Political correctness is not the answer

[mitchbnp]

Political correctness has gone totally nuts in this country & the only way to sort it out is vote in the BNP, we're not all knuckle scraping yobs but when scum's blowing your people up somethings gotta be done, it's not that most muslims are murder bombers but most murder bombers are muslim.

Enoch Powell was right.

[lush]

The most likely reason for his rape is complex, emotional and related to issues of inadequacy, power, domination, sexual inadequacy, upbringing, developmental behaviour.

And I quote: "I think marcus will come out more sexually frustrated and quite possibly more angry with white people than before."  You clearly imply and assert he was angry with white people before he was imprisoned .

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Hold on a minute, you admitted there was racial discrimination (before he raped her), but you dont mention that

THE MOST LIKELY REASONS AS TO WHY MARCUS RAPED THAT 14 YEAR OLD GIRL IS SEXUAL FRUSTRATION AND RACIAL MOTIVATION.

They are the facts as we know them.

He verbally, racially discriminated against the young girl, yes to do that he MUST`ve been angry with atleast one member of the white community.

How hard is it for your brain to work that out, yes a 10 year old could, why cant you.

Im getting bored with you now. Either make sense, or talk to someone else.

OR, spit the words out that you REALLY wana ask me?

[breadandcheese]

Hold on a minute, you admitted there was racial discrimination (before he raped her), but you dont mention that

THE MOST LIKELY REASONS AS TO WHY MARCUS RAPED THAT 14 YEAR OLD GIRL IS SEXUAL FRUSTRATION AND RACIAL MOTIVATION.

They are the facts as we know them.

He verbally, racially discriminated against the young girl, yes to do that he MUST`ve been angry with atleast one member of the white community.

How hard is it for your brain to work that out, yes a 10 year old could, why cant you.

Im getting bored with you now. Either make sense, or talk to someone else.

OR, spit the words out that you REALLY wana ask me?

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This is like a stuck record. Racial motivation was not his reason for committing his crime. It was a heinous crime and thank our justice system that he was imprisoned. To put something in bold does not make it fact. That is merely your distorted take on it. If I implied racial discrimination earlier, I apologise, and do not consider it so anymore after reading this online. I quote though a passage from a university course on criminal psychology (available online)

Another characteristic of many rapists is that they fail to see their crimes as real rape at all. Many of them will say their victims were willing and had even enjoyed being raped (Scully and Marolla, 1985). These rapists appear to enjoy impersonal sex as well as the feelings of power and conquest. In a later study Scully (1990) found that 45% of the rapists who were interviewed had a high acceptance of violence against women and actually believed that women like to be hit by men because it showed that the man cared for them!

This can provide some form of insight into the mind of Artry. It is probably more likely that in his sick rapist mind he thought she wanted him. His verbal racial slurs during the rape do not automatically point to him being angry with the girl or indeed white people. On TV, the internet, jokes, etc references are made to well endowed black men. It is not far for Mr Artry, to think this all part of her "pleasure". Either way, it does not differentiate Mr Artry from any other deranged rapist as you attempt to do. He is rightly locked-up. I still fail to understand how you could champion this as a case of racial prejudice.

You are right, I am bored also, as are many others on this messageboard who are bored of your constant need to provide yourself with a vitriolic platform of bigotry and prejudice.

I do not need to ask you any further questions, I have already drawn my conclusions of you, as have many others on this board.

[lush]

Racial motivation was not his reason for committing his crime . 

To put something in bold does not make it fact .  That is merely your distorted take on it.

If I implied racial discrimination earlier, I apologise, and do not consider it so anymore after reading this online . I quote though a passage from a university course on criminal psychology (available online)

This can provide some form of insight into the mind of Artry.  It is probably more likely that in his sick rapist mind he thought she wanted him .

His verbal racial slurs during the rape do not automatically point to him being angry with the girl or indeed white people .  Either way, it does not differentiate Mr Artry from any other deranged rapist as you attempt to do. He is rightly locked-up. I still fail to understand how you could champion this as a case of racial prejudice . 

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How do you seperate his racial discrimination attack, with the rape?

Its in bold so you know what im replying to

You mean when, not if

So now your changing your `facts` im loosing so much faith in you.

Quite likely he thought that she wanted him. Dont suppose it mattered after he racially abused her, and she told him she didnt like racists.

It sounds like your defending his actions again. Why is it an ok thing to verbally abuse someone racially?

It a racially motivated rape, because he racially abused a white girl as part of the attack.

[Rincewind]

I don't think there is a crime of 'racially abusive rape' The CCP would prosecute on the more serious charge which is obviously rape. Did the victim or police bring the racial abuse accusations to court? How reliable was the evidence for this crime? Would adding a charge of racial abuse have jepordised the conviction of the more serious charge of rape? Would the defense had been able to use the lesser charge as a means to reduce his sentence? Ie. , was racially abused himself recently and it affected his mind.

