Scow Posted 6 October 2005 Posted 6 October 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4316148.stm The European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg has ruled that banning ex-inmate John Hirst from the polls had breached his right to free elections. Following the ruling, the Lord Chancellor said British laws would be reviewed and some categories of prisoner might be allowed to vote. Surely no prisoners should be allowed to vote whilst inprisoned? They've committed a crime, irrespective of the nature, so why should they been given the ability to have a say on how the country is being run?
Benji Posted 6 October 2005 Posted 6 October 2005 well the lib dems wanted this to happen if they were to have won the election absolute nonsense if you ask me everyone has a human right until they abuse the law or take the life of someone else. To me they then lose this right and so should never be allowed a vote. i wonder if they would vote FOR making cannabis totally legal and i think this continues even when the person has finished the sentence. It's like saying to a mass murderer, here you go, we'll give you another chance if you promise not to do it again.
cisono Posted 6 October 2005 Posted 6 October 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4316148.stm Surely no prisoners should be allowed to vote whilst inprisoned? They've committed a crime, irrespective of the nature, so why should they been given the ability to have a say on how the country is being run? I agree with you: they should not be allowed to vote while they are serving a sentence. Only when they have repaid their debt to society, should they regain their rights... (including the right to vote)
Hullfox Posted 6 October 2005 Posted 6 October 2005 The other viewpoint though is that prison is there for rehabilitation purposes and excluding them completely from society will only alienate them further.
Hullfox Posted 6 October 2005 Posted 6 October 2005 The other viewpoint though is that prison is there for rehabilitation purposes and excluding them completely from society will only alienate them further. Which quite frankly is absolute bollocks in my opinion.
Steven Posted 6 October 2005 Posted 6 October 2005 The other viewpoint though is that prison is there for rehabilitation purposes and excluding them completely from society will only alienate them further. It doesn't act as a deterrent.
lush Posted 6 October 2005 Posted 6 October 2005 Yeah let prisoners vote, let murders murder more, let peadophiles rape young people more, vote new labour
FNQ Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 Prisoners should be able to vote imo. It's a basic human right to have a say in who governs you.
Rincewind Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 Talking about voting, At Mrs. Miggins' home E: Well, Mrs. Miggins, at last we can return to sanity. The hustings are over, the bunting is down, the mad hysteria is at an end. After the chaos of a general election, we can return to normal. M: Oh, has there been a general election, then, Mr. Blackadder? E: Indeed there has, Mrs. Miggins. M: Oh, well, I never heard about it. E: Well of course you didn't; you're not eligible to vote. M: Well, why not? E: Because virtually no-one is: women, peasants, (looks at Baldrick) chimpanzees (Baldrick looks behind himself, trying to see the animal), lunatics, Lords... B: That's not true -- Lord Nelson's got a vote! E: He's got a *boat*, Baldrick. Marvelous thing, democracy. Look at Manchester: population, 60,000; electoral roll, 3. M: Well, I may have the brain the size of a sultana(sp?)... E: Correct... M: ...but it hardly seems fair to me. E: Of course it's not fair -- and a damn good thing too. Give the like of Baldrick the vote and we'll be back to cavorting druids, death by stoning, and dung for dinner. B: Oh, I'm having dung for dinner tonight. M: So, who are they electing when they have these elections? E: Ah, the same old shower: fat tory landowners who get made MPs when they reach a certain weight; raving revolutionaries who think that just because they do a day's work that somehow gives them the right to get paid... Basically, it's a right old mess. Toffs at the top, plebs at the bottom, and me in the middle making a fat pile of cash out of both of them. M: Oh, you'd better watch out, Mr. Blackadder; things are bound to change. E: Not while Pitt the Elder's Prime Minister they aren't. He's about as effective as a catflap in an elephant house. As long as his feet are warm and he gets a nice cup of milky tea in the sun before his morning nap, he doesn't bother anyone until his potty needs emptying.
Guest Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 Yeah let prisoners vote, let murders murder more, let peadophiles rape young people more, vote new labour It's got bugger all to do with Labour, it's the ECHR that is behind this. I personally disagree with them. If you have committed a crime, you have shown no responsibility towards society. Why on earth should you then have any say in how society is governed? It's like asking people who hate football who they want as the next England manager.
Rincewind Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 On the other hand if somebody is given 4 years a year into a party's reign will not be ellegible to vote them out. Not all prisoners are mass murderers or child molesters, The majority are against this type of prisoner and would votye for anyone bringing in tougher sentences for them Many have families on the outside and like anyone want to look after them. Many prisoners are inside for non-violent crimes such as fraud tax evasion or even protesting against the present governments policies. The issue is not as simple and black and white as it seems.
