cisono Posted 11 October 2005 Posted 11 October 2005 Ah yes, heard that a while back, what a load of tosh. rolleyes.gif seconded Thirded
lush Posted 11 October 2005 Posted 11 October 2005 I don't believe there's the bottle to fight a civil war about anything in this country. Our own representatives have shit on us for years, got away with lies and half-truths, with every kind of deceipt with the dismantling of our identity, the disregard for our traditions and with enough more to fill this forum to overflowing. And we accept the lot, be it road humps, speed cameras, extortionate fuel charges, unfair distribution of jobs, the clandestine surrendering of our rights to Europe, the gradual erosion of all our freedoms, the disregard for people affected by crime and so on and so on. We've taken all this with no more than a limp cry of "what a shame". What on earth would it take to stir us from our comfortable armchairs?. There is no will, no organisation, no uniting cause that anyone cares enough to act on. Take a knife into school and get an award of £11,000 to compensate for the resulting expulsion. That's reality today. The lunatics have long ago taken over the asylum. And the police are helping em now cos it's their orders. Would they stand and fight for the Union Jack. Let one of em take up the challenge and answer. Not if it affected their pension or their next overtime payment in my view, but I'll stand to be corrected. In my view the cancer's been long out of control. I disagree Thrach, i believe theres a massive "army" of people in more than one camp willing to wage war. When you consider the 7/7 bombings, theres one, and the people on the far right of life, is another, and of course the marxists, and dont forget the criminal gangs. Who would our forces defend? If people stopped watching the media for "education", and learnt about the real deal themselves, we wouldnt have fascist ideology running our decent values into the ground. THERE IS a organisation out there for everyone, many, that think like them. If only they had the courage to enlighten their lives instead of just accepting whats put on the dinner table of rule. I heard about that school kid who won £11,000. he was suspendid from school for taking a knife there, and because he didnt recieve education from 2003 for a year or so, our government gave 11k of our taxes **son, take that bloody machette school tomorrow** 11k? we`ll get 100k for that. The police service amaze me, why cant they speak out when injustice is done. maybe there scared of losing their job if they do. Its that kind of police"force" that defend us from harm, no wonder harm is winning, and decent society is losing Now the weather...
Rincewind Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 There was a phone in on this subject on Heart. Funny how a story about some 'patriot' being banned from flying a flag always comes out around ST Georges day and when England are playing. There has to be a little common sense with this. I am sure that the majority of the non-white British are not bothered about the very few objections and also think it's tosh. By indicating the one objector in 100000 and making it headlines it is playing into the hands of the NF and the BNP who want the whites to get angry over this, thus giving credence when blaming non-whites for whatever problem arises. I wonder how many Asian/non-white shopkeepers sell the St Georges flag? Like they said on the radio the myth that it is racist is old hat. Twenty years ago yes, when skinheads were around spreading their evil words amongst football hooligans but most people have acquired a brain since then and don't believe all the clap-trap spouted by the NF and the BNP. On the radio they recalled a story about a farmer who received a complaint about a picture of a pig at the entrance to his farm. As well as letters of support from white people there were just as many Muslims who said a picture of a pig is not offensive to them as it is one of Gods creatures. No doubt the NF and the BNP would fail to mention this and just highlight and blow out of proportion the odd objector. Well that's my few words on the subject out of the way.
Guest Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 I never said it was. Dont be fooled by labours "socialism" tag, its not what they stand for. The real socialists within the party have little or no real say in the party anymore, and are leaving at large rate. Some of them are even leaving to join the bnp, but mainly lib dems. The purple velvet marxist labour (mandelson, livingstone and big ears clarke) are led by globalistic influence, money, greed that brings power over people. Do you actually know what Marxism is?
Rincewind Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Lisa, I'd be interested to know the names of the Labour MP's who left the party to join the BNP. If that is so then they had no business being with the Labour Party anyway whose ideals are completely opposed to everything BNP and any of the other racist organisations stand for. I cannot see 'the real socialists' joining the BNP. Now if it was Tories joining I would believe it to be possible. Lush you was quoted so this is not a direct reply to you but to Lisa's post.
