Craig`s future with city

[lush]

His leadership qualities? If everybody played with the enthusiasm and passion as Gudjonsson did we'd be alot better off. Simple

As for Wesolowski he's one of the best young prospects i've ever seen at this club and I think Gudjonsson has raised his game bacause of this. He knows his place is under pressure and he's been given a chance with Weso's injury and he's taking it.

Look mate we can argue about Joey all day long, but he has been our most consistent player. If you want to know what the rest of the fans think have a look at the player ratings they make each week. Gudjonsson is nailed on for one of the highest averages.

Tiatto (for all his faults) plays with the most enthusiasm. Enthusiasm is needed, but it doesnt "make" a player. Joey`s enthusiasm is neither here na there. If your going to equate an excellent players leadership qualities on enthusiasm alone, well words cannot describe how poorly your argument for joey now stands.

What does it say about joey`s ability, that an injured 17 year old has forced joey to "raise his game".

Hes definately consistent, i`ll give you that. That might be his problem, hes not being pushed to raise his game, or he hasnt the ability to do so, i think the latter, because craigs had 11 months to rule over him with little improvement.

[Sir JJ Wilcox]

well theres only Joey and Nisse that have played all 13 games this season and Joey hasn't been particulary crap in any of these games so i'd say this is consistant.

[lush]

well theres only Joey and Nisse that have played all 13 games this season and Joey hasn't been particulary crap in any of these games so i'd say this is consistant.

I said i agree hes consistent, but like Ric failed to explain his excellent ability in that holding role.

This is part of the problem for me why city arnt doing so well. Joey doesnt have that leadership qualities a player in his position SHOULD have. He plays a seriously important part of any team, and hes not up to it. I`d like to see maybury play the holding role. I think maybury`s got natural ability to tackle, has great distribution skills, is of an age to lead a team, and hes got a brain. Hes never scared to go forward, supports well and can score (2 goals as RB last season).

We can then play stearman at RB, lovely juberly.

[Sir JJ Wilcox]

I'd prefer stearman at holding midfield than maybury but i still wouldn't do it. Has maybury shown leadership qualities then a leader shows by example and Mayburys example on saturday should never be repeated.

[Ric Flair]

Tiatto (for all his faults) plays with the most enthusiasm. Enthusiasm is needed, but it doesnt "make" a player. Joey`s enthusiasm is neither here na there. If your going to equate an excellent players leadership qualities on enthusiasm alone, well words cannot describe how poorly your argument for joey now stands.

What does it say about joey`s ability, that an injured 17 year old has forced joey to "raise his game".

Hes definately consistent, i`ll give you that. That might be his problem, hes not being pushed to raise his game, or he hasnt the ability to do so, i think the latter, because craigs had 11 months to rule over him with little improvement.

What does it say about Joey's ability? Probably alot more than Hughes and Williams who haven't seemed to raise their game since Wesolowski's injury. Both of them know their place is under threat when Weso comes back, Tim Davies even said so. He said that Wesolowski was pencilled in for a starting spot and Williams and Hughes were running scared. Well they are hardly showing it, atleast Gudjonsson is raising his game.

Real Betis paid £3 million for Joey Gudjonsson, which is unheard of for an unknown Icelandic player. I know he didn't set the world on fire there, but surely he was highly coveted to pay that much for him? I know players go for well over the odds in this country, but abroad it doesn't seem so excessive.

You haven't answered my question as to why Gudjonsson is getting one of the higest ratings this season from the fans who attend the matches?

[Ric Flair]

I said i agree hes consistent, but like Ric failed to explain his excellent ability in that holding role.

This is part of the problem for me why city arnt doing so well. Joey doesnt have that leadership qualities a player in his position SHOULD have. He plays a seriously important part of any team, and hes not up to it. I`d like to see maybury play the holding role. I think maybury`s got natural ability to tackle, has great distribution skills, is of an age to lead a team, and hes got a brain. Hes never scared to go forward, supports well and can score (2 goals as RB last season).

We can then play stearman at RB, lovely juberly.

I think you've just answered all the questions I need from you, a right back in the holding role. Nuff said.

[Thracian]

Tiatto (for all his faults) plays with the most enthusiasm. Enthusiasm is needed, but it doesnt "make" a player. Joey`s enthusiasm is neither here na there. If your going to equate an excellent players leadership qualities on enthusiasm alone, well words cannot describe how poorly your argument for joey now stands.

What does it say about joey`s ability, that an injured 17 year old has forced joey to "raise his game".

Hes definately consistent, i`ll give you that. That might be his problem, hes not being pushed to raise his game, or he hasnt the ability to do so, i think the latter, because craigs had 11 months to rule over him with little improvement.

