Was it worth it

[Thracian]

Once again, we did this on Saturday, we don't do it every away game. On occasions it will be better if we ensure we do not lose games. The team is VERY MUCH in it's early stages of forming and until the various members of the squad mold into a TEAM it will be better if we do not open ourselves up to potential dickings.

If you want to watch all out attacking football I'm afraid I'm struggling to recommend a team you can go and support because I don't know of one that always plays without concern for whether they concede goals or not.

This squad, the team, the managers and the club are in the embrionic stages of rebuilding and I can only see there being good things happening at this club (relative to our club budget) if we let the evolution continue.

IF you want to go back to years of the club being held to ransom by journeyman footballers demanding high wages with little or no plan for our future then continue to moan, boo or hound the management of LCFC who I firmly believe are taking this club in the right direction.

This is not going to be a season of glory but I'm sure that we will be developing and improving as a team, ready to push forward in the next couple of years.

Don't exagerate what I've been trying to get over. I've never suggested we don't play with defenders. I've said that Levein should be as committed to attack as he is obviously committed to defence and should try to win games by scoring goals.

People keep telling me Saturday was one off and I've been answering but it doesn't matter. I HOPE he will be too ashamed to try such negative, insulting, unnecessary and unproductive tactics again cos it was two points lost, a few spectators lost and a shameful advertisment for the game.

Once is too often for me...but Cardiff was just as bad in its way. If Levein really wants to be a success at this club and to make a name for himself that we are proud of then he'd better start using a bit more imagination, a bit more adventure and start cutting out the word surrender from his vocubulary.

Cos that's what it was at Cardiff and Wolves. A surrender of all but the most basic ambition.

"Foxes Never Quit" was a nice ideal and at times it has represented the club's psyche but on Saturday is was mocked cos we never started in any meaningful sense.

[Thracian]

Once again, we did this on Saturday, we don't do it every away game. On occasions it will be better if we ensure we do not lose games. The team is VERY MUCH in it's early stages of forming and until the various members of the squad mold into a TEAM it will be better if we do not open ourselves up to potential dickings.

If you want to watch all out attacking football I'm afraid I'm struggling to recommend a team you can go and support because I don't know of one that always plays without concern for whether they concede goals or not.

This squad, the team, the managers and the club are in the embrionic stages of rebuilding and I can only see there being good things happening at this club (relative to our club budget) if we let the evolution continue.

IF you want to go back to years of the club being held to ransom by journeyman footballers demanding high wages with little or no plan for our future then continue to moan, boo or hound the management of LCFC who I firmly believe are taking this club in the right direction.

This is not going to be a season of glory but I'm sure that we will be developing and improving as a team, ready to push forward in the next couple of years.

There you go - a tarred in the brush City fan. Pessimism in capital letters "This is not going to be a season of glory". Why the hell not? What have you seen from any of the Championship football teams to suggest we can't beat any of them?

We won't beat em settling for draws but there's not a single side that is anything special so winning is going to be about attitude, endeavour, self-belief, having a go and making our own luck instead of conceding it without a whisper.

Winning or otherwise this season is not going to be about wonderful skills from what I've seen. It is going to be about character and imposing your will on the League. Let's make opponents worry about us instead of sneaking into our opponents ground like a gang of petty thieves to pinch a f.....g point.

[Blue Arrow]

IN the old days high scoring games like 5-1 were common. (Not that i was alive )

But from what ive seen a few years after '66 the concept of 'defensive football' was intoduced - From then scoring rates have more than halfed in an average game

[Thracian]

IN the old days high scoring games like 5-1 were common. (Not that i was alive )

But from what ive seen a few years after '66 the concept of 'defensive football' was intoduced - From then scoring rates have more than halfed in an average game

I think Sir Alf Ramsey played possession football with purpose. Four goals in a final is not too defensive but one of his main strengths was that all his players knew their position and what their job was and they also had an extremely strong team ethic.

I rather think "defensive" started to creep in after a guy called Allen Wade published a coaching manual which became the establishment's coaching bible and was all about playing in triangles and using these (and other means) to by-pass opponents rather than dribbling past them.

Gradually after this, there were fewer traditional wingers because they were risk players who tried to beat opponents indivudally and, if they failed, it put their own side under pressure.

In the 60's with 2-3-5 virtually all the teams had traditional "dribbling" wingers.

[Ric Flair]

Thracian answer me this.

