Samu Posted 24 November 2004 Posted 24 November 2004 Im not really sure where I stand on the groundshare. I can understand why people are worried about losing our identity. But I'm beginning to believe that this isn't as important. It's not like we've lost Leicester City completely. With the tigers there it becomes a Leicester ground and we are all supporting Leicester as a city. I would feel proud to have the best rugby club team in Europe play at the best stadium in Leicester. 39488[/snapback] Losing your home is almost as bad as losing the whole thing. Why did we fight and give of our time and money to get through administration and preserve our identity, just to chuck it all away now! Its lunacy, and I can't believe so many people want to support this...its consumerism at its greatest. Please fight for this, otherwise something important will be lost and one day when you want it back it will be too late to complain. Find your voice! Please. 39489[/snapback] I want what is best for the football club, if the majority of fans want to fight this I will try and help (albeit difficult from China). But if we don't succeed I won't see it as us losing our football club or our home. I think in my case I see it this way because i support the Tigers as well.
Jonbluefox9 Posted 24 November 2004 Author Posted 24 November 2004 With the greatest respect to your relative but don't you think they'd be pleased that we're making steps to becoming successful and secure as a club? Do you really think they'd want to see us 'getting by' from season to season for 25 years?
SilverFox Posted 26 November 2004 Posted 26 November 2004 With the greatest respect to your relative but don't you think they'd be pleased that we're making steps to becoming successful and secure as a club? Do you really think they'd want to see us 'getting by' from season to season for 25 years? 39706[/snapback] from discussions with a high ranking LCFC official I am assured that we would and could indeed one day own the stadium if we carry on doing exactly what we are doing now. A run in the prem would make this process even quicker. This would ensure that LCFC would 100% own their home This means that any money from non sporting events would go 100% to LCFC LCFC would always own their home and it wouldn't have to be rebranded. Rebranding WILL involve removing unique elements of what makes us LCFC so that the stadium is non offensive to the tigers. I fail to see how doing this will not affect our identity and our already bored/apathetic home support. The stadium will be owned 50/50, this is a big problem if Tigers and LCFC can't agree...it means deadlock...bad thing! By signing up to this we will never have 100% it will always be 50%. I was told by this high ranking official that we will also NEVER own the stadium...only half, half the profits, half of all that is re-branded. And we won't even own that 50% for many many years...WE WILL CONTINUE TO PAY A MORTGAGE, because we don't have the money to buy our half. If we continue as we are we will one day own the stadium for ourselves...yes it will be blue and white...and no that isn't the most important thing...but it is a factor, it is important, and it has been for 120 years (as the club would for some reason like us to know this year) Its a Quick fix, and it means long term problems. You may one day want a home for LCFC, but by then it will be too late.
Guest Posted 26 November 2004 Posted 26 November 2004 from discussions with a high ranking LCFC official I am assured that we would and could indeed one day own the stadium if we carry on doing exactly what we are doing now. A run in the prem would make this process even quicker. This would ensure that LCFC would 100% own their home This means that any money from non sporting events would go 100% to LCFC LCFC would always own their home and it wouldn't have to be rebranded. Rebranding WILL involve removing unique elements of what makes us LCFC so that the stadium is non offensive to the tigers. I fail to see how doing this will not affect our identity and our already bored/apathetic home support. The stadium will be owned 50/50, this is a big problem if Tigers and LCFC can't agree...it means deadlock...bad thing! By signing up to this we will never have 100% it will always be 50%. I was told by this high ranking official that we will also NEVER own the stadium...only half, half the profits, half of all that is re-branded. And we won't even own that 50% for many many years...WE WILL CONTINUE TO PAY A MORTGAGE, because we don't have the money to buy our half. If we continue as we are we will one day own the stadium for ourselves...yes it will be blue and white...and no that isn't the most important thing...but it is a factor, it is important, and it has been for 120 years (as the club would for some reason like us to know this year) Its a Quick fix, and it means long term problems. You may one day want a home for LCFC, but by then it will be too late. 40227[/snapback] Will you please come to my place of work and explain this to the Tigers ST holder who thinks I am blind and stupid for saying exactly the same thing? According to him, we should be grateful for what the Tigers are proposing to do. According to him, we will be out of business if we don't go through with it. And more ludicrously, according to him, if we don't go through with it, we will never buy a player of Wayne Rooney's calibre. Even if we did we would lose him to the top sides. Unless we get world class players like him, we will never be promoted, apparently. He has estimated it will cost in the region of £20m to get a promotion winning team, and to stay up, well, we would bankrupt ourselves!! I have no idea where he has got his information from.
