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I was listening to the radio this morning after dropping my son off at school and they had John Parrott on. Until I heard him speak I (like you) had assumed that Dyche would probably keep them up, but he was so scathing about the how bad Everton are that it made me think they really might be in trouble. He reckons their squad is the worst one they've had in years. I'm not sure that sacking Dyche will improve their prospects either...

Given that most of our fanbase won't have heard of him, I'm not sure how many tickets will be shifted by rumours of his involvement.

If Monga is really off and it has all been agreed, why is the club going out of its way to promote him on social media ahead of the Saturday's game? Why would it go out of its way to big up a player who it knows will be off soon?

I think you may well be correct.

What would be the advantage of briefing a journalist that it's very close if in fact it was massive? The truth will come out very soon either way. The 'PR damage control' would last for just a few days before completely disintegrating. There's no sense in it. No, we're not waiting on a 'blind vote', but it's nowhere near as black and white as you describe. There are different interpretations of what counts as an allowable loss (ie, outside the scope of PSR) and what doesn't. Then of course there's the issue of whether the £83m or the £105m limit applies. I suspect the club's position is that we haven't breached and that the PL is arguing that we have, and another legal battle is heading our way to sort it out (unless of course it's already been settled but the outcome has not been revealed). Irrespective, given that none of the experts are predicting a massive breach, I'll be very surprised if that turns out to be the case.

If it's close, how can we have 'breached massively'?

No they can't. If it turns out we've breached by a small amount and end up getting a relatively low points deduction, I've no doubt fans of other clubs will be screaming that we should have been hit harder because we 'got away with it last time'. But thankfully the outcome will be determined according to the rules, not according to the PL's feelings toward us.

This is correct. I've lost count of how many times I've read claims on social media that we're hypocrites because we 'voted for the rules', but it's complete bollocks. We did NOT vote for PSR.

I've been offline this morning and only just read the Percy article. Given how much comment it has generated, I was surprised at how little new information there was it. Percy clearly does not know whether we've breached or not - in fact he admits that the only people who know are the club and the PL. Given everything I've read over the past few days, my best guess is that our PSR loss for 2021/24 was somewhere between £83m and £105m, and the club and the FA are locked in a legal battle over which threshold should apply. If the PL wins that argument and the limit applied is £83m, I reckon we'll argue that we deserve a lower points deduction than Forest and Everton received because our loss will be lower. The PL may want to make an example of us, but whether they're able to is another matter entirely, especially as the punishment is determined by an independent legal panel.

Edited in light of Tanner’s amendment.

I don’t think it’s a typo. I think that’s what Tanner believes.

Who knows? Either way, I’m bracing myself for a PL statement on Monday announcing that we’ve been charged with a PSR breach, followed swiftly by a belligerently-worded press release from the club vowing to fight it.

The Mercury has finally picked up the story. The good news: the article claims that the sale of KDH will count towards the 2021-24 revenue. The not so good news: it reckons our allowable losses for the period will be £83m, not £105m. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-ruud-van-nistelrooy-wants-9846388

This is my suspicion too.

Still no mention of any of this on the Mercury website. And given that these days the Mercury will publish any old bit of baseless tittle tattle for clicks, its complete silence on an issue that may genuinely have a major impact on our season is somewhat surprising.

My only niggling doubt about the KDH transfer is that I seem to recall it being reported at the time that the transfer went through on the 1st or 2nd of July but that the club 'should' have been able to include it in 2023/24 because we'd agreed a deal with Chelsea (and could prove it) before 30 June. My worry - possibly baseless - is that because the transfer went through after 30 June, our right to include it within 2023/24 was entirely at the discretion of the PL - ie, they weren't compelled by the rules to give us that flexibility. Because if we were dependent on the PL's good will for KDH's transfer to be included within 2023/24, then....well, I think we all know what the outcome will be.

Obviously I don't know any more than anybody else, but it won't surprise me at all if we find out on Monday we've been charged with breaching PSR. If so I've n doubt we will exhaust every legal avenue available to challenge it, but the possibility remains that we will get a deduction this season. If so, we'll likely need to accumulate 40+ points to survive - doable, but only if Ruud turns things around. Quickly.

Well we'd best hope we've got a couple of cracking overseas loans lined up because I have a feeling we'll need 5-6 more points to survive than we thought...

And yet the silence on this issue from the journalists who actually follow Leicester is becoming a little.....deafening. The club will of course be fully aware that it is being claimed in the national media that we are in breach again, as will the likes of Owynn Palmer-Atkin, Jordan Blackwell, John Percy, Rob Tanner, Rob Dorsett, Jason Bourne, etc. Any false rumour that we're in trouble with PSR could seriously damage us in the transfer market, so you'd think the club would get on the phone to one of these friendly journos to put the record straight as soon as possible. But none of them (as far as I can tell) are talking about it publicly. It's just a little odd.

He isn't in a position to confirm. He doesn't work for the club or the PL and hasn't seen the accounts. So how can he possibly 'confirm' anything?

So he's just reiterated what he said last week? In other words, his opinion that we've breached is not based on any inside knowledge but rather on his own calculations (which he made without having seen our accounts). Did he refer again to the fact that the club is apparently very confident that it hasn't breached? It's time a local journalist got onto this. It's being discussed widely at a national level but the Mercury/Radio Leicester don't seem to want to touch it with a barge pole. Have they been warned off by the club?!

He's mentioned that club is very confident but expressed surprise at this because, according to his own calculations, we're likely to have breached. He hasn't seen our accounts and has no idea why the club is apparently so confident - it just doesn't sound right to him. That's as far as his analysis goes.

Thankfully the outcomes of these cases are determined by independent legal panels, not the Premier League.

Indeed. But as far as the law is concerned we didn't do anything wrong. You can't punish somebody more severely because you tried to prosecute them before but failed. If we are in breach, it will be our first offence.

I had a glance at the Everton forum. They seem convinced it's us and that we'll get a massive deduction because it's our 'second offence' - apparently ignorant of the fact that it would only be our second offence if the PL were able to pin anything on us last time. I mean, you'd think up there they'd have a bit more knowledge of how the law works...