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To be fair to Hamza, that'll happen when you've had 17 pints.

It's a difficult one with Kingy. He was with us for years, scoring goals for fun and got promoted through the leagues. On paper, undoubtedly a club legend. I think where the waters are muddied is that as a character, he comes across as one of life's Gareth Southgates. Nothing wrong with that, but he's a very unremarkable personality. Should that matter? Probably not. I feel if he had the personality of Vardy this wouldn't even be a debate.

We're absolutely fine. If we start mucking up against poor opposition I'll start to get worried. Our conceding of late goals is a real issue, but it's only really been punished by good sides. It's more a worry for next season in my opinion. Coventry away is probably the hardest fixture there is at the moment, and we went down to 10 men there and had a shot at 3 points. We should've beaten 2nd in the league but for a poor end to the game / not taking chances. We're still far too good for the majority of teams we'll play. To be honest I think the squad knows this and against the better teams, that little drop off due to complacency can be all the difference.

Was more referencing tweets such as not feeling sorry for suicidal people. The guy clearly has no thought for other people, which aligns quite nicely with knowingly driving over the limit. If you want to toe the 'innocent until proven guilty' line, that's fine, but it looks really quite unlikely.

I just don't think you're going to get more information, and it isn't a leap to expect the worst.

I think @MPH is attempting to excuse him on the assumption that it's possible Hamza may have unknowingly teetered over the edge. Unknowingly is the key word. Most sensible people know to just not entertain the idea of any drink driving, or perhaps cap it a pint. Others believe (incorrectly), that they can remain below the limit at levels that are actually above the limit. Perhaps this is after 3 drinks, or 2 quick drinks. It'll vary. If this were the case, Hamza would be stupid. Stupid, but perhaps not deserving of widespread disdain and condemning. Killing somebody by catching somebody while waving a knife about is a little different from full on going for someone. Both are ridiculous, but the judgement and punishment would vary and it comes down to intent / awareness. However, given his rap sheet, and given the charge of dangerous driving, I think it's safe to assume that the above set of circumstances do not apply. And even if they did, I'd have less sympathy for a footballer who should know better. Not because we hold them to higher standards, but because he has the luxury of very easily paying for alternative transport. You'd just get a taxi, wouldn't you? Irrelevant though. We literally know he was driving badly. And you wouldn't refuse to co-operate (at least when back at the station), unless you were fairly certain that you were over the limit. I don't know why anyone would defend him.

Don't believe everything you read. Too much noise and confidence from top sources for this to not go through in my book.