30% of clubs in the Championship are paying wages that are over 100% of total turnover..

[Mack]

How long before football realises this is unsustainable and players accept they need to rationalise their demands?

Football is in crisis.

[Daggers]

Source? Has it got data on the lower leagues too?

It continues for as long as clubs don't have to fulfil their obligations through administration and people extend them credit. HMRC should be able to crack down harder and clubs need to go to the wall. Teams need to stop rewarding 'average' and contracts should become far more performance based.

[davieG]

How long before football realises this is unsustainable and players accept they need to rationalise their demands?

Football is in crisis.

It's not the players that need to rationalise their demands it's the clubs that need to say No!

If other businesses can say no when taking on a new employees or rewarding existing ones can manage it then football clubs should be able to and if they can't they need to be compelled to by the rules regarding membership of the PL/FL etc,

The clubs have got their wish turning football into a business, remember it used to be owned by local businessmen as a hobby then they should run it like a proper well managed business or be made personally accountable.

Fans need to be told the truth, that we cannot afford certain players.

[Mack]

It's not the players that need to rationalise their demands it's the clubs that need to say No!

If other businesses can say no when taking on a new employees or rewarding existing ones can manage it then football clubs should be able to and if they can't they need to be compelled to by the rules regarding membership of the PL/FL etc,

The clubs have got their wish turning football into a business, remember it used to be owned by local businessmen as a hobby then they should run it like a proper well managed business or be made personally accountable.

Fans need to be told the truth, that we cannot afford certain players.

I don't agree.

Football clubs know that iF they say NO a rival team will say YES.

It's an entire culture that needs to change.

The source is the administrator at Portsmouth who stated the fact in a press conference.

[davieG]

I don't agree.

Football clubs know that iF they say NO a rival team will say YES.

It's an entire culture that needs to change.

The source is the administrator at Portsmouth who stated the fact in a press conference.

That happens with all businesses but clubs have to manage within their means, employees/footballers will always, quite naturally ask for more clubs need to be strong. I also added that rules should exist to force clubs to manage within their means in order to belong to a specific league.

Which has the best chance of success asking players not to demand too much or clubs being managed sensibly?

[Mack]

That happens with all businesses but clubs have to manage within their means, employees/footballers will always, quite naturally ask for more clubs need to be strong. I also added that rules should exist to force clubs to manage within their means in order to belong to a specific league.

Which has the best chance of success asking players not to demand too much or clubs being managed sensibly?

If you manage clubs by their means then the larger clubs will always be large and the small clubs will always be small.

There should be room for clubs to speculate on bettered levels of achievement but I agree it must be within a regulated framework that means clubs cant throw caution to the wind ala Ridsdale etc.

The biggest single cost for all clubs is player's wages. Players need to be educated that their demands are running the industry they earn a living from into the ground.

Biting the hand that feeds you is never wise.

[davieG]

If you manage clubs by their means then the larger clubs will always be large and the small clubs will always be small.

There should be room for clubs to speculate on bettered levels of achievement but I agree it must be within a regulated framework that means clubs cant throw caution to the wind ala Ridsdale etc.

The biggest single cost for all clubs is player's wages. Players need to be educated that their demands are running the industry they earn a living from into the ground.

Biting the hand that feeds you is never wise.

But by the same argument you use that if a club says no another will say yes why would any player accept a lower wage in the long term interests of football if he sees someone earning more it wont happen the onus has to be on the clubs to control wage levels supported by the appropriate authorities as they are in it for the long term unlike players.

[dave the caveman]

I predict a few clubs will fall in the next five years. While there's no financial incentive for the men in charge to accept the strict and difficult regularity measures that need to be put in place to avoid it, they will continue to quietly pillage the sport and simply hope that by the time the shit hits the fan it will be somebody else's shit. Biting the hand that feeds you doesn't matter so much when it's already fed you enough to live on for a thousand years.

[Leicfox]

But by the same argument you use that if a club says no another will say yes why would any player accept a lower wage in the long term interests of football if he sees someone earning more it wont happen the onus has to be on the clubs to control wage levels supported by the appropriate authorities as they are in it for the long term unlike players.

Blackpool are a prime example of this even though they got parachute payments. Self imposed wage cap. (I believe last season in the Prem they were paying just £200,000 a week in wages for the entire squad). They've lost out on more than 4 players in the transfer window because they stuck to their guns regarding wages yet their still going great in the league and cup and doing it within their means while staying financially sound.

[Mack]

I predict a few clubs will fall in the next five years. While there's no financial incentive for the men in charge to accept the strict and difficult regularity measures that need to be put in place to avoid it, they will continue to quietly pillage the sport and simply hope that by the time the shit hits the fan it will be somebody else's shit. Biting the hand that feeds you doesn't matter so much when it's already fed you enough to live on for a thousand years.

There are many sayings. The one 'Too much of a good thing can kill you' rings true for me. Players should be more accepting of a rationalisation of the wage structures in Football.

English Football is in danger of going down the same road to ruin as many other European leagues. If we carry on like this there will be a few mega rich teams and the rest will be scratching around just to survive with many disappearing altogether.

In my opinion it has to start with the players, maybe something from the PFA, they have to get the ball rolling or there will always be some lunatic willing to risk it all on a slim chance at glory, and whilst there is one there will be others trying to keep up.

[Mack]

The only 'big' club with a sustainable plan is about to chuck it out of the window....

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/EXCLUSIVE-Arsenal-set-to-smash-wage-cap-to-keep-Robin-van-Persie-and-attract-new-star-signings-article866960.html

[accessory]

The only 'big' club with a sustainable plan is about to chuck it out of the window....

http://www.mirrorfoo...icle866960.html

That plan is only "sustainable" if the gooners continue qualifying for the Champions League. If they don't, the repayments on the Emirates become harder to meet.

[fadedfox]

The documentary by Lord Sugar on football approx 6 months ago was very interesting. Most clubs in the prem lose money and in any other industry would be considered not viable as a business. Football has been living in cloud cuckoo land for a while now. Chelsea is the one to watch, I wouldnt be surprised if the owner walks away at some point, leaving them to find someone willing to bankroll their 70mill a year loses!!

[Mack]

That plan is only "sustainable" if the gooners continue qualifying for the Champions League. If they don't, the repayments on the Emirates become harder to meet.

At least it's a plan based on something tangible, rather than baseless overspending that is propped up by a wealthy benefactor.

And in fairness to them it's worked well until this season, they only have a couple of years of repayments left.