New chants and recent form

[Grey Fox]

I think Marshall's confidence stems from scoring that goal against Chelsea.

That's true, but do we know it would have lasted this long without his chant? He's said himself he likes to hear it. It must make him feel more at ease that he can try things like shoot from distance and the fans wont get on his back, because they are busy singing his song instead.

[Grey Fox]

I don't really understand why you're trying to argue ridiculous points. No, a good atmosphere in general (can be all types of songs) is a catalyst for the team to play better. If it's 'we're the left side, we're the left side...', no it's probably not the most motivating of songs but as one of a variety of songs sang one after the other it shows that the fans are really up for the game. Some chants do motivate individual players (Ben Marshall has been saying in the paper today how much his song has motivated him to play better, and how it's helped him bed in which also has a positive effect on his play), obviously, so in a way yes specific songs would have a better effect.

And the opposition would feel more overwhelmed than motivated in some situations. They can hear the chants or where it's coming from and so if their fans aren't singing but ours are they may be demotivated and therefore may not play as well. Notice I said may, stop making out that I'm making sweeping statements when I'm not. In some situations they may play better to spite the opposite fans (like I'm sure Nugent does when he gets jeered at Ipswich).

Another fine example that the crowd directly affects the way a player approaches a game.

[davieG]

That's true, but do we know it would have lasted this long without his chant? He's said himself he likes to hear it. It must make him feel more at ease that he can try things like shoot from distance and the fans wont get on his back, because they are busy singing his song instead.

I think each side has an influence on the other, Marshall scores against Chelsea, pleases the fans, the fans start/continue singing about him, his form is maintained/improves.

so you could argue that the singing helps but the players also need to earn their support by showing commitment and a decent level of form, fans wont sing for a player who doesn't 'appeal' to them except when they have a song that has been adapted/created very easily.

[m00nie]

I don't really understand why you're trying to argue ridiculous points. No, a good atmosphere in general (can be all types of songs) is a catalyst for the team to play better. If it's 'we're the left side, we're the left side...', no it's probably not the most motivating of songs but as one of a variety of songs sang one after the other it shows that the fans are really up for the game. Some chants do motivate individual players (Ben Marshall has been saying in the paper today how much his song has motivated him to play better, and how it's helped him bed in which also has a positive effect on his play), obviously, so in a way yes specific songs would have a better effect.

And the opposition would feel more overwhelmed than motivated in some situations. They can hear the chants or where it's coming from and so if their fans aren't singing but ours are they may be demotivated and therefore may not play as well. Notice I said may, stop making out that I'm making sweeping statements when I'm not. In some situations they may play better to spite the opposite fans (like I'm sure Nugent does when he gets jeered at Ipswich).

you may deem it as ridiculous but i dont.

as someone pointed out earlier our away games we sing our hearts out,( as do most travelling supporters, ) yet with not the results.

my last reply wasnt even solely directed at you so dont know why your getting your knickers in a twist

[bmt]

you may deem it as ridiculous but i dont. as someone pointed out earlier our away games we sing our hearts out,( as do most travelling supporters, ) yet with not the results. my last reply wasnt even solely directed at you so dont know why your getting your knickers in a twist

Haha okay I didn't get any knickers in a twist, I thought you were being a bit sarcastic but obviously not. If you honestly think the atmosphere can have no effect on the players that's absolutely fine, I disagree.

[Grey Fox]

so is it only specific songs that would improve things??

singing were the left side hardly seems motivating..

and why dont it spur the opposition on? they can hear the chanting also..

It's hard to tell if you are being serious or not? The players know who their own supporters are and what they are singing, they are not just machines that respond to any noise. They are human beings with emotions that can respond in different ways to positive or negative things that the crowd does.

Take as an example a local under 11's team. They have no real support other than say their Dad (or Mum) on the sidelines. Now say you were 10 years old and playing in that team. Do you think your Dad shouting how bad you were everytime you made a mistake would help you play better? Or do you think that your Dad shouting words of encouragemnet would have a better affect on you?

Now take that into our games and we (the crowd) are those Dads on the sidelines, we can either criticise or we can encourage our lads on. The best way a crowd can encourage all together is via songs. To me it's that simple.

[Grey Fox]

I think each side has an influence on the other, Marshall scores against Chelsea, pleases the fans, the fans start/continue singing about him, his form is maintained/improves.

so you could argue that the singing helps but the players also need to earn their support by showing commitment and a decent level of form, fans wont sing for a player who doesn't 'appeal' to them except when they have a song that has been adapted/created very easily.

Spot on, it is a two way thing, but that also works in reverse as well. I think we are getting close to chicken or egg territory here, but all I know is we are third in the league since these chants begun. So long may it continue as far as I’m concerned.

[m00nie]

It's hard to tell if you are being serious or not? The players know who their own supporters are and what they are singing, they are not just machines that respond to any noise. They are human beings with emotions that can respond in different ways to positive or negative things that the crowd does.

Take as an example a local under 11's team. They have no real support other than say their Dad (or Mum) on the sidelines. Now say you were 10 years old and playing in that team. Do you think your Dad shouting how bad you were everytime you made a mistake would help you play better? Or do you think that your Dad shouting words of encouragemnet would have a better affect on you?

Now take that into our games and we (the crowd) are those Dads on the sidelines, we can either criticise or we can encourage our lads on. The best way a crowd can encourage all together is via songs. To me it's that simple.

you could argue for both sides, pointing out your mistakes could help you learn, it could also effect your confindence, as praising for most things may make you lower your standards, or it could boost you..

we say booing does no good yet if the away teams do it to a player it spurs them on..

we can sing our hearts out yet still play crap and not get results either, this isnt the only time we have started singing so i cant see how you want to connect our recent good form to the singing.

[Grey Fox]

you could argue for both sides, pointing out your mistakes could help you learn, it could also effect your confindence, as praising for most things may make you lower your standards, or it could boost you..

we say booing does no good yet if the away teams do it to a player it spurs them on..

we can sing our hearts out yet still play crap and not get results either, this isnt the only time we have started singing so i cant see how you want to connect our recent good form to the singing.

We'll both never be able to prove it one way or another. So we will just have to agree to disagree. I think most people would be in the camp that encouragement helps people improve rather than settle for second best, and booing does the opposite.

It seems like you are twisting what I said a bit, maybe unintentionally or maybe on purpose? But the bit about being booed, I was referring to our own fans. The opposition fans can still have an affect, but nothing hurts more than being hurt by those that you care about. Most players expect stick from opposing fans, just not their own.

My point about Nugent was that he was affected by the crowd, in his case positively, but some may have reacted negatively to exactly the same treatment. Had he been booed by his own fans in the same way, I've no doubt his reaction would have been different.