Leicester haven't won an away league game for nearly 11 months. In those 11 months Leicester have played 4-5-1 once, the rest of the time they have played exactly the same formation as they do at home but haven't managed to win. What is the point in keeping things the same if your not winning? Infact your giving away cheap goals and leaving the stadium frustrated because you've lost another 3 points. What is the alternative? Change the system we play, try and frustrate the other team and pinch a goal on the counter attack like we used to do under Martin O'Neill.

Ok, we didn't pinch a goal and we still haven't won away for 11 months but we didn't lose and we kept a clean sheet. 4-5-1 should be banned from football, but as it isn't and as we were in desperate need of changing things I don't see it as such a bad thing.

I think your going over the top, some of your requests for Leicester are unrealistic. We've played 4-5-1 opnce, yes ONCE. I don't think it warrants thread after thread discussing how abysmal it is. Although if we continue to play that way then I could understand the frustration and anger fans might have.

We have another 2 home games coming up before our next away game and i'm sure there won't be any hint of a 4-5-1 in those games. Infact if we win the next 2 games and go in to the Derby game full of confidence and get that first elusive win away from home it could be a whole different story and we might push on and perform exactly how you want us to. You could then argue that the 4-5-1 display at Wolves was the catalyst for our change in fortunes.

Obviously the above is all hypothetical just like your being by saying we'll never get anywhere playing 4-5-1, but as we've only used it once your jumping the gun abit.

If I were you Thracian, i'd just relax and see what happens. You make alot of sense and I enjoy reading your posts but the past week or so you've got wound up and it's effecting your judgement.

[Thracian]

Thracian answer me this.

Leicester haven't won an away league game for nearly 11 months. In those 11 months Leicester have played 4-5-1 once, the rest of the time they have played exactly the same formation as they do at home but haven't managed to win. What is the point in keeping things the same if your not winning? Infact your giving away cheap goals and leaving the stadium frustrated because you've lost another 3 points. What is the alternative? Change the system we play, try and frustrate the other team and pinch a goal on the counter attack like we used to do under Martin O'Neill.

Ok, we didn't pinch a goal and we still haven't won away for 11 months but we didn't lose and we kept a clean sheet. 4-5-1 should be banned from football, but as it isn't and as we were in desperate need of changing things I don't see it as such a bad thing.

I think your going over the top, some of your requests for Leicester are unrealistic. We've played 4-5-1 opnce, yes ONCE. I don't think it warrants thread after thread discussing how abysmal it is. Although if we continue to play that way then I could understand the frustration and anger fans might have.

We have another 2 home games coming up before our next away game and i'm sure there won't be any hint of a 4-5-1 in those games. Infact if we win the next 2 games and go in to the Derby game full of confidence and get that first elusive win away from home it could be a whole different story and we might push on and perform exactly how you want us to. You could then argue that the 4-5-1 display at Wolves was the catalyst for our change in fortunes.

Obviously the above is all hypothetical just like your being by saying we'll never get anywhere playing 4-5-1, but as we've only used it once your jumping the gun abit.

If I were you Thracian, i'd just relax and see what happens. You make alot of sense and I enjoy reading your posts but the past week or so you've got wound up and it's effecting your judgement.

Of course I got wound up. I'm glad I got wound up cos I don't want to listen to a football match like I'm tuning in to The Archers or The Epilogue.

I got wound up cos I can't believe we (voluntarily!) did that. For all your good reasoning I can find no excuse for it. I never, ever want it to happen again. EEUUGH!!!!!

I accept we didn't play 4-5-1 in other away matches but we always seem half-hearted attackers away from home rather than COMMITTED. There's never quite enough support for the forwards and our forwards need support. You can see the evidence by the lack of goals from midfield and from the flanks.

It is one of the main reasons I believe Sheehan should play. He is not only a good defender but an accomplished and natural left-footer going forward. We've won the last two games he played in, three if you count the reserves and conceded one goal altogether. Nils is nothing like as good in my view (certainly at left back).

Sheehan (away from home) would mean you would not suffer too much, attacking wise, by not having a natural left winger - and you'd have the best dead ball specialist in the side which would be valuable cos I accept you would probably have to play with more discipline away and less abandon.

But attacks should still be made in numbers and with conviction. With three points for a win what have we really got to lose?. One win equals three draws. It makes sense, surely, to REALLY try to win.

PS I'd have been calmer and much happier now (after last night's cavaliering football) if that forum journalist hadn't wound me up again by calling Levein the worst manager we'd had for a decade. I couldn't wear that, could I?.

[cisono]

IN the old days high scoring games like 5-1 were common. (Not that i was alive )

But from what ive seen a few years after '66 the concept of 'defensive football' was intoduced - From then scoring rates have more than halfed in an average game

Apparently, Aston Villa forgot about that last night

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