Guest Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Lisa, I'd be interested to know the names of the Labour MP's who left the party to join the BNP. Far too many too mention, Hop!!!
lush Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Twenty years ago yes, when skinheads were around spreading their evil words amongst football hooligans Bit of a generalisation there about skinheads, they wernt all bad people you know. Lisa, doctrines of marx, predicting abolition of private ownership of means of production, with provision of work and subsistence for all. Who said labour mp`s
Guest Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Lisa, doctrines of marx, predicting abolition of private ownership of means of production, with provision of work and subsistence for all. Isn't copy and paste great?
Head Honcho Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Lisa, I'd be interested to know the names of the Labour MP's who left the party to join the BNP. If that is so then they had no business being with the Labour Party anyway whose ideals are completely opposed to everything BNP and any of the other racist organisations stand for. I cannot see 'the real socialists' joining the BNP. Now if it was Tories joining I would believe it to be possible. Lush you was quoted so this is not a direct reply to you but to Lisa's post. I have a problem with people who say that the BNP/NF should be banned,surely this is tampering with the Democratic process that we follow in this Country. I also find it appaling that members of the Armed Forces and our Emergency Services now have to say whether they are members of any Right Wing Organisations. Now i am not for one minute supporting these Organisations,but surely all political parties have the right to canvas for votes as much as any other? I believe it is up to the other parties to convince you not to vote for BNP/NF fairly without prejudice Not have a pop at you Kenlcfc just using your thread as a link
BenFilbert Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 what a shit country we live in. No we do not! You should feel very lucky that you were born in England. Would you prefer to live somewhere else? Really? You may say yes but i think you know that we are one of the best countries in the world.
Head Honcho Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 No we do not! You should feel very lucky that you were born in England. Would you prefer to live somewhere else? Really? You may say yes but i think you know that we are one of the best countries in the world. Yes we are i agree but that's not going to stop me from selling up and moving abroad within the next five years By then the Immigrants only here for a skive and the Dolemongers will have drainied what good is left of this once great Nation
Rincewind Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Who said labour mp`s I never said it was. Dont be fooled by labours "socialism" tag, its not what they stand for. The real socialists within the party have little or no real say in the party anymore, and are leaving at large rate. Some of them are even leaving to join the bnp
Tomassi Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 im still going to fly my england flag out the window in the world cup next year! i hate how we are not allowed to even be proud of out nation.. even though theres not a lot to be proud of. i want to emmegrate to another country but to be honest.. where??
lush Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Isn't copy and paste great? Whos paranoid now Allen, the reason its bad to be apart of democracy with the far right, is because the far left who run the show say so, and you have to put up with it or else. It is upto the English to stand up for what they believe in, regardless of whether your told its wrong. The lefties preech democracy in one breath, and force fascism in another. ken your making me laugh with this "ignore" policy of yours you just cannot help yourself but talk with me, ahh. Put me on ignore properly, mean it? Im onabout the members of labour, the REAL socialists, who have realised that A, the working class ideology they once supported is no longer registering with new labours globalisation of britain, but one of bnp ideology infact via the manufacturing industry etc which new labour are demolishing at an alarming rate, and B, that the lib dems and liberty (who the have alot in common with the bnp) aswell speak of whats right for everyday people accross the political spectrum, not just new labours globalistic visions. I have alot of time for the lib dems, i think they speak of morality. The only thing that pigs me about em, is their anti patriotic vision.