Rape is committed by men (in some cases women) of all nationalities, colours, creeds and race. It is a horrendous crime and should not be lessoned by citing racial hatred a reason for committing this crime. Rape is a violation of the victims mind and body which is what the support groups that help rape victims concentrate on.

Of course the attack may have been motivated by the colour of her hair or her height. Maybe she wore glasses or wearing a red dress.

[Gamesmaster]

i dont want to side with anyone here or their view, but i believe lush has educated us (in a bizare manner) that, i never knew of this footballer getting 9 years for rape (and the hearsay of racial blar blar).

lush does make a fundamental point, why wasnt we told?

hopefully breadandcheese isnt ill through this...

[breadandcheese]

Ok, I'm going to stop replying to this thread, not because I concede, but simply that I cannot believe the level of stupidity and continued deliberate attempt to misconstrue points.

At no point have I defended Mr. Artry's rape as Lush would like to make. I have simply attacked Lush's inherent belief that this attack was racially motivated. If Mr. Artry was stuck in deepest Africa where there is not a white person in sight, would he have still committed rape? The most likely answer is yes. Why, because he is a rapist. His motivation for this crime was not one of racial prejudice.

The only facts of this case we know are that it was a black man and white girl. The rest is all hear-say and unknowns from Lush. We don't know what he actually said, so you cannot write on this site making allegations about what he purportedly said. Least of all present it as fact. I believe that is what is called slander in the legal trade and defamation of character.

Gamesmaster, I am not ill, don't worry, but I do think you are foolish to listen to Lush. With regards, his fundamental point, why weren't we told? If you watch the news, most rape cases are consigned to local news items. It is only the most explosive ones that are covered at a national level. This case may have all the hallmarks for national news, may even have got a two minute slot somewhere near the back, but unless you watch the news every single minute, you will not necessarily find it. As I have said countless times, the media, to some extent is irrelevant in all this and our main concern should be centred on whether our criminal justice system works. Man rapes, man is convicted, it works as it should.

That's my last point on the matter.

[lush]

I don't think there is a crime of 'racially abusive rape' The CCP would prosecute on the more serious charge which is obviously rape. Did the victim or police bring the racial abuse accusations to court? 

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`accusations to court`? obviously not, but in any criminal act that goes to court, all reasons why the crime is committed, usually get heard.

In the day and age of anti-white racism, its shunned that anything goes public, by the liberal PC brigade. The recent 2 racial murderers is a prime example, the anti-black one gets huge media attention, and the anti-white one....doesnt.

[lush]

lush does make a fundamental point, why wasnt we told?

hopefully breadandcheese isnt ill through this...

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We wasnt told because its not good for the multi-cultural experiment.

Dont feel sorry for breadandcheese, hes alright. Use your sympathy on me, i had to put up with him

[lush]

If Mr. Artry was stuck in deepest Africa where there is not a white person in sight, would he have still committed rape? The most likely answer is yes. Why, because he is a rapist.

The only facts of this case we know are that it was a black man and white girl.  The rest is all hear-say and unknowns from Lush.  We don't know what he actually said , so you cannot write on this site making allegations about what he purportedly said.  Least of all present it as fact. I believe that is what is called slander in the legal trade and defamation of character .

why weren't we told?  If you watch the news, most rape cases are consigned to local news items.  It is only the most explosive ones that are covered at a national level.  This case may have all the hallmarks for national news, may even have got a two minute slot somewhere near the back , but unless you watch the news every single minute, you will not necessarily find it.  As I have said countless times, the media, to some extent is irrelevant in all this and our main concern should be centred on whether our criminal justice system works.  Man rapes, man is convicted, it works as it should.

That's my last point on the matter.

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You keep talking about ***IF`s*** if he did this, if he did that. How about talking about reality? I notice you didnt mention the possible scenario of IF he`d been in a `white` country to balance your `argument`. Forget if`s buts and maybe`s.

YOU admitted his racial discriminations at the start of your argument, and let it go on for hours, then you realised i had you by the bollox, and tried to squirm out of it.

When will you be done for slander

`only the most explosive ones`

BREAKING FOOKIN NEWS:

England U18 and Arsenal FC youth footballer get NINE years for rape and molestation upon a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL.

...hold on a minute, charles saying hes not gay is surely more explosive than that

GROW UP breadandcheese!!

I told you i wrote to sky news and asked them why they hadnt mentioned the story (in ANy form) and they told me it WASNT news worthy.

Listen mate, i understand your stance, i really do, but until you stop portraying marcus and the media in reality light, your avoiding the truth.

PEOPLE BELIEVE THE MEDIA, so they ARE rellevant.

[Rincewind]

' but in any criminal act that goes to court, all reasons why the crime is committed, usually get heard.'

Exactly, you are assuming that the main reason was racially motivated because the attacker was black and the victim was white. What the prosecutor presented as a reason was that the attacker was motivated to commit the rape for other reasons which were more likely to gain a conviction. The evidence for it being racially motivated was probably very very and the defence may have used this to gain an aquittal.

