on the table; 1) Sarah Wollaston's amendment for a second referendum, and 2) Chris Bryant’s saying May can't put her deal to the Commons again (as I mentioned upstream as being something the speaker can do) I think both will be defeated comfortably; I don't think we're "there yet" for the Wollaston one, and Bryant's is just, well, churlish! BUT they'll be interesting indicators as to the swell of the house (to re-use my earlier metaphor) IF, that is, I can trust MPs to vote in an honest and open way.... which they probably don't.

Credit where it's due though, May is a tireless trier. Some managers would want her in their midfield. Not perhaps particularly creative but industrious, methodical and efficient. I'm trying to think of a comparison but at the same time not wanting to entertain the question!

Right here....

By my understanding, party loyalties and whips aside, it's a clean slate. MPs simply vote again as if it were a new question asked for the first time. IF the speaker allows the same motion to be moved again that is. Apparently, the speaker is within their rights to refuse the re-tabling of the same motion. I don't think Bercow would exercise that right though, there'd be uproar!

Certain folk are trying to get Cox to broaden his advice and include reference to article 62 of the Vienna Convention (which Cox dismissed yesterday). So, in answer to your question, no not really. May's deal will be represented as is. May probably thinking that minds will be changed after becoming more 'focused' or somesuch.

Tusk tweeting that he will appeal to the EU27 to offer a "long" extension, if one is requested. That makes sense to me. There's clearly no appetite for what's on offer at the moment so a long extension gives the UK a chance to work out what it will support. Edit: it'll also lessen the pressure on MPs who may be feeling forced into choosing between 2 options they don't like; i.e. no deal or May's deal.