We have a generally excellent defensive record this season - and consistently excellent at that, and Joey is one of the big reasons for that.

Now we play Tiatto too - if Levein could concede nil twice in one match he would.

[lush]

I'd prefer stearman at holding midfield than maybury but i still wouldn't do it. Has maybury shown leadership qualities then a leader shows by example and Mayburys example on saturday should never be repeated.

Stearman doesnt have the age to be a true leader on the pitch. Had there not been the almighty bust up, maybury would probably only got a yellow, it was only 20mins into the game.

[Sir JJ Wilcox]

But your so called leader started the almighty bust up and it was never a yellow card Maybury hit out at an opposing player so deserved to see red.

[lush]

What does it say about Joey's ability? Probably alot more than Hughes and Williams who haven't seemed to raise their game since Wesolowski's injury. Both of them know their place is under threat when Weso comes back, Tim Davies even said so. He said that Wesolowski was pencilled in for a starting spot and Williams and Hughes were running scared. Well they are hardly showing it, atleast Gudjonsson is raising his game.

Real Betis paid £3 million for Joey Gudjonsson, which is unheard of for an unknown Icelandic player. I know he didn't set the world on fire there, but surely he was highly coveted to pay that much for him? I know players go for well over the odds in this country, but abroad it doesn't seem so excessive.

You haven't answered my question as to why Gudjonsson is getting one of the higest ratings this season from the fans who attend the matches?

Whats williams and hughes got to do with how good or bad joey is? Your side stepping the issue, although im not surprised because joey likes passing it sideways

TD said so hey, well theres a much travelled and qualified footballing legend

Whos picking the team here, craig or TD? Is that why were not winning, because TD has influence

Real betis made a fatal error, like peter taylor with akinbadbi.

The fans have opinions, doesnt mean they see the truth. oops, im in for it now I challenge anyone on planet earth to challenge me with joey, flood me with his brilliance in an explanation response?????

We know hes reasonable at tackling, and he can pass sideways, but what else does he bring to the ability playing table?

[lush]

I think you've just answered all the questions I need from you, a right back in the holding role. Nuff said.

Well we currently have a bench player there are you seriously going to argue the case of joey in the holding role ahead of maybury, you`ve NO chance.

[lush]

We have a generally excellent defensive record this season - and consistently excellent at that, and Joey is one of the big reasons for that.

Now we play Tiatto too - if Levein could concede nil twice in one match he would.

Maybe if we had someone (maybury) of the defensive contribution that joey has, and with better leadership qualities and more dynamic ability to produce something in attack, we might win 1-0 v brighton.

its a game of 2 nil nil halfs Thrach

[lush]

But your so called leader started the almighty bust up and it was never a yellow card Maybury hit out at an opposing player so deserved to see red.

And tiatto didnt get a red last night because...maybury`s red card was the refs interpretation. Do you honestly think, that after 15/20 mins that challege was a cert red? Your having a larf. And do you honestly think that that red card interpretation describes mayburys style of play, come on.

[Ric Flair]

Whats williams and hughes got to do with how good or bad joey is? Your side stepping the issue, although im not surprised because joey likes passing it sideways

TD said so hey, well theres a much travelled and qualified footballing legend

Whos picking the team here, craig or TD? Is that why were not winning, because TD has influence

Real betis made a fatal error, like peter taylor with akinbadbi.

The fans have opinions, doesnt mean they see the truth. oops, im in for it now I challenge anyone on planet earth to challenge me with joey, flood me with his brilliance in an explanation response?????

We know hes reasonable at tackling, and he can pass sideways, but what else does he bring to the ability playing table?

Tim isn't a qualified footballing legend but i'm sure he's entitled to relay information given to him from Craig Levein or are you saying he's a liar?

If you think i'm side stepping issues then why do you continue to not answer my question regarding Joey's ratings the fans give him each game? I'll hazard a guess he's in the top 3 highest ratings. As for Maybury as a holding midfielder, I wouldn't be able to comment until seeing him play there but I don't see the role in him personally. I think Gudjonsson plays it well, what is it that a holding midfielder needs to do that Gudjonsson doesn't do? Gudjonsson tackles well and passes the ball to other teams members, easy.

As for the Hughes and Williams statement, what I said was that these two appear not to have raised their game this season given the competition for places where as Gudjonsson has. Who will be the one dropped when everybody is fit? I'd hope it's not Gudjonsson who on merit is playing very well.

[Sir JJ Wilcox]

I doesn't matter what minute a sending off offence takes place it's still a sending off. If Hume went one on one with the keeper and was bought down in the area in the 1st minute by the keeper would this not be a sending off offence just because it was the 1st minute i think not.

