Prisoners Allowed To Vote?

[FNQ]

But WE didnt vote them in, yet they make decisions that effect our daily lives, its ludicrous. new labour support and encourage that very idea.

I doubt you voted in the MP for Leeds South either, and he makes decisions that will effect your life..

[lush]

Well who did vote them in then?

Also, do you know who actually took us into the Common Market, as it was then, in the first place? Do you know when that happened?

The "citizens" of the other eu countries. Its not just british candidates who were elected.

We now have hundreds of foreign people voting on issues concerning THEIR own country`s wellbeing, regardless of whether its good for us OR NOT. Now theres talk of Turkey joining "us", 70 million muslims live there. Will their representavies vote according to the christian/western way of life?

We must rule ourselves for the benefit of ourselves.

[lush]

I doubt you voted in the MP for Leeds South either, and he makes decisions that will effect your life..

Oh come on, when has this mp made a huge decision on life in Leicester?

[Guest]

The "citizens" of the other eu countries. Its not just british candidates who were elected.

We now have hundreds of foreign people voting on issues concerning THEIR own country`s wellbeing, regardless of whether its good for us OR NOT. Now theres talk of Turkey joining "us", 70 million muslims live there. Will their representavies vote according to the christian/western way of life?

We must rule ourselves for the benefit of ourselves.

That doesn't answer my questions.

[Guest]

Oh come on, when has this mp made a huge decision on life in Leicester?

What Bills has this MP voted on, and which way did s/he vote? Were these Bills passed?

Does s/he sit on any committees? Is s/he a member of the Cabinet? If not a minister, are they a junior?

[lush]

That doesn't answer my questions.

I just told you, citizens of OTHER 24 eu countries, you know, france germany etc.

[lush]

What Bills has this MP voted on, and which way did s/he vote? Were these Bills passed?

Does s/he sit on any committees? Is s/he a member of the Cabinet? If not a minister, are they a junior?

Decisions this mp makes in England, are based on great (hopefully) knowledge of our society. You honestly think a mep in austria knows what lifes like in Leicester or leeds???

And another thing, mp`s would laugh collectively at even the suggestion of this vote, because WE know what a farce it is.

The reason it gets to this stage of voting in the eu cloakrooms, is because we dont get wind of it early enough to SHOUT about it.

Think about it, do you REALLY want a peadophile having a vote on our childrens society?

[Guest]

Decisions this mp makes in England, are based on great (hopefully) knowledge of our society. You honestly think a mep in austria knows what lifes like in Leicester or leeds???

And another thing, mp`s would laugh collectively at even the suggestion of this vote, because WE know what a farce it is.

The reason it gets to this stage of voting in the eu cloakrooms, is because we dont get wind of it early enough to SHOUT about it.

Think about it, do you REALLY want a peadophile having a vote on our childrens society?

Did I say I wanted prisoners to have the right to vote?

[lush]

Did I say I wanted prisoners to have the right to vote?

No, but you said it had bugger all to do with labour, but it has, they will vote for prisoners to have a vote, and my suspicions tell me they`ll be seeking those very same votes come british election time.

[Dunc]

Think about it, do you REALLY want a peadophile having a vote on our childrens society?

Think about it, do we REALLY want you to have a vote on anything?

[Dunc]

Incidentally, a point to make Mr Lush is that in all probability any criminal, paedophile or not, will have voted numerous times before they are caught. So all the people that aren't caught, how are you going to stop them voting? Its an illogical argument.

The argument comes down to human rights not tabloid style scare mongering.

[Rincewind]

So not to be accused of Lush Bashing I have placed him on my ignore list. He'll be pleased to know however that he is special in this respect. He's the only one on my list.

Just had enough of this

[FNQ]

Oh come on, when has this mp made a huge decision on life in Leicester?

In close votes (such as tuition fees) his vote could be crucial.

And has the MEP for Luxembourg made any huge decision on life in Leicester?

[Rincewind]

I think the EMP have bigger things to think about than something like uneven pavements on Belgrave Road.

They tend to deal with things on a larger scale. We don't hear of everything they do cos it is mostly to do with Europe as a whole. If you want to know about local things contact your local MP or counciler.

[Thracian]

With Human Rights comes Human Responsibility. But some folk will always be just takers.

