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3 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I really can't understand where fans are getting this idea from that playing a weakened side for 75 mins is somehow a better strategy than purposely not playing your best players then bringing them on late?

We had a poor game all around, tonight was a write off, that doesn't make Cooper right over constantly playing Ayew over Fatawu, or playing Justin over Ricardo. 

On the evidence of tonight, it doesn't make him wrong either. 

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

not really the point is it? we didn't have one on the bench tonight, the point is that, accepting daka is injured, we've got 24 senior players plus youth teamers, at least 4 senior players miss out each week

I don't really understand your point, I don't think you do either.

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

we've got a full squad. Today was the first time Thomas has appeared in a squad, Vestegaard hasn't been seen for months (he's not actually injured), Kasey Mac is in the doghouse for something (Ayew and Reid offer nothing he doesn't). we're not so threadbare that a player not even trying in training still makes the squad 

Are any of those players right backs?

1 minute ago, CloudFox said:

No . Worst result, yes, for obvious reasons. But worst performance? No. First half we played reasonably well except for 3 successive errors in one sequence that lead to a goal. Second half really poor though.

 

Compare that to most of our other games, where it's tricky to even find a half of football you could be proud of!

Righto mate,  whatever makes you happy.

Just now, Suzie the Fox said:

Without looking at the stats i cant answer and i was just going on the 1st half, 2nd half we were doggo. Maybe someone will post stats? but honestly the 1st 25mins we looked a better side than we have done all season (imo) and i wasnt hiding behind the couch watching.

The first half was better obviously,  but I'd guess, and I don't know, that Forest would have shaded all the stats.

Just now, The Doctor said:

if that were the case he wouldn't have even been on the bench

Who would you have put on the bench instead?

Just now, Bert said:

Should we have had a pen? I was at the back at the other end of the ground so have no idea if it was a legit shout or not. 

Looked a pen to me.

Just now, The Doctor said:

he'd have been fit if Cooper wasn't a completely useless manager who refused to bring him on for a single minute prior to today. man completely failed to manage his squad for the first two months, repeatedly leaving his first subs until second half stoppage time. unsurprising those that are being mismanaged in terms of minutes then look rusty.

Alternative theory, Ricardo hasn't been picked because he hasn't been good enough in training?

2 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

The difference for me tonight was we actually started the game and looked like we had a plan. We wernt so squew whiffy, lobsided. We actually controlled the game (at least at the very start) which i dont think we have done all season? 2nd half different matter. 

 

How many chances did Forest have while we're controlling the game?

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

yep, because there was no other option to keep him match fit. not like he'd been on the bench every single game thus far...

You're going to have to be less subtle, that makes no sense to me.

Just now, Bert said:

Can anyone with half a brain understand why Ricardo might be a little bit rusty? 

Let's lose 3 games on the trot while he's getting up to speed.

2 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

You think that was honestly our worst performance of the season?

Don't you?

Just now, AKCJ said:

 

So this was all Steve Cooper proving a point? Get out of his hole.

No, just that he was doing okay doing it his way. You got the team you wanted and it was crap. " Why isn't Ricardo/ Fatawu starting?!" Maybe now we know.

Just now, CloudFox said:

 

 

 

 

 

Folks, a manager can select the right personnel but still not make an impact as a coach during the game.

 

The defending was abysmal by the players, and that is on them, primarily. The lack of a clear press for most of the game was baffling, however, and I am struggling to comprehend what the plan was after half time for us to havs a) played like that and b) responded to Forest's changes in approach. Those aspects are on the coach. They aren't the reason we lost the game, but they certainly don't help.

 

Even after that, I still think that is our strongest 11, barring maybe JJ/Kristiansen. But probably not.

 

The loss is on the players primarily, but they doesn't give you an "I told you so" I'm afraid. Put it back in ice, deary me.

Our strongest 11 that gave our worse performance?

Just now, AKCJ said:

How has Cooper proved anyone wrong?

 

the bloke couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

When "coward Cooper" was playing his uber negative tactics and not picking certain players he was picking up points. You all got the team you were demanding and it was a disaster. Maybe just assume you don't know best?

1 minute ago, westernpark said:

He chose the team.

He chose the team against Southampton and was still slaged off.

The fact that Forest played Monday could mean they tire second half ( I hope).

19 minutes ago, jv1 said:

 it’s crap and everyone can stop bloody moaning and let him get on with managing the team 

Yeah, that'll happen.

6 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Exactly that means the Championship in 23/24 was stronger. 

Or our team was weaker? We'll have to agree to disagree.

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

Teams strengthen. Ipswich came up from League 1 and performed well. Hull were heavily backed with a number of Premier League loanees. West Brom settled and Norwich improved (to the point their best player is now playing in the Champions League). Wednesday become mid-through the season a really interesting tactically clever team. 

Plymouth who just avoided relegation beat the league leaders, as did Milwall  . Could be argued that the also rans were stronger. We can argue all sorts of silly things to prove our points. Fact is they did better than us.

6 minutes ago, mancunianfox said:

No Ipswich either to be fair, we were definitely under more pressure in the last third of the season than Burnley were. We should still have got more points than them though...

A team just promoted from league 1? Cooper won't forgiven if we don't beat them

4 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

I didn’t realise 4 points equates to quite a few more points.

Fair enough, I thought it was more but I couldn't be arsed to check.

F act is they did better than us, so the the evidence that we had a better team/ manager isn't there.