Rincewind Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 I have a problem with people who say that the BNP/NF should be banned, surely this is tampering with the Democratic process that we follow in this Country. I also find it appalling that members of the Armed Forces and our Emergency Services now have to say whether they are members of any Right Wing Organisations. Now i am not for one minute supporting these Organisations, but surely all political parties have the right to canvas for votes as much as any other? I believe it is up to the other parties to convince you not to vote for BNP/NF fairly without prejudice Not have a pop at you Kenlcfc just using your thread as a link That's OK Allen. At least you used the whole message. I don't think they should be banned as such but people should be more aware and educated as to what they stand for and capable of. They pray on the naivety and vulnerability of people. I thought members of the armed forces and police had to vow a pledge of allegiance to Queen and country? Some of those connected with the far right groups say similar things. 'I put Britain first' Britain for the British' 'Too many foreigners in this country' (a generalisation) It is not only the far right that they cannot belong to, any extremist group is banned as it will cloud their judgement when our soldiers have to slaughter their victims in lands far away. The BNP and NF use scare tactics to convince voters and often use message boards such as this to spread their gossip. You are right it is up to the other parties to convince us otherwise but all too often they are too busy slagging each other off to notice these groups. By and large I don't think we do too bad in this country. We have no hurricane, earthquake or famine. We have a health service which although could be better is not the worst. We have a pretty safe environment where we do not fear a militia force entering our home and sticking us in jail. And to think people complain about speed cameras. Hope you don't mind, I used Google spell check and it highlighted a couple of yours. (comma too close to next word)
lush Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 It is not only the far right that they cannot belong to, any extremist group is banned as it will cloud their judgement when our soldiers have to slaughter their victims in lands far away. The BNP and NF use scare tactics to convince voters and often use message boards such as this to spread their gossip. We have a pretty safe environment The extremists at new labour arnt banned. So do new labour. Just today i was hearing of a 66 year old man that knifed a 14 year old boy for making a noise outside his house. He got away with it by thw way
Head Honcho Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 That's OK Allen. At least you used the whole message. I don't think they should be banned as such but people should be more aware and educated as to what they stand for and capable of. They pray on the naivety and vulnerability of people. I thought members of the armed forces and police had to vow a pledge of allegiance to Queen and country? Some of those connected with the far right groups say similar things. 'I put Britain first' Britain for the British' 'Too many foreigners in this country' (a generalisation) It is not only the far right that they cannot belong to, any extremist group is banned as it will cloud their judgement when our soldiers have to slaughter their victims in lands far away. The BNP and NF use scare tactics to convince voters and often use message boards such as this to spread their gossip. You are right it is up to the other parties to convince us otherwise but all too often they are too busy slagging each other off to notice these groups. By and large I don't think we do too bad in this country. We have no hurricane, earthquake or famine. We have a health service which although could be better is not the worst. We have a pretty safe environment where we do not fear a militia force entering our home and sticking us in jail. And to think people complain about speed cameras. Hope you don't mind, I used Google spell check and it highlighted a couple of yours. (comma too close to next word) Punctuation was never my strong point in Skool
Head Honcho Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 The extremists at new labour arnt banned. So do new labour. Just today i was hearing of a 66 year old man that knifed a 14 year old boy for making a noise outside his house. He got away with it by thw way Grey Power-It's the future!
Rincewind Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 In some countries 14 year old boys are put in a prison cell with a 66 year old man. Civilians are shot by the army. Kidnapping is a daily occurrence. He probably got away with it cos there was a lack of evidence or the boy did not press charges. There could be a number of reasons. He may have got a warning and the matter was resolve between the parties involved thus saving the cost of it going to court. In another country the man could have been arrested tried convicted and executed on the spot. Not getting at anyone, just showing that there are many ways to look at a situation. If a newspaper story looks ridiculous and controversal I ask myself why? I wonder if there were other factors leading up to that event. That's just me. I never take things on face value. I was on a message board once (since closed down because of some of the content) and one poster was on about illegal immigrants and asylum seekers and was giving some way over the top figures. Then someone came on who worked as a asylum interviewer and gave quite different figures. He had the facts in front of him and knew them because of his job yet this one person still went on about it. He wanted to form a British Whites party yet he had problems spelling British. So I am always dubious about jumping on the bandwagon when these stories first come out. Some people believe them because they want them to be true and they fit in with their own ideology and will not budge even if the story is flawed they will just look for another angle. This is just an observation with no particular individual in mind.
Guest Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Why was i paranoid You think the world is against you, that there's an ulterior motive to everything, and you've more conspiracy theories than a JFK enthusiast?
TrickyTrev Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 I never said it was. Dont be fooled by labours "socialism" tag, its not what they stand for. The real socialists within the party have little or no real say in the party anymore, and are leaving at large rate. Some of them are even leaving to join the bnp, but mainly lib dems. The purple velvet marxist labour (mandelson, livingstone and big ears clarke) are led by globalistic influence, money, greed that brings power over people. You don't know what a marxist is.
TrickyTrev Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 Yes we are i agree but that's not going to stop me from selling up and moving abroad within the next five years By then the Immigrants only here for a skive and the Dolemongers will have drainied what good is left of this once great Nation Immigrants are the most hardworking of all social groups. FACT.
CasinoGee Posted 12 October 2005 Posted 12 October 2005 I hope you all realise that the article is a lie used to incite racial hatred by right wing biggotts.
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