Guest Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 On the other hand if somebody is given 4 years a year into a party's reign will not be ellegible to vote them out. Not all prisoners are mass murderers or child molesters, The majority are against this type of prisoner and would votye for anyone bringing in tougher sentences for them Many have families on the outside and like anyone want to look after them. Many prisoners are inside for non-violent crimes such as fraud tax evasion or even protesting against the present governments policies. The issue is not as simple and black and white as it seems. Actually, it's not that many at all.
lush Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 It's got bugger all to do with Labour, it's the ECHR that is behind this. And who are they, where do they get their funding from?
lush Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 People who commit crime, should DO their time, they abused society, THATS why there put away. To give them a vote on top of sky tv, pool tables, table tennis tables, sneaked in drugs, its bizare, and its the namby pamby pink ol liberals (some in high places at new lavour) who form organisational voices through the tax payer to "look after" these criminals who steal from us, murder us and break our hearts.
Guest Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 And who are they, where do they get their funding from? ECHR = European Court of Human Rights I'm assuming here, but I'd guess it's funded partly by the tax payers of the EU.
Steven Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 People who commit crime, should DO their time, they abused society, THATS why there put away. To give them a vote on top of sky tv, pool tables, table tennis tables, sneaked in drugs, its bizare, and its the namby pamby pink ol liberals (some in high places at new lavour) who form organisational voices through the tax payer to "look after" these criminals who steal from us, murder us and break our hearts. I am already envisaging scenarios where you get banned again.
Rincewind Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 Let prisoners live on bread on water I say. Chain them up all day with just a bucket to piss and shit in. Like Lush says they abused society especially those that were arrested for attacking immigrants and firebombing Mosques. Lock all criminals up and throw away the key. Even those on remand should have no rights. Punish their families as well. Don't let them have any benefits and ban their children from school. Prisoners should not be able to learn new skills inside because that would mean that they'll be able to take the jobs off the decent hard working people who have never done anything wrong. Also I'd like to see a few more prisoners accidentally fall down stairs while waiting trial in police cells. After all they are bound to be guilty and are only scum. They must be guilty of something so whats the harm in a few bruises. I could go on, but some may disagree with my more extreme proposals.
lush Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 ECHR = European Court of Human Rights I'm assuming here, but I'd guess it's funded partly by the tax payers of the EU. And you dont think new labour have huge influence in the eu? When did we, the tax payers, vote in the eu?
lush Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 Like Lush says they abused society especially those that were arrested for attacking immigrants and firebombing Mosques. Lock all criminals up and throw away the key. Even those on remand should have no rights. Punish their families as well. Don't let them have any benefits and ban their children from school. Prisoners should not be able to learn new skills inside because that would mean that they'll be able to take the jobs off the decent hard working people who have never done anything wrong. Also I'd like to see a few more prisoners accidentally fall down stairs while waiting trial in police cells. After all they are bound to be guilty and are only scum. They must be guilty of something so whats the harm in a few bruises. I could go on, but some may disagree with my more extreme proposals. When did i say that? Everyone is extreme.
Rincewind Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 You missed the first line off your quote. Let prisoners live on bread on water I say. Chain them (prisoners) up all day with just a bucket to piss and shit in. Like Lush says they (prisoners) abused society, especially those that were arrested for attacking immigrants and firebombing Mosques (also committed a crime so are classed as prisoners when in jail)
Guest Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 And you dont think new labour have huge influence in the eu? When did we, the tax payers, vote in the eu? When we had the General Election, there was also a European Parliamentary vote. Representatives of the UK (as I counted) are Conservative - 24 Labour - 19 Lib Dem - 12 UKIP - 10 Independent - 3 Green - 2 SNP - 2 Scot. Con and Unionist Party - 2 DUP - 1 Sinn Fein - 1 UUP - 1 Plaid Cymru - 1 As you can see, Labour has only 24% of the available seats. That's only 1% more than the parties not including the 'Big 3'. I'm not that clued up on EU politics, so I can't tell you how the majority lie politically, but it is safe to say that the UK is not represented by a Socialist majority.
lush Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 When we had the General Election, there was also a European Parliamentary vote. The european parliamentary vote was last year. And what about the mep`s we didnt elect? We only voted in a small number of people.
Guest Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 The european parliamentary vote was last year. And what about the mep`s we didnt elect? We only voted in a small number of people. All MEP's are voted in. There are only 78 seats allocated to the UK.
lush Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 All MEP's are voted in. But WE didnt vote them in, yet they make decisions that effect our daily lives, its ludicrous. new labour support and encourage that very idea.
Guest Posted 7 October 2005 Posted 7 October 2005 But WE didnt vote them in, yet they make decisions that effect our daily lives, its ludicrous. new labour support and encourage that very idea. Well who did vote them in then? Also, do you know who actually took us into the Common Market, as it was then, in the first place? Do you know when that happened?
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.