SilverFox Posted 26 November 2004 Posted 26 November 2004 from discussions with a high ranking LCFC official I am assured that we would and could indeed one day own the stadium if we carry on doing exactly what we are doing now. A run in the prem would make this process even quicker. This would ensure that LCFC would 100% own their home This means that any money from non sporting events would go 100% to LCFC LCFC would always own their home and it wouldn't have to be rebranded. Rebranding WILL involve removing unique elements of what makes us LCFC so that the stadium is non offensive to the tigers. I fail to see how doing this will not affect our identity and our already bored/apathetic home support. The stadium will be owned 50/50, this is a big problem if Tigers and LCFC can't agree...it means deadlock...bad thing! By signing up to this we will never have 100% it will always be 50%. I was told by this high ranking official that we will also NEVER own the stadium...only half, half the profits, half of all that is re-branded. And we won't even own that 50% for many many years...WE WILL CONTINUE TO PAY A MORTGAGE, because we don't have the money to buy our half. If we continue as we are we will one day own the stadium for ourselves...yes it will be blue and white...and no that isn't the most important thing...but it is a factor, it is important, and it has been for 120 years (as the club would for some reason like us to know this year) Its a Quick fix, and it means long term problems. You may one day want a home for LCFC, but by then it will be too late. 40227[/snapback] Will you please come to my place of work and explain this to the Tigers ST holder who thinks I am blind and stupid for saying exactly the same thing? According to him, we should be grateful for what the Tigers are proposing to do. According to him, we will be out of business if we don't go through with it. And more ludicrously, according to him, if we don't go through with it, we will never buy a player of Wayne Rooney's calibre. Even if we did we would lose him to the top sides. Unless we get world class players like him, we will never be promoted, apparently. He has estimated it will cost in the region of £20m to get a promotion winning team, and to stay up, well, we would bankrupt ourselves!! I have no idea where he has got his information from. 40287[/snapback] Sounds like he has grasped at figures from thin air. FACT, we have the third highest budget in this league. FACT, we won't be going into administration! FACT, we could own our own stadium one day, but will opt for a quick fix that the majority of Leicester fans don't want. Tell him you can hear an egg boiling somewhere...shouldn't he go chase it
shen Posted 26 November 2004 Posted 26 November 2004 FACT, we could own our own stadium one day, but will opt for a quick fix that the majority of Leicester fans don't want. where did u get THIS fact?
Hullfox Posted 26 November 2004 Posted 26 November 2004 With the greatest respect to your relative but don't you think they'd be pleased that we're making steps to becoming successful and secure as a club? Do you really think they'd want to see us 'getting by' from season to season for 25 years? 39706[/snapback] from discussions with a high ranking LCFC official I am assured that we would and could indeed one day own the stadium if we carry on doing exactly what we are doing now. A run in the prem would make this process even quicker. This would ensure that LCFC would 100% own their home This means that any money from non sporting events would go 100% to LCFC LCFC would always own their home and it wouldn't have to be rebranded. Rebranding WILL involve removing unique elements of what makes us LCFC so that the stadium is non offensive to the tigers. I fail to see how doing this will not affect our identity and our already bored/apathetic home support. The stadium will be owned 50/50, this is a big problem if Tigers and LCFC can't agree...it means deadlock...bad thing! By signing up to this we will never have 100% it will always be 50%. I was told by this high ranking official that we will also NEVER own the stadium...only half, half the profits, half of all that is re-branded. And we won't even own that 50% for many many years...WE WILL CONTINUE TO PAY A MORTGAGE, because we don't have the money to buy our half. If we continue as we are we will one day own the stadium for ourselves...yes it will be blue and white...and no that isn't the most important thing...but it is a factor, it is important, and it has been for 120 years (as the club would for some reason like us to know this year) Its a Quick fix, and it means long term problems. You may one day want a home for LCFC, but by then it will be too late. 40227[/snapback] from discussions with a high ranking LCFC official I am assured that we would and could indeed one day own the stadium if we carry on doing exactly what we are doing now. A run in the prem would make this process even quicker. Course we could own it one day, if the owners agree to sell it. However, if it is a fund, they could also dispose of it whenever they liked (with pre-agreed notice periods) Leicester may have a clause which allows them to buy it at a given time but this would take either borrowing or use of capital at the time at prevailing property costs. This would ensure that LCFC would 100% own their home This means that any money from non sporting events would go 100% to LCFC LCFC would always own their home and it wouldn't have to be rebranded. Rebranding WILL involve removing unique elements of what makes us LCFC so that the stadium is non offensive to the tigers. I fail to see how doing this will not affect our identity and our already bored/apathetic home support. The stadium will be owned 50/50, this is a big problem if Tigers and LCFC can't agree...it means deadlock...bad thing! LCFC would only own their own home for as long as the club's owner(s) wanted them to. They could possibly remortgage in the future to raise capital or enter into into a sale and lease back arrangement with financial institutions or even the council as many teams have done when things weren't too bright. The rebranding argument does not hold water with me. Filbert Street had seats that were Orange, Red and Grey in various places and that in itself did not stop it feeling like home. Granted it did not have pictures of Martin Johnson and Dusty Hare adorning the stairways but neither did it have Frankie Wortho and Gary Lineker either. Deadlock is no bad thing if it is to protect the city's interests, it works both ways. If the clubs cannot agree initially it won't happen anyway. If we continue as we are we will one day own the stadium for ourselves...yes it will be blue and white...and no that isn't the most important thing...but it is a factor, it is important, and it has been for 120 years (as the club would for some reason like us to know this year) How long away though is this magical day and what can and might go wrong. Ask clubs like Wrexham and Hull City how good owning your own ground is. Hull City's owner refused the team permission to use it and Wrexham's owner wants to sell theirs and not buy anywhere else. Any future potentially rogue owner of LCFC (god forbid that ever happens) would not be able to sell the ground from under our feet if the share goes ahead. Its a Quick fix, and it means long term problems. You may one day want a home for LCFC, but by then it will be too late. The same could be said for carrying on with the status quo. I'm still undecided by the way.
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