[rossporterlc]

no question, any inprisoned person should not be allowed to vote

[cisono]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4316148.stm

Surely no prisoners should be allowed to vote whilst inprisoned? They've committed a crime, irrespective of the nature, so why should they been given the ability to have a say on how the country is being run?

I wonder if these rulings will extend to cover imprisoned people having sex with non-imprisoned partners? (US-style, I understand)

[lush]

Incidentally, a point to make Mr Lush is that in all probability any criminal, paedophile or not, will have voted numerous times before they are caught.

The argument comes down to human rights not tabloid style scare mongering.

The point is, anyone whos in prison disrespected decent society, they then therefore should not be respected by decent society in terms of a vote.

Was it a human right to steal something from another that put someone inside. I am all for human rights, to those who deserve them.

So not to be accused of Lush Bashing I have placed him on my ignore list.

Its great that you have finally done something about your behaviour.

I think the EMP have bigger things to think about than something like uneven pavements on Belgrave Road.

They tend to deal with things on a larger scale. We don't hear of everything they do cos it is mostly to do with Europe as a whole. If you want to know about local things contact your local MP or counciler.

Tell that to the victims of crime?

[Daniel]

Prisoners should be able to vote imo. It's a basic human right to have a say in who governs you.

I agree.

[cisono]

Prisoners should be able to vote imo. It's a basic human right to have a say in who governs you.

I agree.

You might agree, but you are wrong

It is a basic human right, but not an inalienable one (under the circumstances).

Freedom is also a basic human right, but this right - together with many others (being with one's family, right to work even!, to have money, to spend one's time as one sees fit, etc...) - is taken away when someone has committed a serious enough offence. It is part of the punishment. If you don't take it away, what kind of punishment is it?

Given this, then, how do you justify your statement that prisoners should be able to vote?

[TrickyTrev]

Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation not retirbution. Ofcourse they should be able to vote, they are memebrs of society whether we like it or not.

[Daniel]

Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation not retirbution. Ofcourse they should be able to vote, they are memebrs of society whether we like it or not.

Excatly. Spot on.

Cisono, how can you say im wrong? There is no right or wrong when it comes to this, it's a matter of opinion.

[Rincewind]

Let's not forget that a person is innocent until pr oven guilty. There are prisoners on remand who may lose their right to vote if found innocent. Prisoners who launch many appeals over the years before having the original verdict quashed.

Lush missed the point of an earlier post entirely. I believe he was the only one that did not see it was tongue in cheek. He ignored the part where I said prisoners should be chained up and given bread and water and misquoted my first paragraph in which i said 'Like Lush said prisoners abused society and therefore should have no rights' I then gave an example of far right racist groups fire-bombing mosques and attacking immigrants. I was saying that these people also broke the law and should suffer the same fate as all convicted criminals. Lush just quoted from 'Lush said' which gave a completely new meaning to the post. He was not bothered about people being chained up and given bread and water just bothered about himself and shown to sympathise with the actions of the above mentioned. The amazing thing was I was agreeing with him yet he still critcised my post.

Like I said I have chosen to ignore his posts so I am no longer WRONGLY accused of verbally abusing him. All I have done in this post is point out areas in his previous posts where he misinterpreted my posts.

I do not think that is abuse. If any admins thinks I have then I will leave this site voluntarily and not post here again. I am fed up of this person turning everything around to play the 'poor me, everybody hates me ' scenario.

[freund]

i couldn't care less

[davieG]

Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation not retirbution. Ofcourse they should be able to vote, they are memebrs of society whether we like it or not.

Prison by definition is retribution, as in denying people their freedom, if it were just about rehabilitation prison wouldn't be needed. It may involve some rehabilitation but punishment is the most significant part of it. In fact I'd wager that very little rehabilitation goes on in comparison to retribution, and if you were the victim of a crime I should imagine you would consider retribution to be the only part you'd be interested in.

Personally I think 'getting the vote' is a matter of opinion, but will make very little difference to those in prison or the outcome of any vote especially when the whole political set-up in this country at both National and Local level is run by politicians for the benefit of politicians and political parties and is totally devoid of integrity.

The vast majority of people in this country now recognise that they have little or no influence on how the country is run and any attempt to get the vote for prisoners is just another piece of political gerrymandering mixed with some political correctness and points scoring and has little or nothing to do with prisoners, victims or anyone else but the politicians and their cohorts.