I think the victim will be mopre emotionly scarred by the rape than anything the rapist may have said in the heat of the moment.

[lush]

Exactly, you are assuming that the main reason was racially motivated because the attacker was black and the victim was white. What the prosecutor presented as a reason was that the attacker was motivated to commit the rape for other  reasons which were more likely to gain a conviction.

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Not assuming atall, im merely stating that because there were racial abuses from marcus (B&C admitted that), that for some reason, the courts were either not aware of them, or they wernt forthcoming to be relavent. Therefore it wasnt an issue.

It wouldnt suprise me if the girl was told by liberal multi-culturalists that it was `in her best interests`, not to say anything. That seems a real possibility when you consider the liberal multi-culturalist supported media, failed to cover it.

If only that 14 year old girl (whos most likely messed up for life) was brave enough to speak out, but i guess that possibility was measured up by our PC brigade.

[lush]

I just wana explain something about the media, that you probably know, abeit nothing to do with the subject above.

On monday evening, itv news told of desperate children living in desperate povety, in the phillapines. They ended the report telling us bluntly that in tuesdays show we could see even more horrendous pictures and stories. Whilst doing so, they showed a boy, maybe 10 or 12 years old, crying his heartout in desperate conditions.

On tuesday evening, itv news once again showed a report of these desperate children, but didnt show the boy (mentioned) until at the end of the `news` item, again explaining that in wednesdays programme, yet again another report.

1. IF this news story is SO bad, i mean SOOOOO BAD, why not show it all ASAP?

2. They USED the heartache of a desperate young boy, and others, to promote the viewing figures for the next 2 itv `news` programmes.

How the fvck can these people be taken seriously???????

When it comes to `reporting news`, it doesnt matter who is suffering, how imorale they work, its about making a £.

Upsetting millions in the WC is bad for business, but its imorale, and people suffer for it. THEY DONT CARE.

[breadandcheese]

Not assuming atall, im merely stating that because there were racial abuses from marcus (B&C admitted that), that for some reason, the courts were either not aware of them, or they wernt forthcoming to be relavent. Therefore it wasnt an issue.

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I am only replying to this thread so that no words of mine are misconstrued. Lush, I took your word for it that Mr Artry shouted racial abuse during his committing of rape, on the assumption that you had studied the case in question (rightly or wrongly). In all honesty, I do not know what he said. Suspect you don't either.

Now this really is my last point on the matter.

[lush]

I am only replying to this thread so that no words of mine are misconstrued.  Lush, I took your word for it that Mr Artry shouted racial abuse during his committing of rape, on the assumption  that you had studied the case in question (rightly or wrongly).  In all honesty, I do not know what he said.  Suspect you don't either.

Now this really is my last point on the matter.

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B&C, YOU told me of racial abuse by marcus, YOU TOLD ME.

Want proof?

[lush]

A desperate attempt to integrate Islamo-fascists perhaps?

Worth a try. A fake smile from an MP government face, alongside a unelected target, goes a long way

Blears seeks to reasure muslims

Shes working very hard

She made a mistake

**You dont know what your doing, you dont know what your doing**

[Rincewind]

I give up. There is no arguing with somebody that will not take a broader look at things and consider all possibilities. I stated more than once that maybe the abuse may not have enough evidence or may have harmed the prosecution case in some way if they made a big issue out of it. The primary crime was RAPE. I do not know what he said and thje victim would be so distraught that her memory may not have been 100% accurate. She will only carry memories of the RAPE with her for the rest of her life. Any spoken abuse would be her words verus his and the defence would use this.

This is my last post on this issue.

[lush]

The primary crime was RAPE. 

I do not know what he said and thje victim would be so distraught that her memory may not have been 100% accurate. She will only carry memories of the RAPE  with her for the rest of her life.

Any spoken abuse would be her words verus his and the defence would use this.

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I agree, the primary crime was rape, BUT....there is a possibility that marcus raped this girl via racial reasons, the racial comments provide that possibility.

How do you know she wont carry other memories than just the rape?

Absolutely, whatever audio occured is hearsay.

[lush]

When it comes to `reporting news`, it doesnt matter who is suffering, how imorale they work, its about making a £.

Upsetting millions in the WC is bad for business, but its imorale, and people suffer for it. THEY DONT CARE.

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I was just about to switch my pc off, when the sky news sports presenter started talking about football, so i tuned in.

He started with liverpools game at CSKA Sofia, and how there were racial abuse surrounding the match (oh no, not again).

By the time the end of the report had finished, i thought to myself, why wasnt the racial abuse reported?

Why indeed. As i pointed out last night (and probably again in the future) the media have an agenda. Its not to provide you with cold hard facts, its not to provide you with totall morality, their there to inforce their ideology, usually meaning money, and what better way to make the public feel sorry for them, than to describe evil.

Only this time, they failed miserably, because someone told you that they lie.

Checkout the story wherever possible, because on sky sports news and teletext right now, theres no mention of their false claim, just the wonderfull liverpool win.