[lush]

Tim isn't a qualified footballing legend but i'm sure he's entitled to relay information given to him from Craig Levein or are you saying he's a liar?

As for Maybury as a holding midfielder, I wouldn't be able to comment until seeing him play there but I don't see the role in him personally. I think Gudjonsson plays it well, what is it that a holding midfielder needs to do that Gudjonsson doesn't do? Gudjonsson tackles well and passes the ball to other teams members, easy.

As for the Hughes and Williams statement, what I said was that these two appear not to have raised their game this season given the competition for places where as Gudjonsson has. Who will be the one dropped when everybody is fit? I'd hope it's not Gudjonsson who on merit is playing very well.

Ric, your starting to worry me now. TD knows about as much of football as we do, we all know weso would replace joey if fit, its obvious, and you asking if i think Td is lieing is a ridiculous question, its just HIS opinion based on what we all know.

It doesnt take much to add up the ability maybury has to equate it to the holding role. You`d rather stand your ground (quick sand) and make out joey is more qualified.

Havnt i explained it to you...

Did you mean to say "other teams members"

Williams is no better than joey, hughes is MUCH better.

You`d hope hey hmm

[lush]

I doesn't matter what minute a sending off offence takes place it's still a sending off. If Hume went one on one with the keeper and was bought down in the area in the 1st minute by the keeper would this not be a sending off offence just because it was the 1st minute i think not.

Yes of course, but im saying maybury`s challenge wasnt red card worthy, that he got it due to the brawl being so bad. The ref had to be seen to be in control of things.

[PRIOR09]

hopefully he doesnt have a future with us, because he doesnt anything so far!

[Sir JJ Wilcox]

Well i differ in opinion lush i feel it was a certain red card and the fact being he kicked out at an opposing player which is un acceptable mate.

[lush]

Well i differ in opinion lush i feel it was a certain red card and the fact being he kicked out at an opposing player which is un acceptable mate.

Ok even if it was red card worthy, joey`s been sent off in his time. Who`d be better as the midfield holding role, maybury or joey?

[Sir JJ Wilcox]

Joey

[Ric Flair]

Ric, your starting to worry me now. TD knows about as much of football as we do, we all know weso would replace joey if fit, its obvious, and you asking if i think Td is lieing is a ridiculous question, its just HIS opinion based on what we all know.

It doesnt take much to add up the ability maybury has to equate it to the holding role. You`d rather stand your ground (quick sand) and make out joey is more qualified.

Havnt i explained it to you...

Did you mean to say "other teams members"

Williams is no better than joey, hughes is MUCH better.

You`d hope hey hmm

Why is it obvious that a 17 year old who's played 3 or 4 pre-season friendlies with the first team is guaranteed to keep Gudjonsson out of the team? It might be obvious to people like myself who have followed his progress for a number of years and saw him in these friendlies but to alot of City fans they probably haven't ever heard of Wesolowski let alone watch him. This wasn't Tim Davies opinion, it was a question raised on the phone-in a while back and in response Tim Davies had said that Craig Levein was so impressedf with James Wesolowski that he was pencilled in to be first choice over Gudjonsson, Williams, Hughes, Kisnorbo, etc and that Hughes and Williams in particular were very scared of this.

That wasn't Tim Davies opinion that was what Craig Levein had told him, nothing to do with an opinion. Whether that seems obvious to you or not I was simply making the point that Gudjonsson has raised his game when the others haven't. Last season i'd say Gudjonsson was one of the worst midfielders in the league, this season he's the opposite.

[lush]

Why is it obvious that a 17 year old who's played 3 or 4 pre-season friendlies with the first team is guaranteed to keep Gudjonsson out of the team?

Because he did so in norway, and then against celtic, he was a breath of fresh air. If fit, weso would stroll back into midfield, and joey would think himsen lucky to be on the bench.

[Ric Flair]

Because he did so in norway, and then against celtic, he was a breath of fresh air. If fit, weso would stroll back into midfield, and joey would think himsen lucky to be on the bench.

I know that penis, I have said all along that Wesolowski is one of the most talented youngsters i've ever seen and he'll walk in to our team. You are twisting my words, I said that in response to you who said it was obvious, but it's probably not that obvious to alot of fans who haven't yet seen Wesolowski.

[Hazza]

He was at LB, and we have TWO LB`s

You missed my point, it was about width going forward. As a left back you should really push forward and make runs to give central players an option out wide. I know we have 2 Leftbacks so i don't see your point there either, i'd have preferred both there to Kisnorbo but as he's supposed to be able to play there due to versatility then he should have got forward more, as Stearman did on the right.